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    PSYCHOTIC MOVIES

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    Additionally, To be able to contrast and sometimes infer these attributes both from the zenith to the nadir of a person's behavior.

     

    I was anticipating this post skyclan and I'm glad you did. I can understand somewhat what you're saying but this qoute above goes beyond my comprehension. Is it possible to explain this further and dig a little deeper.

     

    And what's a psych tech? A psychologist or a psychiatrist cause I never heard of it before.

     

    If these movies help you in any way in understanding and therefore helping people with a specific disorder or frailty, and I think you mean psychopaths, please correct me if I'm wrong, or even help in better understanding yourself and others then who can be against that.

     

    Please note that I am here to learn and not to justify my views and opinions and thus create bias.

    I am always willing to change and be as openminded as possible to come to greater knowledge if that's the case.

    V/A - Lucas Presents: God Save The Machine

    in 2006

    Posted

    Still a great solid release after 4 years. None of the tracks annoye me which is great for a V/A release. It strikes me that a lot of the tracks have more depth than other full on, are more subtle arranged while maintaining the groove. Some of these tracks are made to listen on a huge professional sound system and to dance and freak out to.

    I read on Lucas's myspace he is preparing a follow up. Can't wait...could be even better. I hope he will maintain originality over commerciality.

    PSYCHOTIC MOVIES

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    Anakoluth, or you took the wrong quote or you didn't understand what Joncrow was saying. He clearly stated he is NOT a fan of these films because of horrific/psychotic imagery used in these films. ;)

    most insane music ever

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    ah, we interpreted the topic differently. i thought it was about the most insane music regardless of genre. so frank zappa may still have a place in this thread ;)

    for rock music they're definitely one of the more insane artists. and they make good music; i'd really have loved them if i had discovered them back when i was into that kind of music.

     

    yup, agruing what's the most inane is pointless. one can only state their opinion, it's all subjective after all...

     

    I was under the impression that you had started this topic but it was Bahamut. I got you both mixed up.

     

    I think my impression of the topic is/was the same as yours. Most insane music regardless any genre specifically.

     

    I still love the Butthole surfers a lot cause nothing sounds like them. Most of the tracks posted are 20+ years old & still sound fresh.

     

    Frank Zappa was a "crazy", as in funny, genius + made some great music so he could fit right in this thread. He didn't like the fact that people called him a "madman" though ;)

    most insane music ever

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    i don't find the butthole surfers particularly insane. :unsure:

     

    it sounds perfectly normal and easily accessible when compared to for instance

     

    Excuse me, Butthole Surfers are insanely accessible for sane people.

     

    As far as rock&roll goes these guys are nuts + they make great music. Together with Ween/Moistboys they kicked rock&roll in the ass my dear friend.

     

    You said any genre so I picked rock&roll and I am not gonna argue with what is crazy/insane and what's not.

     

    Compairing psytrance with rock&roll is ridiculous, they are 2 totally different genres.

     

    I have got the feeling a lot of crazy and insane music is gonna be posted here which will sound boring or crappy to me, no offense, please do so.

     

    Nice track from Talpa btw

     

    http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEuKiqnnOPM

     

    http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65uGF6aog0

    Astral Projection new album

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    It's all just a hoax by now.

     

    The real members of the band died like 7 years ago, and their borg replacements aren't capable of making music thats up to par, so its just like a "oh yeah, theres an album coming alright" type of ordeal.....

     

    thats right, hit up those blog spots now.....astral projection is dead

     

    Let me guess...eagerly anticipating the new album?

    604 reasons why GOA

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Time for some good old drama/fun in this thread

     

    90...is still a kick under your newskool asses :P

     

    91...is waiting for the new AP which seem to take ages

     

    92...same for MWNN, Hallucinogen,...

     

    Don't ban me I'll ban myself :ph34r:

    Banlieue 13 (13th District)

    in Movies

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    It's been a while since I've seen this film. As far as I remember I enjoyed this one too. Good French action movie!

     

    I remember he was banned from some of the movie theatres because of the violence. It's a bloody ACTION movie. Hollywood must have been jealous and used his imperial tentacles to ban this movie. Another conspiracy revealed.

     

    Maybe too farfetched. La douce France and his banlieues. Always dynamite. French politicians shitting their pants: What are they gonna do after they watch this film?...I don't know maybe start a riot. Always assuming the worst...typical!

    I don't know about you but when these riots take place they, the perpetrators, always torch their own cars and vehicles, now that's stupid! Also funny if you think about it.

     

    Anyways enjoy the movie!

    Crossing Mind

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Many congrats to you Stéphane for your album being released on DAT records. It's gonna be a killer!

     

    I hope you find other label(s) to release your new tracks cause No way wrong and Progenic are great tracks! :)

    PSYCHOTIC MOVIES

    in Movies

    Posted

    There's a horrible and wonderful aspect to words and definitions in that you can split hairs over them for seemingly endless time. If you've got people whom you can do this with and the parties involved don't get defensive or offensive it can be very constructive.

     

    +1

     

    Baraka is by poorly-pigeon-holed definition a documentary, in that it's factual imagery that's taken place, but it really is much more than that. The images have been arranged in a certain way. It transcends that documentary definition somewhat.

    You're probably right, I took the info from Wikipedia. I've just seen some clips from youtube and it looks very interesting. I'm gonna watch this one for sure.

    I just wanted to point out the difference in approach. ;)

     

    Feel free to reply fully to my post earlyer on, that is if you find the time to do so. We are cleary living in a different time-zone.

    PSYCHOTIC MOVIES

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    Posted

    Well to give a short answer. Definition of psychotic is: "characterized by or afflicted with psychosis" and definition of psychosis is: "a mental disorder characterized by symptoms, such as delusions or hallucinations, that indicate impaired contact with reality". I'd say our modern culture or at least aspects of it has immature and impaired contact with reality through lack of understanding/ignorance. So depending on a cultures lack of breadth, depth and balance/harmony of vision then if a film or presentation is inline with and to varying degrees if that film perpetuates that lack then it has an element or elements of psychosis. The better films you're talking about often try to address this lack of balance etc and stimulate a lesser state of psychosis. Something like say Baraka(This is a presentation of various world imagery with sound and music) extends much further outside of the box, by saying much less specifically it ends up saying much more, is much less on cultural rails, and more fully transcends culture and is more open to interpretation that's dependant on the individuals capacity, to a degree.

    Sorry if this post is a little muddled. It's 5 in the morning. Posted Image

     

    NOTE: What is reality nowadays and the lack of contact with it? I've noticed people having psychotic symptoms are searching for more depth in their lives society has failed to give them. So they create their own. Similar to what you said Jon.

     

    I'm not an expert about the matter of psychosis but have had some experiences with it in the past. It all depends on how you look at it. Movies with psychopaths/psycho's in it just shows one extreme variation of psychosis. Often people think this is what being psychotic is all about when in reality very few psychotic patients are labelled as psychopaths. Movies with a psycho in it usually! don't tell you anything about psychosis. It just tells you how fucked up things can get, blow it way out of proportion and in comes the horror. Again these pictures are plain old horror pictures made to shock(read entertain) you.

    The pictures I talked about go way deeper. The emphasis lies in exploring the inner psyche rather than the shocking element. That's what makes "psychotic movies" interesting movies and not just entertaining.

    I haven't seen Baraka but have done some research about it. If I'm not mistaken Baraka is a DOCUMENTARY about transcending culture and specific beliefs and therefore can not be compared with a movie trying to follow a coherent(well mostly :lol:) story. It's a totally different way of approaching things.

     

    If you don't use these distinctions you can find elements of psychosis nearly everywhere and label it as such.

    This would be my definition of "psychotic movies" and is ONE point of view.

     

    This is turning into a very interesting thread if you ask me!

    PSYCHOTIC MOVIES

    in Movies

    Posted

    Your first list of films I personally don't consider to be psychotic at all. It's obviously very subjective of course. In fact nowadays I find some of them fairly tame and ordinary as far as mental concepts go. Your second list I absolutely love and have seen them all many times.

     

    After coming back from my very first non-sectarian meditation retreat many years ago I remember watching a film where a dude "just" got shot and bloody hell it slammed me. I'd seen this thousands of times before. Made me wonder very deeply about desensitisation. I started playing a First Person Shooter recently where I had to shoot a guy who was sleeping in his bed and I really didn't want to do it.

     

    I NEVER said to ignore the darker aspects of our being, it's incredibly important to be completely aware of all of that side to oneself and bring it all into the light of bare awareness and understanding as completely as is possible for transmutation. It's fantastic food for growth, but do we need to add to our own voluminous material in a senseless way through unnecescary but addictive and pointless media for the sake of getting a kick? The west is great at stuffing all this negative personal shit under the rug, perhaps that's why it comes through vicariously in our media, as an outlet. So long as it's out there, seemingly outside and seemingly away it's "OK" though, but don't dare look at it inside of you and claim responsibility, how scary. Look at how many people would crumble or be incredibly bored or traumatised if forced to be in their own mental company for a week with no other people, drugs, books and magazines, TV's or screens to keep their minds occupied. All the shit can start coming to the surface for a party. There's an incredible ammount of personal energy, empathy and potential for growth by bringing full-awareness and even meditation/contempletion to these darker areas. Dwelling on them without balance or hiding it is to stand still or recede somewhat.

     

    The type of psychotic film I was pitching my earlier comments toward were films with maiming, gore, torture and senseless graphic imagery. Drills, saws, hooks etc applied to the human body, that sort of thing. Putting babies in microwaves, appendages slowly immersed in deep fryers, skullfucking old men and women after sledgehammering some puppies. These films with no form of philosophical backing or balance to the film other than how far can we shock you and how much of this imagery can I take in and feel it's OK, this is art, inspiration? In fact a few years ago when my conciousness was at an earlier stage of development I watched some of this stuff in highly sensitive altered states and while I was fine with it, it just seemed like a massive waste of human potential, mental potential and a waste of the wonder and beauty that is conciousness, especially as this mind matter, that everyone shares, is broadened, deepened, balanced, sensitised and has risen above/transcended or transmutated the beastial and selfish/egoic tendencies. I'm not talking about cliched hippy new age peace and love spirituality here I'm talking about the potential for development and refinement that's inherent in every single mind through very simple training, aspiration, recognising our responsibility and right view. The reward is an increase in power and ability to conciously do and be free and naturally sharing of this gift with others. It takes huge ammounts of effort. Just as much as it takes to become an award winning physicist, some get by easier than others, but far out is it worth it, this is the lens we view everything through and it's all too often wasted, stuffed into the corner or put into slavery.

     

    Jon Posted Image

     

    I like reading your posts Jon. Inspiring and interesting. You really thought this one through.

     

    But what is a psychotic movie for you, better put, what's the definition of a "psychotic movie"?

    The ones you refer to in the second half of your post just seem like some B-Hollywood horror/slasher movies. Except for the usual psycho there is really nothing psychotic about it. These are purely films to entertain the audience and they should be watched like that.

    On the other hand Requiem for a dream or Clockwork Orange are more than just entertaining pictures. They offer you a certain vision of the crazy reality we live in. These pictures trigger you and force you to think outside the box, remind you of the fact that reality isn't black or white. Though you claim these are not psychotic movies? It's hardly a movie genre but if it was these movies would fit right in imo.

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