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1 hour ago, astralprojection said:
damn, that was nice!! he is really good at truly remixing an artists style I must say. He did very well with Hallucinogen too, even if that wasnt really a remix, it kinda was.
edit: except i didnt think the 303 fit at all. but other than that it is really good.
maybe that because he's he is good technically but usually just making boring empty track that don't have much style of their own, so the original style shines through in every remix.
agreed. the acidline was better in the original.
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3 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:
Btw this got me curious, so on your DAW's mixer, do you have several channels for each note of the bassline? Or do you route them all to a group channel/bus?
i have one channel per note of the bassline (sometimes plus extra-channels for notes overlapping with the kick) all routed to one bass bus, which is then routed to the knb bus.
1 hour ago, recursion loop said:For these I somehow manage to get by with just one synth channel, using broadband cuts and boosts and trying to find a phase sweet spot so that the phase wouldn't be completely off at any of the notes. Filter keytracking also helps getting consistent sound across different notes.
i often do a boost at the second harmonic and a cut at the fifth on the bassline. if the notes change these eq bands are off and the sound isn't as clean. thanks for mentioning keytracking. i haven't really thought about that before for the bassline.
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2 hours ago, recursion loop said:
In this case I'd be afraid of potential phase issues. Maybe it's manageable but for me it's easier just to bounce few bassline notes with their own processing chains.
not only phase issues. but it'd be a lot more work and much more prone to error. even when doing a typical "jumpy" fullon bassline that doesn't change with the chords i use 3-4 channels with different eq for each note. that'd be pretty much impossible with automation.
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8 hours ago, recursion loop said:
Doesn't it actually depend on the chord progression itself? I think a harmonic minor progression, especially with some chromatic elements like a diminished 5th will sound anything but cheesy (like some SA twillight for example)
I also think the progressive from that period sounded more diverse and overall more interesting than today, the albums like Andromeda - Sensations, Vibrasphere - Archipelago, Suntree - Inside, Freq - Strange Attractors, E-Clip - Shuma - they don't have much in common except lower bpm and overall less intense sound but something sets them apart from modern cookie-cutter prog.
5 hours ago, astralprojection said:Ah yes the electric universe style. I too find that to be a little over the top. Just have the bassline on the fundamental and jump around a bit.. Why shift the entire bassline each time
(silicon sound for example did this masterfully)
But sometimes it works out great, so I won't say it's bad or anything. Peak for example. Albeit that's also one of my favorite cheese examples.. :p
i was coming from freetekno back than. if you're used to having just a fat kick playing at 180bpm with a few weird sounds on top you have a different perspective. my cheese threshold was way lower back then.
i was at the time looking for sound like talamasca - leo, but music like astrix - day dream was fresh and new and played everywhere. for most tracks i liked the first half but couldn't stand the climax at the end
nowadays i have no problem with electric universe - peak (though it's still not among my favourites), but i would have hated it then
i do agree on that point about progressive. just listened to the sensations album the other day and it's really a gem. most new progressive doesn't come close.
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On 7/25/2020 at 12:38 PM, Oopie said:
Tracks such as 'Atmos - The Only Process',
maybe it's going back into fashion soon. at least there's a recent remix of it that captures the essence of the track pretty well (even though it's from captain hook).
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15 minutes ago, astralprojection said:
The fullon sound in the early 2000s. Which is ironic cause that's what I used to diss back in the day.
But stuff like
From 2002. I don't know where I can find something modern that is similar to this.
that track is in the playlist currently running in my car
i started out a little later, so i only dissed the sort of fullon that had basslines changing according to the chord progression, thinking it was way too cheesy for psy. little did i know what we were going to see from electro sun and the like a few years later
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two new tracks are also up. quite different from old chi-a.d. but somehow still with the same spirit.
production wise they do sound a little like new ux, but where ux gives us industrial influence, hannah gives us something floaty and melodic.
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1 hour ago, fluorosis said:
Anyway, enough pre-amble... here, for your laughter and amusement, my attempts at trance... (is there any preferred way of posting audio files? i just put it on mega here...)
thanks for putting that effort into this. and i must say it does sound better than my first attempts at making goa trance.
i especially like the second one. nice melodies and groove there in the beginning. reminds me of early 2000 progressive. though for me the bassline (/progression) really seemd to want to go back up to the "root" after two bars.
the first one almost sounded jazzy (wasn't there are thread about jazz influenced psytrance somwhere on the forum?). this one lives on the border of what can be called psytrance imho. but i guess it would work fine as a downtempo psy track.
the third one got dissonant fast (as recursion already said, there was dissonance in every one of them).
anyway, it's nice to hear a new perspective and i can understand your point better now.
btw: for that minimal offbeat sound check out some releases by panzar productionz. though sadly they seem to focus more on hard knb rather than musical aspect of the sound in the early 00s. rtp probably is the most knowledgable about their best releases.
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i've finally found a captain hook that that i like.
nice modern production and true to the original without any bullshit.
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really nice track! cosmic sound is always appreciated.
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1 hour ago, fluorosis said:
I'll note that no one said "epic progression from some sort of prog rock track" except you, so that's your challenge, lol...
Mine is to utilize multi-part harmony without resulting in a cheese fest, as you put it, right?
Ok, I'll try. It will probably take me a long time. I'll update you with my likely sorry results and you can judge if the implementation was bad or if the idea was simply a non-starter from the get-go.
cool, it will be interesting at the very least.
it seems recursion loop is right and the only answer to "what are you missing in psytrance" is to make that music yourself
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15 minutes ago, Multi-Media said:
Progressive Death/Doommetal mixed with Psytrance could be interesting
As long it does not just put a beat and some 303 "under" the metal I recon...i did try to steal from tool too but failed in the same way. even when using the general idea of the gorgeous melody from lateralus as a guide it ultimately sounded too happy and cheesy.
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26 minutes ago, Tsotsi said:
Most engagement we have had for a while, I'd keep this thread running
this thread is even marked as "hot" with an orange bar. i think i've never seen that before.
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12 minutes ago, astralprojection said:
ive been stuck in a vortex for ages it seems, sorry astral buddy theres no way out : ( those people you see that did escape it had to probably sell their soul or something.
agreed. i had to sell my soul to psytrance to advance and now be able to step to the stars. it was a hard decision but ultimately worth it
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1 hour ago, RTP said:
Cases rising here in Europe too though ... people coming home from "Ballermann" bringing the sickness - a "Summer Ischgl"...
But actually, believing what experts say - that you have not much immunity and are immune only for a short time - the re-infection or "coming in contact with the virus again" can MAYBE even have a good side: when the virus is not completely gone but the body encounters it still (in sub-sickening concnetrations), the defenses maybe remmber the virus longer and will not entirely stop the antibody production, thus maybe resulting in greater resistency or even immunity when the virus returns "big time" in winter...?
sadly, people are really getting careless now (i also understand it a little. i too want this shit to be over and finally go to parties again). right where i work we are austria's hotspot now. and almost daily people are coming in to ask for directions to the corona test station…
that's a definite possibility (just to be clear, the virus has to be gone from the body, but the immune system does keep some memory even if it's not enough for complete immunity). with some other coronaviruses you can get infected by exactly the same virus again after a year or two. maybe the only reason they aren't as serious as covid-19 is that we all have aquired a bit of immunity because everyone has already come in contact with them as children? who knows?
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On 7/13/2020 at 11:11 PM, fluorosis said:
but no, I'm no producer nor musician... just a picky whinger who likes to babble on and on about topics I know fuck-all about... that's why I like forums, lol.
damn, i wanted to challenge you to make a psy track that actually sounds good and uses an epic progression from some sort of prog rock track
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ah, then i'm sorry. i misunderstood and though you were arguing for the op's point of view. so we agree that a kick drum and some weird sounds can be enough to make a classic that stands the test of time?
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On 7/13/2020 at 11:17 PM, fluorosis said:
? as far as I can remember, for a techno track to be remixed outside of it's original release frame/promo campaign there's typically a signature melody...
which techno tracks that don't have signature melodies, riffs, hooks, of some kind get remixed a decade later?
I'll grant you that a vocal hook or rhyme or rap will suffice, like that insipid "they don't know what is what, they just strut, what the fuck" track...
I don't understand how this refutes the videos point that one needs something musically iconic as content for a remix.
ones' kick drum isn't sufficient material for a remix, or maybe I'm missing out on something major here?
the thing about remixes is a red herring imho. if a track still rocks the danceflor unlike most other and gets the new generation asking for the title of "that great track" 20-30 years later, even though the original obviously doesn't conform to modern production standards, that's more of a testimony to its iconic nature than any remixes. i know a few tracks from the 90s or early 00s that still get praise at freeparties newadays and tick those boxes, but wouldn't satify the criteria of you or the op for containing signature melodies or hooks.
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3 hours ago, fluorosis said:
I think I can be a bit more helpful.
Psytrance is missing "HARMONY".We have melodies. That's only a single note at a time, plus a more-or-less droning bassline. People occasionally get jiggy with the bassline, but I will readily acknowledge that rapid chord progressions in which the bassline changes tonic notes all the time can be nauseating at times, rather like an airplane changing altitude a lot and often.
What is missing are harmony lines that go WITH that melody and imply the richer harmonic world of chords and, well, harmonies. It's common for choral works to be written with 4 parts of harmony, for example. We occasionally get accidental harmonies as the melody/lead sound may have a delay effect and we hear the leftover results of one note trailing over the next note(s).
We occasionally get *real* harmony, with a background pad sound playing gated chords, for example, but I miss richer chord options than the simple major/minor diatonic triads, like 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, suspended 2nds/4ths, secondary dominants, tritone substitution, etc. Getting beyond the basics to the deeper more complex emotions, etc.
I'm missing richer harmony. That would take trance beyond Goa trance, in my book, which is where it needs to eventually go, in my opinion.
you do not produce psy i suppose?
once you go in with all these rich chords, progressions and concepts that work for old music and bring it into electronic dance music you almost inevitably end up with an ultra-cringey cheesefest.
i've had the same idea a while back and wanted to bring some of the magic that i know from my prog rock background into psy and the results have all been despicably bad.
the only way i've found to do harmony in a tasteful way in our context is to use sublety. lots of it. if you want to hint at a chord, you might for instance use an arp-like melody and play the chord defining note a single time in a whole bar, you might as you mention use delay, you might use a reverb tail of a heavily filtered note, you might use the resonance of your filter to emphasize a particular frequency while playing the root note, you might use a pad that uses a waveform that emphasises a particular overtone…
if you want to go deeper and more complex and don't want to risk ending up with unlistenable shit, you go deeper and more complex with sound design.
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the whole point of the op can be easily refuted with a single word:
Techno.
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3 hours ago, Multi-Media said:
How much do you guys work on music btw.? And how long does it take to complete a song (or track?)
about three evenings per week. and 1-2 months.
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28 minutes ago, Multi-Media said:
That Sillicon Sound track was one of my faves years ago, but also due to my Blade Runner obsession, did not age so well.... Interesting that Talamasca and E.Universe count also (now?) in the full-on department, did not know that. Guess their early stuff was just named goa for us
both talamasca and eu started out with goa, but switched to fullon pretty early.
talamasca's beyond the mask is pure goa, musica divinorum is something i'd count as early fullon (not quite fullon as we know it but leading up to it), and zodiac is a almost a genre defining fullon album imho. that might also be because it was my introduction to fullon
. too bad talamasca has turned to making predictable cheese soon afterwards.
electric universe did make goa up to the unify album, but cosmic experience is a fullon classic, especially with tracks like the prayer and morning star.
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9 minutes ago, RTP said:
In a thread at the InVision Community they suggest it's due to an automatic trigger which resolution your desktop has - if too low, the board will go into the mobile version.
Is the browser window maximized? If yes, can you try to set your resolution higher?
Super odd though that it works with one browser and with the other not...that's all I could find: https://invisioncommunity.com/forums/topic/405727-desktop-browser-stuck-in-mobile-view-in-ips-forums/
thanks. the hamburger menu disappeared when i maximised it (though i don't get why it would switch to mobile when it's already a large window that covers 80% of the screen at 2560x1600).
ah, i just found it. i just tried manually setting the page zoom to 100% for psynews and now it looks normal again. i have no idea why it only display it zoomed way in for the last week, but i hope it's solved now that i set it to be at 100% all the time. thanks again.
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41 minutes ago, Veracohr said:
Sorry, but I can't see an option to change it TO the mobile version on my laptop, so I can't figure out how to change it back. I would assume the forum detects the operating system and chooses mobile/desktop for you, so it's pretty weird if its choosing the wrong one.
What browser are you using?
safari 13.1 on mac os 10.14.6.
neither do i see an option to choose the version. i did not change anything recently, so i also suspect the forum software to make the mistake here.
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i still do it with basslines with octave jumps at 150 bpm