Elysium
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Man I'm jealous of thast amazing artwork. Gotta be album cover of the year
Epic Engrish on his website
If you want my cd, send to money via Paypal, and email to me. with your Address. nhjohyennro@naver.com
Hehe
NHJO HYENNRO First Album "NH1". Included 21 Songs. not mp3. Audio CD. Price is 15000 usd.
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Someone who rip off KoxBox's name is not a band I even bother to listen to.
Now for the music. It's not my type of music at all but that is not the same as it's not OK or good music. Its just taste.
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I am not able to read your rants richpa as you are on my ignore list. So don't waste your time
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I agree with Basilisk. No need to generate more subgenres. Many had their own distinct "sound", even though everybody "borrowed" from each-other, at that time and yet no one made up more genres because of that.
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Electronic music has always been about copying eachother's sounds, melodies and samples. You can come up with the most original and unique melody and you'll still be ripping off some tracks that were made before without having a slight clue of it. There are so many tracks around and every corner of uniqueness and originality has already been explored to hell years before by other producers who have probably ripped off someone else too at that time without knowing it.
Exactly what I have been saying all along. Nice to see a voice of reasoning. I never claimed it was wrong of IM to be inspired of copy other artists (intentionally or not). But to not wanting to acknowledge the fact that they too got inspired and copied sounds and riffs is IMO to close the eyes a bit
As I wrote earlier before being censured. I'll come with examples later on when being in the mood to dig up some examples. Right now I am too concerned about good friends in Norway
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We're not favoring anyone! FYI even one of my posts got deleted by another mod in the same thread because it was off topic.
I agree that FD's post was a bit too much, but again it was on topic. He only spoke about IM and their sound.
Your post however deleted because it wasn't about IM, it was about FD. You call him a diehard fan not worth of debating before you even debate with him.
I guess we just have to disagree. Starting with the blasphemy is about me and not the music
Again I don't care what he wrote and I am not out to censor him. However I do think you guys should lighten up a tiny bit with your moderation. I can only speak about myself but it kill my interest in continue a debate when I am being silenced for such small petty details.
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Come on man. Was that mad blasphemy really that insulting? You make it sound way worse than it is.
And there wasn't any debate between you and FD. You called him a die hard IM fan with no reason to speak with him before you debate with him.
You were the biased here.
Apparently you got a very fixed view on things - sadly or do not like criticism when it come to the way you guys moderate? And yes I do not think it's smart to join a debate (jumping in after page whatever) and call people's opinions blasphemy before even writing anything else. But I guess it's not even worth the time complaining here. You guys do what you want to do apparently.
I wrote to him that the way he debated was not worth the time (Not exactly that way but you got my point) and apparently that was off-topic to you guys. His blasphemy comment and other "giggles" was apparently on topic
Also I doubt you bothred to read all I wrote and why I complained. It was because I was censured for stepping a tiny bit over the "on-topic" line while you allowed him to step over it too with no censorship. For the record i hate censorship and find your reason nitpicking! B Ut I also hate favoring!
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I guess it's a lost cause with you guys. But it's OK to call my view blasphemy? And why is it not OK to tell someone it's a waste of time IMO to debate with him?
The fact is that a person is a die-hard fan if they are not at all willing to hear other opinions. We had just stared IMO an nice debate where I read Tatsu's good points and I was about to answer Tatsu with a sober answer why I think IM has copied some other artists. A detailed answer to her questions. And then I see his very narrow reply and told him I did not see any idea in debating with him. Please enlighten me (without the standard answer it's not about music) what's wrong with that answer or does it has to be totally within a subject to not be deleted or edited?
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I am not at all happy about the way Veracohr moderated this debate:
http://www.psynews.o...ds/page__st__80
Folks, this is a friendly reminder to keep the discussion on-topic, about the music, NOT about each other. Difference of opinion is good!
In reply to Frozen Dreams two IMO over the top very one sided die-hard IM pro posts I wrote that I thought it was pointless to debate with a person who IMO write such nonsense and have such a fixed view on IM. Furthermore I wrote to Tatsu that I would return with a better explanation to her question to me.
This was deleted by Veracohr and when I asked why with the same examples as here it was also deleted. In private he wrote me a standard answer that I did not write about the music (go figure).
I don't think it's OK to censure me but allow another person to example insinuate that my view on IM's MUSIC is blasphemy. Bad moderation and judgement IMO.
I would have kept this in private IF Veracohr had bothered to actually listen to my point.
Kristian
what is all of this mad blasphemy??
This does not contribute to anything and I do not find it OK to call my view on IM vs. copying other artists as Blasphemy.
in fact, i could say this alot more easier
if you've got two ears on your head and have heard a track like let's say Spaniard or just about any other track they made before 2002, and then calling them rippers is just a fucking joke
Could the mods enlighten me about what this contribute and if this is constructive debating?
P.S! The reason why I react is because I dislike this over the top moderation going on at the moment. It's not even allowed to go on step outside a topic and Bang it gets deleted or even edited (that's a NO GO). Not good guys!
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I can understand you opinion. Cannot say this is crap, but it`s exactly something weird and stupid, and looks like a joke.
No matter what Ollie & GMS wanted to say, the result is pity. Not my music, and not a psytrance, of course. 
PS: Oh, I am not expert, and not evolved much into Goth`s culture. I have only read Ollie`s bio some years ago, and about Specimen is a goth band. But agree, their music is more rock influenced.
Of course it's not crap if a person is into this kind of music. Production wise its very good. But why do I call it crap? Simply because it got every horrible cliche attached to it. It's flooded with Euro Trance Hands in the Air riffs, Peace & Love, Spritual mumbo jumbo, Religious references, Alien cliches and Oli singing quite horrible trough vocoders (That trend died in the late 90's with Cher) . To me it can't be any worse.I doubt it was ever a joke to GMS and Mr. Oli. I am sure they think this is the (Ibiza) shit and predict they can milk the Cow and play for 10.000's in Mexico (I am sure they are right)
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Oh guys! You definitely will not agree with me, but it`s NOT a bad video, and Alien Jesus not a lame project. BUT!!! Only if not looking to psytrance ego of Ollie Wisdom. I think all this stuff and image comes from "The Specimen" times, as we can see it`s a very important alter ego of Ollie.
I am talking about famous goth band Specimen (or The Specimen) from UK, where Ollie Wisdom is a front-man since 1982 to nowadays. I think he just want to refresh old times a little, with a touch of modern pop-disco-guitar shit
Here is a some links
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Specimen
Old clips (early 80-s) - what a freaks!!!
It`s all bloody GOTHS!!!
IMO the music got little to to do with Goth (The styling is Goth'ish though but could just as well be New Romantics). IMO at most its Glam Rock but It was also called "New Wave" as it all melted together in the 80's. It's actually not that bad if you as me lived through the 80's and was a dedicated New Wave Dj. But also not the best I've heard
As for Alien Jesus. God grief this is utterly crap!
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something that nobody actually did.
I think some do as there is a red line between being inspired and copy. If you are inspired by someones music you will also be bound to copy them. As I wrote intentionally or not).
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we probably hear everything different...I listen to the whole rather than break it down into bite size chunks.... to do that you would hear elements of everything in every genre.....wizack put out a track where he wanted people to do their own thing with it, my b/f who is a music producer asked and was sent the piece of music...all broken down into pieces in no particular order, everything was there, but it wasnt a tune.....and his challenge is to make it into one..... this can be done with everything...
I love MFG and Astral and know their music well....In 2000 i was introduced to the music of IM(classical mushroom and the gathering) I really did not know what to think of it....It was totally different ...it took me a while and many plays for me to get used to the style....i never once thought to myself*O this sounds like*.... because it didnt....
I can listen to new djs/producers now and can hear where their influences came from...and many do copy IM. but not AP or MFG.
I guess we really hear things very different. I do not say you but I have noticed when some IM fans object to my opinion they seem to base it on their taste and not on rational analyzing of sounds and melody structure. When I first time heard IM's so-called groundbreaking album I instantly thought about those artists I mentioned. I even talked to some danish artist friends about it ( I wont mention their names as they are not here to debate it) and they agreed with me.
I agree that many artists copied IM but I do not agree that IM did not copy artists or got inspired by those artists i mentioned (in reference to sound design and some melodies) . I also know for a fact (I've been to Israel many times and also met IM at a few parties before they got famous. I also shared label with them in Israel BNE/YoYo) that they were indeed influenced from the at that time Big names in the Israeli scene (and also from artists in the UK scene). And that shines though in their music just as much as those artists I was influenced by shines through in my music. I too got fans who think my music is the best in the world and totally unique. While I appreciate their support and the fact they love my music I do not agree as I know every single artist incl. myself are inspired by other music and always to some extend copy from other artists (conscious or subconscious). I am pretty sure IM agree with me
To deny that IM was influenced and inspired by those who came before them is a bit weird to me but I accept your opinion
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I agree Tatsu, i have Astral projection and MFG and neither sound like IM....plus! IM came AFTER both those bands....now there are a lots of soundalikes around who take elements of IM and make them their own,,eg Rastaliens early stuff., and they do it well...
For the sake of a good interesting debate (and one where people actually can learn something) why do you not hear what I hear? I really lack better explanations from those of you who disagree with me. All you write is "I do not agree", "it's not valid". or "+1". To me that is not a debate going anywhere. I really like to understand why people can have so different opinions and what they base their opinions on
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Care to tell me which songs exactly are sounding like Classical Mushroom? I own the Indoor album but I never made the connection. Will give it another try tho. And as I said, I never even gotten into AP so they are very far from sounding like the Classical Mushroom album.
It's not so much that they copied a song. That's not the point. My point is that when I listen to IM's so-called masterpieces I hear a lot of references in their choice of sounds and the way they build their riff's (melodies) to the artists I mentioned. I am fine with the fact you people disagree and do not hear what I hear. But at the end of the day that is my opinion like it or not. My excuse is that I base it on years of music education and training and a continuous musical life as an artist. I doubt anyone can brush off my opinion as not being valid or not correct. I do have some knowledge and experience in analyzing the way melodies are build and the techniques behind music (I teach music too) and not to forget 25+ years in creating sounds on real synthesizers and I am sure if some of you who so passionate refuse to acknowledged my points had the same experience in analyzing music (incl. theoretically) then maybe you would agree a bit more
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I'll do that for him. According to Elysium IM copied Astral Projection, MFG, Indoor, Sandman and I'm pretty sure himself.
Delete me and you are spot on
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I really dont think that they are pure full on bassline, maybe some mix of goa and full on bass...
I wrote "fullon'ish" which mean they are kind of full on
Point is to me the are way too monotonic, going down that "ra - ta - ta - ta road", and IMO does not live up to rest of the otherwise great elements in his tunes. -
According to this page the first 3 tracks from this EP are old (1996-1998)
Oh I did not see that. No matter the date I still do not like the bass-lines much
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I like everything except the bass-lines. Why is there such a "need" for boring full-on'ish bass-lines these days? It drag it down a bit for me. Otherwise it's cool tunes and it's nice to see him back.
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I'm not going to check your previous replies, just like I you have been on this board for a long while...
so repeat them short
or copy/paste!Why should I repeat myself or go back and find my replies just because you are too lazy to find them in this debate? Does not really make sense to me mate
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I always wonder, all psy/goatrance artist copycat in a certain way...
Who did they copycat back in 1999 - 2001 ?
Check my previous replies and you'll read who I believe they copied from day one (until their new start where they started copying more commercial bands incl. very bad singing)
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Very true! People saying that it just sounded like a mix earlier pioneers, surely haven't really listen to that album (not only referring to Elysium and LvB) and especially not when it came out. I remember at that time it was indeed ground-breaking! When I played it the first for some of my Goa-"head"-friend at home they all said it sounded really weird and different, that was the general reaction back then. But the never stuff, I dunno?! Well after Classical Mushroom I think they lost their edge. And inspired vs. copied, you should know the difference Elysium
I do know the difference and I stand by my point that they were copy cats (lead-sounds, riff's etc.) and not at all as unique and groundbreaking as some die-hard fans put on their shoulders
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Maybe a stupid question but where is the link to the documentary? All I see is a trailer on their site. Or does one have to pay for it? Now that would make their Documentary topic fall to the floor.
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That was super enjoyable I must admit. Loved the atmosphere. Proggy housy psy?
Thanks
I am not really sure myself he he. I am not sure about the housey reference but for sure I hear the proggy reference and also some more traditional Trance in it.
I had an atmosphere in my head and tried to "paint" a picture of a voyage toward Jupiter. A very beautiful (the melody/atmosphere) but also dangerous (example: the wind-sweep effects) voyage.
Look what came in the mail today
in General Psytrance
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Just do it correct. What I really hate are those who put my tunes on Discogs with totally w wrong info. Muppet's