Elysium
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Thanks for the suggestions but most of this music you suggest is music I already know and a lot of it is not at all what I am looking for (All the old Goa and Human Blue is far from my idea of deep trippy "non melodic" trance) and maybe I was not being clear enough in my original post. But I am not looking for old music, Goa or Melodic stuff. I am looking for new deep trippy not too fast music aká 2010/2011. BPM's around 133-140.
Thanks walkabout. I'll check out a few of your suggestions (the first ones) which are unknown to me (I am not sure though it's what I am after - we'll see).
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I am going to record my 3rd "My Vision Of Trance Dj Mix" but have a very hard time finding the right music. The first two mixes contained older tunes but I would like to include new stuff too. BUT this is where the problem start. I have been looking for deep tripped out trance within the BPM range of 133-140 and have not found anything of quality or anything I consider to be deep or trippy (and tribal is a foreign language these days).
So basically I am NOT looking for melodic stuff, New Goa or fast multilayer stuff. I am looking for tripped out music that know how to breath!
If you are in doubt about the direction I am going please listen to my two mixes (not mandatory and not promotion) to get an idea of the kind of music I am looking for (in a modern suit).
http://soundcloud.com/sheyba-elysium/kristian-elysium-my-vision-of
http://soundcloud.com/sheyba-elysium/kristian-elysium-my-vision-2
Suggestions are appreciated
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OK, so I was just randomly strolling through some old trance tunes on youtube and I stumble on this... like how the F... could I miss out on it??? The original Dream Universe is one of my trop normal trance tunes of all times, and remixed by one of my face trance artists of all time yihaaa!
Well, just wanted to insert a link in case anyone else missed it:
http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr-gffKnTso
Sound quite "Euro Trance" to me
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Does anyone actually make music that is not "fast track on steroids"? Would be nice to hear some proper new Goa around 133-140 bpm
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A lot of these covers would be much better with other typefaces. So many overused typefaces here bringing down the designs. But there are indeed some gems here (usually those that does not try too hard to be "trance").
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I do not disagree. I guess.my "message" is to experiment, find a sound of their own and for the labels not to release every tune they receive. To "live" by the good old advice. Quality over quantity
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I suspect a lot of old school producers developed a distinctive sound almost by accident, possibly as a result of the limitations of the equipment available to them at the time. I don't have a source for this, but I remember it being said that MWNN was notorious for never changing the presets on his synths - and Transwave went to great lengths to imitate the MWNN sound. Hallucinogen's LSD represents Simon's attempt to write mainstream trance - and it failed brilliantly. Similar stories could probably be related for many of the old-timers. I think a lot of the music we love resulted from an inept imitation of something else entirely.
I used 10 years in various studios before I released anything. So no not all of us got our sound by accident or copied other artists
And not all stories should be taken for anything but what they are - rumors.
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Go to Karaoke with some friends and belt out some of your favourite songs as badly as you can!
I recommend The Pogues as you don't need to be able to sing
It's not my big passion to sing so I am fine
I do sing out loud when having a great time with friends ha ha -
I don't think "goa trance" narrows down to only these artists, so why do you put these words in my mouth ?
For me goa trance is a subgenre of psychedelic trance.
I do not try to put words in your mouth but it is evident listening to the new artists in the goa scene that 99.9% all want to sound like these artists. I simply feel you (after reading your opinion) look for difficulties instead of options.
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As I said innovation happens in suomi,dark, tech-trance,psy-prog etc. I really insist that it's really hard to do something innovative in goa trance and it still being goa trance. Of course it's possible to innovate,as I said many times already, but then it would be no goa anymore, but something else.
I highly disgaree. I think you see walls where there are no walls
Of course if you think Goa is only a small handful of artists such as Transwave, Etnica and Astral and only want to sound exactly like them. Then you have a problem and I predict you wont evolve further as a genre;) -
And Elysium, to take it further: Do you think it's possible to create an original bassline that doesn't resemble anything made during a period of around 20 years of goa trance, AND the track still remaining goa trance? You might make innovative basslines in suomi or darkpsy(psykovsky's latest, regardless of whether I like it or not, nothing to do with my point), but if you want to make something sound like goa , vast amounts of originality are impossible or really,really,really hard. I bet that even someone with lots of producing experience like you can't make a goa bassline that doesn't resemble anything made in the past (and of course, as I said, the music still being Goa trance). If you can, let us know.
I did not see your post so don't worry you'll get your answer
Yes of course I think it is possible to create new basslines just as it's possible to create something unique and fresh. And of course there will always be some sort of recognition in what you do in reference to music made earlier. That's how things are in any genre. BUT when I hear track after track copying basslines and melodies etc. directly from artists from the 90's then I wonder if these new artists at all have any intention to do their own thing? Not speaking in general as I am sure there are some, but not many, who seek their own sound and direction.
And Who said Goa trance has to sound exactly like it did 10 years ago? Why not go new ways, experiment, create something new´, set your mind free and remove the chains of the past? Something that is yours and not just another copy?
Nothing is impossible but if that is yours and especially the new artists opinion then I predict you'll run out of steam pretty soon and never evolve.
The problem is that you people narrow Goatrance down to one small grope of artists within a big wide Goa movement that actually contained a lot of diversity. Goatrance is so much more than Transwave, Etnica and Astral Projection!!!!
P.S! I experiment with basslines every single day (as well with other parts in the music) but use them in other projects. And I do not think I copy other artists sound or basslines as I pretty much think Elysium has it's own unique sound. So I do not have to prove I can make different bassline. I know I can
The point is also that it's not just that the bassline has to be different. It's all about the final result and making it your own instead of making it into someone else did before you.P.S. It looks like Elysium is open to advice.
I'm always open to advice if it's an advice made from common sense and not based on arrogance. Are you open to advice or just out to stir up things as usual?
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Well it's seems this debate about producers 'trying to hard to sound oldschool' is going on some time here...
Only thing i can say is, both from a listeners and an artist point of view: let artists friggin' do what they want! Music making should be for the fun of making music, and well, if someone enjoys making music that was already made 10+ years ago, he should make that kind of music. Don't try to push in the direction you want, because music is always better when it is made from the heart.
and frankly, just because you don't like the sound and don't think it's innovative, well that doesn't mean everybody does.
And it seems that people think it is obligatory for artist to experiment, to be innovative and push their own boundaries... Well I can imagine that alot of artists don't think the same way, and just make the sound they now and like because it makes them happy.
Just listen to music you like, and let artist make the music they like
For me it is more important that an artist makes music to express him/herself, and makes it from the heart, then wether I like it or not..
So according to you we should just stop debating music all together? Releasing whatever is being made and never tell a single soul they should use their time on something else? How boring
P.S! I was once told I could not sing and I am thankful for that advice.
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I think artists should keep trying to create, to be innovative, instead of only get "inspiration" from works already done 10 years earlier. And why should an artist limit himself inside Goa boundaries? He might create a danceable, wonderful bassline pattern and be the benchmark for a subgenre that could be million times better than Goa.
+ 1000
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I didn't get upset, I explained why the argument was stupid.
Fair enough. You find my reasons stupid. I find it utterly stupid that some people here get personal offended or let's say "annoyed" if their favorite music or artists are being debated
I do follow what's going on and listen to the music so you assume wrong (very wrong)
And I do believe I am competent enough to have an opinion that's not "stupid" or less important than yours because you, a die hard fan, have a hard time dealing with criticism when it come to your favorite music. As I said before in this debate and many others it's nothing personal. I merely speak my mind as others do too and try to be constructive in my criticism (I explain why I feel the music should not be released). No I do not tell people how they should make the music. That would be nonsense and there are no "right or wrong". But I do say what's on my mind regarding the music and where I think some of the artists get it wrong (according to my taste).So like my criticism or not. It's fine with me. But don't tell me my reasons are stupid just because you don't see eye to eye with my opinion.
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Ah yes, you can't tell them apart. It's the same crap with people who don't listen to goa, or any genre that is, at all, whether it's new or old "it all sounds the same". It's all about how much time you spend with the music and in your case I wouldn't think that's much at all when it comes to new goa. I spend a lot of time with new goatrance, so I recognize artist from each others. This is a stupid argument.
It's stupid to get personal upset because someone does not see eye to eye with you. Take a chill pill
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quite interesting to see a man with a didgeridoo in the band. I didn't know they played with live instruments
If I am not mistaken it's Lasse Illinton. He was behind some of the big early 90's tunes incl. a world wide hit "Chaos" by Dr. Baker
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I think there is new skool goa with their unique sound, e.g merrow
I know it is all about personal taste but I can not hear something unique here that has not been done a 1000 times. It's fast, the bass is nothing special and sound like so many other basslines out there and the lead melody in the first video is a typical "rave" kind of sound with a very familiar melody. The layers are standard "recipe" layers. The melody in the 2nd video is nice but again nothing special IMO. Please point me to where the "unique" is found? I am not trying to bitch or to tell anyone they are wrong and I do not say it's bad music. It's better than much I have heard. And I know taste is taste. I just simply can not hear what you hear. Especially not when it comes to being "unique".
Bottom line is that it's hard to tell some artists apart these days. They do not have that extra something or unique sound that set them apart. Before you knew you were listening to Transwave, Etnica etc. etc. When I listen to many of today's new artists I can not tell them apart or even worse (IMO) they sound too much like the old artists.
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^ Elysium this friend of mine doesn't even listen to lots of psy/goa, he is rather new to the scene.
To be honest I found it quite a success that with so little listening experience he managed to recreate the oldskool sound with just Ableton Live and a few VSTs.
That's all fine and it should be fun
But you ask labels to consider releasing it (friends are usually not very good (objective) judges of friends music) and a label (or 2) already showed interest which I feel is the biggest "problem" here. As I wrote earlier it's all fine and if someone want to release it of course it's their decision, as if I would be able to tell them not to anyway he he
. But to me seen from my personal taste and opinion this is far from being something i would consider releasing simply because I do not think it's original at all and because it try too hard to copy something else. The sound quality is OK but not impressive. But looking beyond that and concentrating on the music I simply can not hear anything unique or something not done before much better IMO. Bottom line is I can not hear his own sound and style (as well as I think he need more practice in the studio) and as you wrote his aim was to copy the old-school sound. -
It would make sense to use it IF there would be negative reviews. But as there hardly are any negative reviews (In a constructive way) I don't see why you need it at all.
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An OK tune. But not more IMO. But seriously my only "problem" is he (as other new school artists) try too hard to sound like something already been done many times in the past. Like Etnica (The sequenced melodies), MFG (The lead melody) etc.
I still miss artists in this new "wave" that seek their own sound, dare to experiment and have patience instead of wanting to get released the minute they found a sound that remind them of old days.
I also think the labels jump way too fast when they hear a tune. I know there aren't many artists and it's tempting to release a tune you might not release if you had better material to release. But ask yourself if you are doing yourself and the artists a favor by releasing their music before they are ready?
Now this is my personal opinion and I know some disagree. I do not try to tell you what to do. That is up to you alone. But it's my honest opinion and it's coming straight from the heart as I would love to see a new Goa scene flourish. But not a scene repeating old times sounding half as good.
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Nice one
I am quite surprised how few people that are dancing/listing to their set.... I would have a expected a lot more!
Desert + morning = heat
Nice clip but damn did Ian and Frank look uninspired and bored
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Crop Circles
Cosmosis
Ubar Tmar
Guy Sebbag & Gal Carmy
Lotus Omega
OUT: Elysium
So let's get back to the game in the right order Rotwang
Crop Circles
Cosmosis
Ubar Tmar
Dj Dark Baba G
Lotus Omega
Out: Guy Sebbag & Gal Carmy
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So the question is: how you can make this music sound like it did back then, yet to make it "massive" enough to play it after fullon or progressive etc without people leaving the dancefloor.
Take care
I think you got it wrong here. It a matter of "who" you play it to. It's all about playing this kind of music to those who really want this kind of music. Not a big commercial crowd you find on the big Festivals
I would not rely on many in today's scene who are into fullon frenzy ever understanding (or bother to understand) this kind of music as their history in this scene mostly contain references to the Israeli faster full-on starting with IM, Astrix and Skazi.
You dont have to make it "massive" enough. This is where things went and still go extremely wrong IMO.
You can make this kind of music in a modern setting and still maintain the sound of the early 90's without getting into overdrive mode when it comes to bass etc.
attention whoring, every artist is forced to do it sometimes. it's not fun but it has to be done...
God damn some people here are really stuck with their faces way up their a**e.
My earlier comment was meant in fun (hence the smiley) and at the same time was a reference to the fact that lower bpm trance (not speaking about progressive here) is not being added to the headline on especially festivals where bpm's under 140 is considered to be "alternative" or even chill-out. And here is it my experience comes to play as I have had quite a times where I was put on the chill-out lineup even though my music is not chill-out. That was my point. And yes we artists speak about our music in a music forum. So does OOOD, Filteria etc. Just as much as I do
Filteria even did some "shameless" self-promoting in this debate (And why not). I don't see anyone castrating him for it
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It works great, especially if you're familiar with labels like Tribal Vision or some Iboga stuff (not Iboga-Ticon stuff, more like Iboga-Antix). But many people doesn't find it too much psychedelic and trancey for their taste. And by the way, why in every godamn topic you must post something about your music?
Out comes the Grumpy Squat
Recommend "Deep trippy Trance to me please
in General Psytrance
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I don't know. I haven't listened to them so how would I know?
But you are right if it's the usual generic "umpa" progressive trance
Any suggestions of song titles I can dig up to check it out?