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    Whyat do you think about Discovery Pro softsynth?

    in Music Making and Production/Industry

    Posted

    Massive is a fine synth and especially good for psy, I use it all the time, but it doesn't do FM.


    I downloaded the demo, and it indeed sounds very tasty, that mid-00's full-on signature sound which I love. No other my synth sounds exactly like it, I think I'll grab it while it's on sale.


    The GUI is kinda confusing though, It seems that they compromised usability for the sake of following the workflow of the hardware prototype. It took me quite a while to figure out how to assign LFO to pitch and cutoff, and once I enabled the unison I failed to find how to disable it.

    What exactly is "progressive psytrance"

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Here is a nice playlist made by our own Ormion titled Introduction to Psytrance :

     

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF6FEA169E0E5EED6

     

    And if you scroll down a bit in the General Paytrance section, you'll find Psytrance in its entirety thread which has a pdf - All thanks to the efforts of LightForce and guys.

     

    Hope this helps :)

    Thank you! I already saw this "psytrance in its entirety" thread - it helped me to understand what is psycore, what is darkpsy and what is forest psy (I don't like ether of them but at least now I know that they all are different :) ) and it also has lots of cool graphics ;) I will investigate this thread further.

    What exactly is "progressive psytrance"

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    i'd rather say that it's psytrance with a different structure. it's focused more on rhytm and groove and changes "one element at the time" (you know... the track "progresses" slowly instead of going from climax to climax like in fullon). that gives it a psyprog (=progressive psytrance) track and slow and coherent impression instead of being more unpredictable with quick changes like the other subgenres of psy. once you're in the groove it just keeps going instead of transitioning to something completely different by two buildups and one break that only lasts one measure.

     

    whilte it's true that a lot of progressive is slower, uses different bassline patterns, is more minimal and often has influences from house/techno/trance/.... none of these are imo defining features. it's all in the structure (but one could argue that the structure is borrowed from techno…).

     

    so from the examples above the former three are progressive while the last one is fullon.

    Interesting... Things are even more complicated now :) It seems that people are categorizing music according to the elements which are most important for them personally (song structure, degree of psychedelity - does such a word exist? - etc). I for one love melodies and lush spacey sound (like Digicult, Protoculture etc), and I used to divide all psytrance into "melodic psy" and "night/dark psy", untill I learned that "night psy" and "dark psy" are not the same thing and darkpsy is not exactly dark.

     

    Actually, the question first arose when I saw one of my own tracks, which I had categorized as "full-on", tagged somewhere as "progressive". This track is full-on according to me (145 bpm, rolling bassline) and accoridng to Padmapani (goes from climax to climax instead of slowly progressing), and progressive accoridng to Ormion (has lots of normal trance elements, a cheesy melody, supersaws etc).

     

    Well, probably with the exception of the genre-defining acts or paint-by-number music, all these tags and subgenres don't make much sence. :)

    Tandavista? I wrote it down but not correct spelling

    in Lost Tracks

    Posted

    "Ksolntsu" means "towards the sun". Actually, it should be "tanets sveta" and "k solntsu" if transliterated according to the rules, no surprise google translator fails.

     

    "Da budet" is "let there be", "Na ve ka" - "for ages" (supposedly), "aura leta" - "the aura of summer", "Bezdne Vselennoy" - "for the abyss of the universe", "Iskry Sveteal" - "sparks of light" (supposedly). "Gde Nivy Shchebechut" - "where the the fields are chirping" (some of these titles are transliterated really weird).

     

    Psykovsky is a portmanteau of "psy" and "Tchaikovsky", but this should be self-evident ;)

    What exactly is "progressive psytrance"

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    But the music like Intersys, Eletcro Sun, Perplex etc (145 bpm trance with corny vocals and happy melodies), is not "psyprog" but rather belongs to full-on, right? (though I'm not sure if it belongs to psytrance at all).

     

    Sorry for being so anal about the terms, I'm trying to wrap my head aroung all these subgenres - there are tons of new releases, I need to know how and where I could potentially find the music I may like.

    Twilight these days

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

     

     

    This is twillight psy? Would never think that, I had the impression that "twillight" means something much more agressive and twisted and much less melodious. Actually, I quite liked this set (but for the overall sameness and some corny vocal samples).

     

    Well, I have to admit that I'm totally confused about psy subgenres.

    What exactly is "progressive psytrance"

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Curious, what does "progressive psy" mean. I've basically heard two different definitions of this term

     

    1. Anything 4 on the floor below 140 bpm (typically around 134-137), with "groovy" basslines (as opposed to "running" full-on bassline). May be mellow or harsh, euphoric or dark, melodic or relying solely on grooves and effects

     

    2. A kind of psy which incorporates lots of "normal trance" and/or deep house elements, aerial and euphoric or at least not very dark, usually more or less melodic and, generally speaking, accessible to non-psy people, the bpm doesnt matter.

     

    Which one seems to be more correct?

     

    In other words, this is undoubtedly "progressive psy", isn't it?

     

     

     

    And what about this?

     

     

     

    The last two examples are, at least, faster than 140 (142-145 I think), and have a "full-onish" kind of bassline, but are distinctively melodious and not very harsh or twisted.

     

    Also, are "progressive psytrance" and "psyprog" the same thing, or there are some further subtleties here?

    your favourite artist names

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

     

    Kindanza (Comes from the totally wierd futuristic Russian film Kinzaza)

     

    They both are "Kindzadza".

     

    Btw, the Kin-dza-dza film was not just a "weird futuristic movie", it had and sill has enormously huge cultural impact on Russian people. Also the aesthetic of this movie is strangely similar to the overall feel of the Kindzadza music, so this is a really clever name choice.

    Solid Progressive Label?

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

     

    This reminds me on Talamasca's "Psychedelic trance" album - pop/dance music containing a tiny bit of "psy-like" elements. I actually can imagine myself listening to it while driving a car or doing some shit that that requires a rhytimic background. Sill, I've heard much worse songs, just don't call it psy and everything should be OK :)

    Solid Progressive Label?

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Indeed, Iono always sounds like Iono and Tesseract always sounds like Tesseract, this may be good or bad thing depending on what you are after.


    Some of my all time favourite prog records are from Iono, but they usually have one or two killer tracks per 10 track compilation, where the rest of the stuff sounds like insanely long inro/outro to these awesome moments. As for Tesseract, I was pretty excited when I discovered Nerso, Flegma, Vertex and the other guys (I love this kind of melodic aerial psy) but having listened to more their works I quickly got dissapointed because I'm not sure if they can themselves tell one their track from another . Relativ and the first album by Lyctum are the standouts for me (the Lyctum's second is meh though), also Talpa/The Riddler is something different but not my thing.


    Btw, why does everyone hate Neelix? I know only one their track (Smoke and Mirrors), it's nothing outstanding but, imo, is no worse than a typical "Ionish" track.

    Solid Progressive Label?

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    tesseract and iono

    releasing tons of stuff daily, most of which sounds the same and quite boring, imo.

     

    Psyprog seems to be the easiest psy to make, from the technical point of view, and therefore many psyprog acts do their stuff just because they can, without putting any emotion into their music. That's not me hating the whole subgenre (I actually love psyprog when it is really well made, like some stuff N.O.K., Static Movement & Impact, Andromeda, Relativ and many, many more), but I'm kinda tired to go through the new releases just to find out the same stabs and squelches over the same monotonous beats

    New Psynews Contest

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Yes, Cybernetica's track is really good, but at least some others are also more than decent. Seems that most tracks are on darker side of psy though, which is not my cup of tea, but at least the production quality is really high.

     

    Btw, didn't I make a mistake by submitting an unmastered track? Mine is much quieter than the others, is feels like most of the tracks here at least have been processed with a limiter or something to boost up the sound, this may influence the listeners.

    New Psynews Contest

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    I have a psytrance track which is almost finished, I only need to adjust some levels and maybe do some equing. But I'm nobody in psy scene and seeing who is also participating I'm afraid even to try.

     

    Here are some of my finished psytrance tracks, what do you think? Is it even passable?

     

     

    Recent attempts at fusionning Trance and Psytrance

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    I'm an ex normal trance listener and I do like melodic psy. I don't mind some uplifting cliches like supersaws, plucks, big arpeggiated melodies and the like, if used tastefully these things may work quite well in psy context. What I dislike is this happy laidback vibe which is dominating modern trance scene (and was one of the main reasons why I've mostly stopped listening to it) and is crawling into psy. Some of the tracks you've posted suffer from just this, the tracks by Orkidea and Ghost Rider sound like generic trance with psy basslines.
    I absolutely don't mind positive, euphoric mood in psytrance, but psy may not sound, well "mundane" (for the lack of better word).
    Well, if people are promoting their music here, why shouldn't I :) I absolutely don't pretend these tracks to be anything special, just my vision of blending psytrance with uplifting elements.

     

     

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