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LOL @ dexter. I think it does not take much to piss this guy off. About putting it hars way: Yep, I guess I as much wanted to see how people react as to start discussion. You're right, psyfi.co.uk, there's more than sad and angry, but those were just examples.

Yep I like lot of Hallucinogen. Etnica not that much, I heard their one album, was it juggling alchemist or alien protein, and did not like it. It was a long time ago, so I can't really tell if I like it or not. Maybe I'll check that when I have time.

Fuck it. You're right. This discussion is pointless. I have grown out of psy music and some of you have just met it. It is facinating at first but in the end it's very easy and obivous. With some exceptions of course. My opinion from D5 is very far from yours, in fact I could put it as an example of extremely clicheish and totally personless goa. They have one decent song though as I remember, Harmonic Convergence, but I have heard the rest of their work and it's really nothing to write home about. I've heard it before, filter sweeped looping synth lines on analog bass with straight bd and extremely simple beat. Not single rythm, singature or key change, no real harmonic structure, simple melodies, predictable breakdowns after predictable biuld-ups. Some good song intros maybe, but very very clicheish and obivous music. But maybe just not my piece of cake. btw. I just noticed: "emotions are embedded in artists' creations. Its up to you to unravel them and understand them" um, yes, but it does not mean that artist always succeeds in putting them in a form that is reachable. And not always, it's very common that artists don't make emotional artwork but intellectual that is not meant to give you a feeling or experience but make you think, or then very more common that artists make artwork just to get status and respect or money, or just because they think it's cool to be an artist or what the art represents is cool. Not because they would have unresistable urge to deliver what's put in their heads to experiencable form. In case of goa I think it's very often about people wanting status, to be someone, or then just think that goa culture is cool and they want to make that blub-blub-bass too, or whatever they do. But lack of musical training and/or understanding and/or experience often makes their work very amateurish and naive and simple. They just put 12 layers on each other with fucking lots of echo and filter sweeps and think they created something musical. No. The layers aren't interacting and reveals that composer really had no purpose of making a song, he just wanted to put something together. But maybe it's the case in almost all popular music, so maybe I'll just shuddup.

classics that are worth of listening: Pleiadians, for some tracks Hallucinogen Tandu - Multimoods Juno Reactor - Shango, at least Not-so-good classics: Astral Projection MFG Atmos Hux Flux 1200 mics to name but a few should be classics: Odd Harmonic - Coincidentalism Texas Faggott!

No I'm not. Of course there can always be exceptions. I am speaking generally. This thread was inspired by a post made by someone in this forum who said that goa has always been about emotions. Goa started as hippies tripping music at Goa beaches. So it was originally about uplift acid heads. Psy is boring 'cause it's repeative and monotonic and unmusical. I said I like some parts of Delta music, but I as I remember send-in-send-back had like 2 songs that was good enough to listen from beginning to end, other ones were just too boring. And when you have heard them five times you're through the two too. And I could not care less what was the first music human mind produced, it does support any point made here. It might be that groove makes you feel happy, most people listen mostly to rythm in music, dismissing the melodic and harmonic content. You can party to rythm, but goa and psy and so generally has pretty simple rythms in it, and you sure cannot deliver any emotional content with drumloops, just groove and energy. Yup I did start a bit rough, but I got thigs going, didn't I ? No I did not generalize all kinds of music, just goa trance was the original subject. Classical makes me feel strongly too sometimes, and it's sure some music, including especially goa, can rise your serotonine levels. I know a guy that was addicted to goa, listened to all night long, and his life was all messed up. I think he missed some rational approach to music.

I don't want it to make me sad, but express sadness, like you can emphatize with music, feel it's sadness without actually being sad. Like you emphatize with people, you see someone is sad and understand her sadness but really aren't sad yourself. You see? You can't emphaztize with goa. Goa just makes you feel good, at it's best that is.

I like some goa. I like it. But it's not emotional, although it can make you happy. Ok, It has happy-emotion. What else?

This is an interesting statement: "Stick an E up your ass and go listen to Armin van Buuren if you want strong emotions lamehead." I've never done E but what I've heard from friends is that on E even straight kick drum will sound spuer cool. So no thanks, I wont wash my brain. Many of you seem to think I don't like goa music. Well, I do. But I have noticed that it is not very versatile, countless songs about same thing, trippy euphoria. Then of course there's this music that got a label "psy" on it which is then altogether different thing and is like speedy groovy darkish music like Delta, and I agree Delta had some moments, but it's still just psy, and it's pretty boring. But as I see it goa and psy music has too simple melodies and too simple harmonic structure, it's flat. Very flat. It almost never surprises me, although I do enjoy some tracks like Pleiadians Modulation or some Hallucinogen or so, but all the time the tracks that I call good tracks are less likely to be goa track. Maybe I've just grown out of copy-paste music. Not that all of goa would be like that, but there's so much crap around, and generally it is loop-based music, so it's not very interesting. And when it comes to understanding music, I think that you can understand genres, or you can understand music. OR other way around: you can liseten to musical piece from genre-point of view, or from generally musical point of view, and from musical point of view goa trance has little to offer. No matter how many weird sounds one can put to a song, it won't make it good song. They must be put in right context, and in goa weird sounds are generally just thrown in the soup to make it sound like it was not so dull music or used very predictable way in transitions or so. w0p please explain why you laughed. Or did you laugh to just that sentence because it seems funny when it is taken out of rest of the post that would specify what lies inside it's provocative frontend.

Hmm the delta is dark and spooky, yes. But mostly it is an example of this groovy style of making darker beats than original goa was, and is really not for delivering emotions, although it has some orchestral parts that are beautiful and stuff, but as I remember there was a reason for me not to listen to it for a couple of years, propably because of it's mototonic housish nature. It has quality spices but the bread is just as dry as any other. At this point I must say that I really don't clearly remember this album, so maybe I'll re-check it. And please describe more how goa music delivers emotions to you. DP: "There are countless goa/psy/chill tracks that can stir emotions with me... Stuff that teleports me elsewhere - or stuff that insantly lifts my spirits if I've had a bad day... Especially older, melodic stuff have that effect on me..." That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's what it's about. But some other feelings? Like feelings of joy? Feelings of depression? Feelings of sadness? Lonelyness? Mania like coffee overdose? All kinds of hatred and love? No. Someone could say there's love in the goa tracks, and I would agree, and maybe some other feelings too, but the main purpose of this music is not to deliver feeligs, and every attempt to do so fails, because this music is made for giving you a lift, or if you prefer to call all the music this forum is about goa, then it could make you shake your leg or move your butt, but not to really feel anything. And what's more many goa artists are relly musically pretty immature and make very simple and naive music, which degenerates the genre at it's part. But that's another discussion. btw I had this Tim Schuldt track for some time ago in Catcher collection which I sold because it was a bad double album. It's simple and very typical goa track, and I don't like it. Just trying to be cool. The Muses Rapt - Spiritual Healing is amateurish and boring. Very weak album in every way. lumpi: I have been aware of goa music like 8-9 years or so and really am not any die hard-fan. There's just some tracks I listen nowadays, because most of releases of all time are same crap in different package, like hollywood movies. Most old tracks are so naive and simple that it makes me think of eighties popular culture, and the current situation of theis music is that everyone copycats everyone and no-one tries to make anything new because it's not about self-expression but making some bumping groove or uplifting vibe with same receipt than everyone else.

Gnome's agressive response reveals that he felt that I'm somehow right but wants not admit it because he's a cool goa-head who gets the music. I did not say it does not serve it's purpose to get the party on and uplift people. I'm just saying it does not really deliver any emotions. It is designed to make you feel good like all trance party music, and all trance music has very narrow and flat expression of emotions. I agree that some goa tracks really do the trick and get you really uplifted, but amotions? no no no....

Thak you, and please describe how it makes you feel. Other than "it makes my head feel like a frisbee" or "it makes my mind bend to spirals" or some other bs like that, which just says that you really don't know what's happening in your head. I know already that most of you don't know what's happening in your head when you listen to goa. And this was not reply to Cinos' post but general add-on.

All goa tracks has the same goal: to bring on an euphoric feeling to those stupid acid-heads and people like that. All the same, to build up a party hype stronger and stronger. It's goal, in the end, is pretty simple, and despite some goa tracks have some interesting structures they just mean nothing. It's party music, party music does not deliver feelings. How could anyone party with a music that makes you sad or angry? Some goa music can also have a goal to produce interesting unusual sounscapes, but they too serve the same objective to put people more and more into party-mode. So Goa music is NOT emotional music, that's just bullshit. If you can't get any emotions out of any other music you just are emotionally disabled, blinded by the goa drug, or unreachable for the emotions in the music, in other words non-musical person, and then you should not judge any music 'cause you're a musical idiot. Give me an example of goa track that delivers emotions to you.

I heard Pleiadians are going to release 17 new albums next year and Hallucinogen is working on CD-R record that includes all the music he has made during last 169 years in his previous and this life. It also includes an XXX movie done in collaboration with Miranda on Infected Mushrooms.

Try "Rihmasto" if you can find it. http://www.rihmasto.com/ Cool stuff. Actually I don't think anything like shpongle should be called ambient, because it's not what it is. Ambient is very experiemental, almost all so called "psy-ambient" is a form of shpongle-wannabe project.