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Strangely beautiful and very, very trippy. Don't know what to think of it I guess this is kinda "acquired taste" but well, it is definitely psychedelic music at its best. These Rastaliens tracks posted by Ormion (although they are fine psytrance) sounded like some vanilla radio songs after this.
Yeah, Rastaliens are good, I never had heard of them before but liked these tracks (had to take some break from Kashyyyk to appreciate them, though
) But they are from 2007-2008, I don't hear much music like this released today.Btw, I really love some Solar Spectrum tracks, and I've just checked Discogs and it apepars to be proggy reincarnation of Braincell
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Tickets - The Toy and Braincell - There Is More On This World are very nice, thanks! Btw, the ending melody in The Toy seems quite "full-onish" but it doesn't sound cheesy or wrong in the context.
Thwisted System track has some really awesome chord changes but the sound-design is too agressive and dark to my taste.
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In my opinon best label for melodic psytrance was/is Glowing Flame Records.
Trold, Braincell?
Good stuff but not quite my thing
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Question, Do you find the melody's in this track cheesy or lame?
I think' it's borderline, TBH. First, this track would be better without these speech samples. As for the melody itself - well, it is not annoying but not exactly awesome either - to happy and too simplistic.
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So all in all, my answer is NO! Psytrance does not need melodies per se. Is Psytrance with melodies nice? Yes! Is Psytrance without melodies nice? Yes!
I should have been more specific in my question
I don't doubt that there is good psy without any melodic content - I don't like such tracks but I totally understand why other people may enjoy them.I'm asking, well, whether you think that a melody as such is an "admissible" component of psytrance or it ruins the psychedelic vibe for you or is unwanted for some other reasons. I'm talking about overt, in your face melodies (like e.g., some U-recken), not about subtle arpeggiated patterns sitting in the background of a track or something like this
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If you really want melodic stuff go check Dacru records.
I think I've checked most (if not all) of their releases and have many of them in my playlist. Dacru was my gateway from trance to psy.
But I don't like the direction they are taking now.Well, seems that most people here love both melodic and non-melodic psy - unlike me, you, guys have much more music you can enjoy
My comfort zone is too narrow,I don't like non-melodic psy at all (forest, darkpsy, UK) but also can't stand this tasteless Israeli full-on, which what I usually get when searching for melodic psy.
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Goa is obivously melodic, but in modern psy a melody seems to be an optional element and anynthing with memorable, catchy melodies is often called cheesy. But I usually prefer melodic stuff and I have soft spot for "trancy" melodies, like early Protoculture, Ephedrix or Digicult, neither too happy (like Electrosun and similar) nor too dark.
What do you think about melodies in psytrance? Do you like melodic psy or prefer music mostly made of effects and soundscapes?
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Would be a fine cover for something darkpsy
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Thanks!
Glad that you enjoyed it!
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you don't tackle social issues by eating mushrooms and listening to terrance mckenna.
If some people who appear on TV every day were eating mushrooms and listening to Terence McKenna instead of doing what they do many social issues would be effectively tackled
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I synced up a BS II and a Microbrute to a Beatstep Pro last weekend and did a similar thing, but did not realize the genre
was called 'Weird Shit'.
It's a very new genre, we are the originators of it
Psytrance definitely needs more new subgenres!
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Just found this weird sh!t on my hard drive. Dark and acidic but somehow melodious. Mixing is far from perfect but I like it as it is
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listening to electro sun's higher than ever from start to finish in one sitting.
Committee against torture strongly disapproves such an extreme form of punishment
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Digicult - The Lucid Nation
U-Recken - Aquatic Serenade
Ephedrix - Expander
Aquila - Gain Control
This is what got me hooked onto psy. And these are the albums I enjoy from the first to the last track, which is pretty rare.
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Del, nevermind
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i don't mind a few fullon (or progressive (if it's the good kind)) elements in my goa either.
Actually, a crossover between goa and psytrance/full-on looks like a good idea
Psytrance sound design (squelches, FM leads, other weird sounding stuff) and the energy of kbbb bassline plus goa melodics could make killer combinations, I wonder why there are so few tracks based on it.-
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70% is very mediocre
It is actually good, if we are talking about prog or full-on, 95% of it is mediocre to piss-poor (but the rest 5% is as awesome as it gets, actually I believe that the golden era of psytrance has just began because today we have really amazing possibilities for production and sound-design which weren't available or at least were prohibitively expensive 5 years before).
Yesterday I gave a spin to Trust in Trance, and I was actually surpruised how many mediocre tracks it contains. Yes, there are Kabbalah, People Can Fly, Enlightened Evolution, but most other tracks are boring and simplistic. Mindsphere's Mintal Triplex/Presence released this year is much more interesting and diverse album. I understand that if there weren't Trust in Trance there was no Presence, but still, goa has improved a lot (if we judge it accoridng to the best releases).
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There are awesome cheap DAWs, like Reaper and Mulab.
In fact you may use an evaluation license of Reaper untill you have 60 bucks to buy it
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Did you ever heard about Sturgeon's law?
Imo, the ratio of great releases to mediocre crap stays more or less the same throughout the whole history of psy/goa trance but the great tracks become classic while the the crap is being forgotten, therefore we may think that old goa was all killer stuff unlike today.
Maybe today we just have more of everything because indeed the tools needed to make pro-quality music are more easily accessible (plugins are cheap or free, yeah, but still, you need at least a powerful machine and decent monitoring) and running a digital label is probably much less expensive than pressing real vinyls or CDs - thus we have more crap, but also more great stuff.
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that's an understatement. at a blind test over at some studio forum, more people thought that diva was the analogue original and thought that the old analogue synths costing thousands of euros were the plugin than the other way round
but for the most part diva sounds more like the lush synth sounds of the 70s or 80s, instead of the cheap digital synths that were so prolific in oldschool goa. of course it's a flexible synth, but out of the box it's easier to sound like vangelis than like astral projection...
btw, diva also includes modules modelled after the ms20, so it might be a cheaper (and equally good) option if you're looking for that kind of sound and are fine with it being software.
I think I saw this test at KVR and Gearslutz, I've even reposted it at some other audio forum where most people also picked Diva as hardware
Yeah, the stock presets in Diva are mostly targeted at progressive rock and like that, but it is really easy to make goa-like synth lines with these filters. Also Diva has a module emulating Jp80x0 supersaw oscillator.
Here is a two minute track I've made just for fun, all Diva except for the drums, kinda-sorta oldschool goa. Love these resonances
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Thanks for the replies! Well, seems that developing my own style by doing whatever I want makes the most sense
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I've just stumbled upon a track which perfectly fits my original requirements, here it is
And this whole album (Presence) is really amazing.
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Does psytrance need melodies?
in General Psytrance
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For me the combinations of melody/atonal stuff usually sound the most psychedelic. Melody attracts attention, while the strange atonal/unpitched sequences and atmospheres act more subconsciously.
Like here