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I'm gonna check it out. Love the Dizzy Drops track from Dickster btw.
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83...is underrated.
84...is misunderstood.
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81... is going back to a time where tribal rituals were held to connect yourself with the Cosmos/The Great Spirit using music as the medium( and some mystical medicinal plants).
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Great idea Basilisk. I really think this is good for old school artists to be able to re-emurge from obscurity, get them to play live again, etc. This is what Suntrip and some other organisers are doing quite succesfully BTW, inviting old school artists to their parties. If the artists can see for themselves they are still relevant in this day and age maybe they will consider reissueing their older stuff...Let's hope for the best. Personally, I think a lot more reissues are gonna come our way...which is GOOD!There's always the Creative Commons option. There are plenty of great old school albums that probably won't be re-released by Avatar, Suntrip, or DAT. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be heard. With so many old school fanatics around I know a lot of people are in contact with the artists... so make it happen; I'm sure at least a few would be amenable to the idea, much as OOOD and Elysium have been so far.
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I know about discogs for quite a while now. I'm sure you can find classics at reasonable prices. But I'm talking about those rare classics whom are ridiculously priced like 50 euro's or more and the fact should they be reissued or not. Anyway thanks for sharing!
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I have seen them recently. They definitely still got it and you're right. It's not the same cloned out crap that's out there. But I think that's because the cloned stuff is just that. A facsimile of the real thing. Then while everyone is trying to be "new and improved" and trying to be their own person, it also kills it. You come out with half-assed protoplasm that just oozes with garbage. If it's not broken, don't fix it.
There are artists out there who like to reinvent themselves with every new record and taking the risk to lose their fanbase. Which is cool because there is experimenting involved, trying to create something new because they are bored doing the same thing, for example Radiohead. On the other hand their are bands who are doing what they do best and don't change a lot which can be good either, for example AC/DC. I also think Astral Projection is good at what they do. There has been some experimenting with more modern sounds, like The Prophecy or Open Society, which BTW sounds even better than most fullon because of their layering skills. When I listen to Humans will play for robots I think this is really their territory, no other can create such thick layering without overdoing it. I'm glad they are still around and as their nr 1 fan I will keep following them ...no matter what they do!!!
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Humans will play for robots by Astral Projection ...If the album is gonna be like this we are in for a treat!!
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Sorry, my fault. I should have quoted Bwhale for context. As antic says, it wasn't meant to be a reply to your post.
I was ready to take you on anytime anywhere brother
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...and where the hell is my dirty underwear!!
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It has been a long time coming... but I finally had the chance to see Simon perform as Shpongle (DJ set) and Hallucinogen (live, or something like it). I am told his live sets seldom vary--due, no doubt, to the lack of new material... but both sets blew me away just the same. An hour and a half of Shpongle, Younger Brother, and various other side projects (plus a few remixes--probably the ones now available on the Twisted download site) were awesome to hear at sundown. As Hallucinogen he played a ton of material from The Lone Deranger, some of which was remade, tuned up, or somehow altered. I heard Jiggle Of The Sphinx, Deranger, and Gamma Goblins--this last one many times, as the eminently recognizable melody served as the leitmotif for his set. Toward dawn he threw down a few golden oldies like Shamanix. New material included Long Long Arms and Big Tits. The rest--well, it is a bit of a blur... I haven't danced that hard in a long while! Anyhow, it was great. Quite a change from the usual live set from one of the all-time greats, all of whom focus so heavily on their latest and greatest that you have to wonder if they've forgotten that people like hearing tracks they recognize and even love. He is just a man... but what a musical mind this man has--and I was very glad to hear him lay down hours of his own productions out at Eclipse 2008.
I know this post above is 2 years old but hey we are talking about Posford here.
I remember seeing him live in octobre of the year 2008 after Infected Mushroom( whom went clearly the pop direction and sucked big time: a drummer...why??? a guitar player aarrrgghh!!! and a singer/rapper???). Anyways back to Godford; finally it was his turn after he personally got rid off those infected guys. From the first notes you could hear this was going to be something to be reckoned with, no happyhappyjoyjoy trance.
Modulated, grinding sounds came out of the speakers like none you heard of before, chemically enhanced acidlines twisting and turning, the occasional melody to turn you into a manic frenzy...No words... The music is in effect...What a trip!!! It was over too soon..."time flies when your having fun" I could hear Simon say, now who could argue with that! I was still in shock(read trance), went out for a breeze and never came back. This is it ... it doesn't get any better than this... thank you God and thank you Simon!!!
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Would like to know more about them too. Downloads anywhere ??? Tell me pleaseDunes Of Gold
Dominion
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I agree if it works...it works. It's all about the money and some guy's taste now. It used to be different. Starting a party with more progressive beats making way for the more psychedelic sounds of the night and then top it off with more melodic stuff for the morning hours. Those were my kind of parties. It seems to me that those parties were exceptionally well organised in terms of which Dj plays when which is important to create a flow throughout the night.BTW I' m talking about the Belgian partyscene here. Now with all the subgenres we have the connection we had is lost in a way. I still love going to parties and I don't wanna be cynical but that's just the way I feel after too many bad parties.
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All I was stating is that when they started to try to compete with more mainstream acts *cough*Infected Mushroom*cough* that is when their troubles arose. Whether it's an identity crisis, creative energy flow, or simple legalities. When you take on an underground mentality, you don't worry about that sort of thing. You just create, perform, and put out music. Astral Projection is already well enough known that if they continue to put out good music, they will be supported by others.
It's undoubtedly common knowledge that their best music came from them while they were on their own label, Trust in Trance. It wasn't until they were getting locked up with Phonokol (and other mainstream labels) that their issues and quality became a factor. So by going underground, I mean take it back. Do a reload and start creating great music again. Face the challenges by eliminating the setbacks.
Let's wait and see till the next album get's released...They were and still are the pioneers of the Goasound and the biggest name around so it's obvious they were picked up by bigger record labels. This is no exception to what happens in the music industry in general. Good bands are getting picked up by major labels for better or worse. I really wonder how many of you has seen them live lately...they still kick ass and they don't sound like ANY of the israeli clones we have around these days. BTW they have nothing to do with BNE or phonokol these days if I'm right.
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I don't wanna limit myself to any genre or subgenre in dance music or music in general. It's like eating the same thing every day...makes you fat and lazy.
I think good music can get you in a trance-like-state, it doesn't even have to be trance music!
So I'm not gonna vote but will check out some of the recommendations
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A few albums may be re-released out of specific interest, but overall I just don't think it makes business sense for any label to consider re-releasing large numbers of out of print albums. I also would love to get my hands on many of those old releases, but I understand that in most cases it makes little sense to do so. Ask Draeke or Mars about it if you really want to know.
Wasn't Transdimensional pretty hard to find before it was re-released? I don't really know about the other two - I haven't heard much Koxbox and I've never heard of Zirrex.
It will be nearly impossible to reissue ALL the classic releases but I would settle for a few of the classics like I.F.O. by the Pleiadians. If you take the big names from those days and reissue those classics whom are out of print I don't think it's pointless: the record company's can benefit from the big names they are reissuing and the young crowd can buy a proper release.
Dragon tales by Koxbox and Lost in time by Zirrex are worth checking out + they are available!
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O I see ... I'm fairly new to this forum...don't know this bwhale...thought Rotwang was picking a fight...now I understand the gaywhale thing...excuse me officerIt wasn't meant for you, but for the user above you whose posts has now been deleted by the admin. BWhale is/was a guy coming here to start up controversial topic, to start fights and offend people. He was banned several times, but comes back occasionally under different nicknames.
So chill
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Piss off, gaywhale.
HHmmm ... gaywhale ... another old school collector I guess with nothing to say except... gaywhale. Man that doesn't even sound offensive. My five year old nephew can come up with something more insulting that!
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mars, on 21 April 2010 - 11:54 AM, said:
With all due respect, Kristian, this is not true.
Ok, to begin with, many so-called limited editions are actually 1000 copys batches. Fewer are 500 copies batches.
And when you know most labels nowadays only press 1000 as an initial volume, you realize many "limited edition" labelled cds are just a crook to make you buy the stuff.
Within the techno scenes, I consider 500 copies a limited edition. Not 1000.
Secondly, pressing a cd involves "fixed costs", one of them being the glassmaster, the kind-of negative that's used to press the final product. This sole item can be between 150 and 300€. Worth mentioning that you don't pay it again if your batch is a reissue from the same factory, but sometimes there are years between 2 batches and material gets archived and lost... That's not all: fatories may allow you to press any random number of cds, but only a multiple of 1000 paper parts (booklet, tray). You want 1200 copies? You pay 1200 cds and 2000 paper parts! In other words, the system is such that if you press under 1000 copies, the price/cd skyrockets and you need to sell more to make money...whereas you actually pressed less.
An example? Ok. Let's take an average release: CD replication with full-color, jewelbox with transpaprent tray, full color 4-page booklet, full color tray/back, shrink wrap, shipping, and assume there are no replication rights or royalties or promotion.
* With a eastern europe factory I know: 1000 copies = 727€ cds (0,72/cd). 500 cds = 722€ (1,44/cd).
* Not convinced? A big UK factory then: 2000 cds = 1412€ (0,71/cd). 1200 cds = 1008€ (0,84/cd). 1000 cds = 769€ (0,77/cd). 500 cds = 746€ (1,49/cd). 200 cds = 594€ (2,97/cd).
With an average distributor gross price, break even is at 160 copies with a 1000 cds batch whereas break even is at 124 copies with a 200 cds batch. Your cash flow will be very limited with the remaining 76 copies, so will be your possibilities of reinvestment.
We studied it thoroughly at Suntrip because we want to repress our early releases. In the real world you also pay artists advances, promotion, copyrights, promos, etc, which makes the break even amount much higher. We came to the conclusion that we should keep the factory price/cd under 0,80€.
Conclusion:
- a real limited edition generates less revenue than a normal batch.
- to be economically profitable, it's better to press at least 1000 copies, even for a reissue.
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Their next one.....
What he said...definitly.
Now for the other 4 albums I don't really want to pick any. I remember their first EP Opiate was louder than a bomb when it was released in 1992. If you don't have it already then go buy it: Sweat, Hush ,Part of me, Cold & Ugly, Jerk-off, Opiate are classic Tool songs.
Through the years I've always enjoyed their latest offerings. Every new Tool release is like some sort of Shamanic ritual for me, definitely more than music, a bigger than live experience!!! and remember kids: two weeners for daddy an one iced pee for me
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Saw them last year performing and they were... badasses setting the record straight. Afterwards played synSUN whom were good(just bought their two reissues from Phototropic which aaarrre awesome!!) then followed by Koxbox...no words just aaaAAAAYEAAAAHHH!!!
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Reyu: no he hasn't released any tracks besides the ones you mentioned, in the last couple of years.
Anyway, I heard he played some unknow stuff last parties he appeared. I hope it's new material.
I hope he is gonna save them up for the album which is possible because he didn't release that much the last few years. It's gonna be a breeze of fresh air when he release his album. The MAN is inimitable!!!
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Then why are some record company's releasing reissues like for instance Transdimensional by Dimension 5(Suntrip), Dragon tales by Koxbox(Inpsyde), Lost in time by Zirrex(Hado records),...because it's pointless from a business perspective??? It's not because the old schoolers have all the classic albums that there is no market for it. If you haven't had the opportunity to buy these albums when they were originally released like me than these reissues are Godsend. Or maybe you just don't care ...O... I have the album then it's pointless to do a reissue...come on!!!Pointless from a business perspective, not a fan perspective. Old schoolers already have the old albums, so the customer base is all newer fans. Now if you have a new album, the customer base is everyone who is willing to buy.
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With all due respect, Kristian, this is not true.
Ok, to begin with, many so-called limited editions are actually 1000 copys batches. Fewer are 500 copies batches.
And when you know most labels nowadays only press 1000 as an initial volume, you realize many "limited edition" labelled cds are just a crook to make you buy the stuff.
Within the techno scenes, I consider 500 copies a limited edition. Not 1000.
Secondly, pressing a cd involves "fixed costs", one of them being the glassmaster, the kind-of negative that's used to press the final product. This sole item can be between 150 and 300€. Worth mentioning that you don't pay it again if your batch is a reissue from the same factory, but sometimes there are years between 2 batches and material gets archived and lost... That's not all: fatories may allow you to press any random number of cds, but only a multiple of 1000 paper parts (booklet, tray). You want 1200 copies? You pay 1200 cds and 2000 paper parts! In other words, the system is such that if you press under 1000 copies, the price/cd skyrockets and you need to sell more to make money...whereas you actually pressed less.
An example? Ok. Let's take an average release: CD replication with full-color, jewelbox with transpaprent tray, full color 4-page booklet, full color tray/back, shrink wrap, shipping, and assume there are no replication rights or royalties or promotion.
- With a eastern europe factory I know: 1000 copies = 727€ cds (0,72/cd). 500 cds = 722€ (1,44/cd).
- Not convinced? A big UK factory then: 2000 cds = 1412€ (0,71/cd). 1200 cds = 1008€ (0,84/cd). 1000 cds = 769€ (0,77/cd). 500 cds = 746€ (1,49/cd). 200 cds = 594€ (2,97/cd).
We studied it thoroughly at Suntrip because we want to repress our early releases. In the real world you also pay artists advances, promotion, copyrights, promos, etc, which makes the break even amount much higher. We came to the conclusion that we should keep the factory price/cd under 0,80€.
Conclusion:
- a real limited edition generates less revenue than a normal batch.
- to be economically profitable, it's better to press at least 1000 copies, even for a reissue.
Very interesting! Lim ed as a salestrick. I'm gonna think twice before purchasing a lim ed cd in the future
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No point in making a re-release.
Pressing 500 copies is quite pointless, if only some goa-freaks are going to buy it.
The solution in my opinion, is to put all of the older releases as digital downloads.
Pointless??? I disagree! Why is it that some record company's are releasing reissues of classics of the 90's. Because they love the music and want to offer a decent cd release to us , the buyers. Downloads are good but it never beats a genuine cd release which is affordable. I hope they are gonna release a lot more of these reissues in the near future!
Do you have IFO?
in General Psytrance
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I downloaded it from itunes like a bunch of other classics because I just can't wait for the re-release.