What would be the best software for making goa/psy trance?

[Guest ReactorBlack]

Im very curious to know what would be or what do professional bands use to make goa/psy trance..

 

Personally, i ask this question because im using fruity loops (out of the box) and im getting some kool sounds from the 404 for basslines and some kool efx, but NOTHING compared to the sounds i hear from:

Genetic, Alien Project,Man with no Name,G.M.S.,Mandmademan,Colorbox,

Shakta,Etnica, S.U.N. Project, Silicon Sound... etc.

I heard reason is the way to go, but i have a Celeron @400 mghz.. :(

 

I have 1 song in the works, which i will upload to Acid Planet under my new

Link :

http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?AID=272583

 

please check it out.

[Guest ReactorBlack]

EEEK! wrong link

here is the proper link:

 

http://www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?AID=2...272583&T=425433

 

if you still cant find it... search for Virabhadra on www.Acidplanet.com

[Guest sve*bur]

Hi, RB.

 

Sequencing/Multitracker Software isn't limited to style or genres.

What is "the best" definately depends on the way you work with it.

Logic, Cubase, Sonar and Samplitude are great programs altogether which are capable of combining external MIDI, Virtual Instruments/FX and Audio Recording.

I prefer Cubase as I worked with it since ATARI times. I find it quiet intutive. Some friends of mine are using Logic for the same reason. The new Samplitude line will also have advanced features for VSTi/fx integration; I use SamClassic for CD-Mastering btw. It has an enormous sound quality (e.g. multiband compression / dithering algorithms).

Reason may be good for some instruments and it can be integrated in Rewire Multitrackers like SX, but I wouldn't say it's limited when it comes up to make a whole production in it. Also Ableton live is a good Rewire application for loops - strong timestretch algorithms.

IMHO Fruity Loops is a nice tool for beginners, but it's piece of crap when it comes to making decent production sounds.

 

Decent productions like from the artists you mentioned rather depend on a good combination of the equipment.

There are a lot factors that determine the sound: e.g. the whole production chain => external Hardware (so many different Synths in use/Channel Strips, PreAmps, Mixing Console/EQing/Single-Band or MultibandCompressor/Maximizer/Effects/etc), A/D-Interfaces & Audio Recording Cards (Motu, M-Audio, RME etc.), Multitracker, virtual instruments and effects, EQing/Single-Band or MultibandCompressor/Maximizer, etc)

=> the bit & samplerates used when recording

=> the quality and right position of the monitors and headphones you're mixing/mastering

 

There is no golden rule. You'll have to find out what works best for yourself. Let your hands (easy to use) and ears decide.

 

Another facor that can't be provided by an "out of the box"-application is the experience of the musicians and sound engineers. It'll take some years to train your ears and learn everything about production and you'll still learn further while you dig deeper in the topic. And everyone will have to learn the hard way (buy some crap, sell some crap, start again )

 

I recommend reading some local production magazines for basics like "sound on sound".

BTW - Here are some links for music communities for information, resources on music production etc:

 

http://sound-on-sound2.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic

 

http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

 

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/index.php

http://homerecording.com/bbs/index.php

 

http://www.vintagesynth.org/

 

Good luck!!! Cheers.

[Guest ReactorBlack]

damn,

Man, thanks alot.

yea i know there is alot to learn, because i currently bought a

Roland Mc- 303 , and without a manual, i was LOST ( still am)... i had a basic idea of what things did because i have been working with FL, for a couple of years.. and believe it or not, i JUST figured out how to use it>(FL), ( im very stubborn when it comes to reading.. )

Again,

thanks for the info.

[Guest sve*bur]

Hi.

 

The MC's a nice box for live usage (a friend of mine owns 1), but the MIDI implementation is very difficult and I'd say almost impossible to understand without a manual. Nevertheless it's fun to use the built in pattern sequencer in stand alone or slave mode.

 

Here's a quickstart manual i found with google:

http://www.what-the.net/mc303/

http://www.what-the.net/mc303/mc303_quickpdf.zip

ca. 3 MB

They also have a forum, but I dunno if it's helpful.

 

There is also some information on

http://www.rolandus.com/support/support_do...0&ProdID=MC-303

 

http://www.rolandus.com/support/support_do...mc303_turbo.pdf

http://www.rolandus.com/support/support_do...cs/Mc303sys.pdf

 

If these links are generic, try www.rolandus.com -> support manuals ->groove. Then there's a list of MC's.

 

Maybe also interesting - you can order a manual:

"PRODUCT MANUALS

Roland does not make Product Manuals available electronically at this time.

 

To order a printed manual, please contact our Customer Service department at 1-323-890-3700 between the hours of 8:30am and 5pm PST. "

 

see: http://www.roland.com/index_f.html for contacts in your area.

-----------------

 

I don't doubt FL is fun to work with and certainly you can make some nice grooves & sounds with it. It mostly depends on the ideas of the musician (some can even make a woodblock sound trippy )

 

Actually I don't know enough about FL - just tested the demos.

If there's a possibilty of mixing down the tracks separately, then this could be an option for exporting the single tracks and reimport each of them (track by track) in an multi-track audio editor like wavelab or samplitude for pre-mastering (e.g. altering the dynamics by multiband compressors etc.)

 

I don't like reading manuals and stuff either, but sometimes it has to be )

By the way SOS have some good articles online re. the usage of dynamic modellers like compressors etc.

 

www.sospubs.co.uk

or http://www.soundonsound.com/

 

View "ARTICLES" -> there's a large database for TECHNIQUE (Sound Workshops) online. Covering workshops on

* Effects/Processing

* Recording/Mixing

* Composing/Arranging

* Mastering

* Synthesis includes the ever-popular 'Synth Secrets' series

* Sampling

and many more.

 

Cheers.

[Guest ben]

the bands u mentionned use cubase or logic for the most part...

then they have a nice mixer and nice monitors, some synths like nord lead, virus, roland jp 8000 or some analog synths... and nowadays they probably use plug-ins a lot too... but mostly they know compressors, Eq and all the technical stuffs pretty well ....

 

basically my tip to u would be to invest in a good computer..then get cubase or logic and start playing with it.. i really improved my sound when i moved from reason to logic... then get some good plug-ins like absynth, fm 7, vb-1 for bass, pro-53, tao pro, and some fx and give it a go..

hope i was helpful..

 

ben

[Guest psy dude sam]

dude,

fruity loops is a good software.

what i feel is there r lots of stuffs v gotta learn. everytime u work , u'll find somethin new.

all u gotta do is to keep on workin with it. u'll surely get better day by day.

i'd suggest cubase too. thats also a cool software.

u know, ,it doesn't matter what software u use........., all it matters is ur musical taste n ur intrest to get to the deepest part of music. u'll win dude.

god bless.

peace on earth.

luv,

sam

[Guest Super-Trance-Man]

You're all going the wrong way!

I use the Windows sound recorder and the windows volume control. Man you can make some SICK tunes with those tools! I sent 65 of my tracks, which i produced in like 2 hours BTW, to Infected Mushroom and they kept begging me to join their team. I am the BEST. Admit defeat and bow down to the MASTER of PSY-TRANCE..... OH! By the way... a HEX editor is the bomb as well.... I do all my squeeky synth work with a hex editor and a batch file. You should look into batch files they are soooo much better than that cubase shit.

- anywayz, i'm sure this was helpful, but you'll never be as good as me!

[Guest responsius]

I think you should get a new pc first! Then a good audio card or interface, a midi controller and good monitors to configure a basic system (you don´ t need a mixer in the beginning). There are prices for mostly every budget.

My advice for software:

synths: GreenOak Crystal is free and sounds good, but it needs a lot of cpu and is a bit hard to use. Absynth, Tera and z3ta+ have the best sound quality. Reaktor is very good too, but not for beginners, try a free version called Carbon (offered by Computer Music Magazine), or look for MicroTera, a free version of Tera, easy to use and good sounding for psy (Musitec magazine).

sampler: they all offer almost the same functions, choose the one you like the best. I use Halion, it´ s easy and works ok.

drum machine: Fxpansion 008, NI Battery are good ones. My favourite, Linplug RMIV, it´ s easier to use. Or use your sampler (choose always good samples).

audio files: look for sounds, pads, effects in the web and stores (cd´s). (wav´s, sounfonts...).

effects: there are tones of free vst effects in the web, you could try them, some worth it.

sequencing: the heart of your system. I would not waste time with FL, I´ d rather choose Cubase or Logic because you probably will end up using it. So why not learn one of them since the begining? You´ ll save time.

My last advice: always read the manuals!

[Guest Erez]

I wonder if anyone have comments for this software from own or others experience for Psy trance produktion ?

It seems that almost all the bands , acts use other programs and avoid Reason , why ?

I spoke with members of (Dark soho) who said this software is garbage and saw another band (Visual paradox) who use it as well as other programs.

Anyway I will be grateful for answers !

[Guest ZX81]

Erez,

 

I don't like it, compared to hardware it seems to be missing low mid and the antialiasing is too brutal...(i.e. doing automation cuts to sounds round the edges of the cuts off)

 

Try Orion...It will export at 32 bit and the sounds are a lot nicer...pattern based too...with song mode for compiling)

 

Problem is that it needs heaps of CPU, but I assume you've got heaps of money and can afford a big CPU!

 

:-)

 

Works with rewire etc so you either have reason running inside Orion or Orion running inside Cubase/Logic etc...

 

Peace out,

 

Matt

[Guest anon]

cubase and sampletank is an option if u have access to them

sampletank has a built in chopper and can convert akai sample cds

I can almost get the sound i want but its still not on par with hallucinogens older songs which use hardware analog synths and hardware dualgate

my next thing im going to try is cubase, minimoog or moog vsti with trance template gate patterns

[Guest pedro quan]

Just to add to the above, the Samplitude line contains a remarkable convolution reverb that is significantly better than most VST plugins. I use Nuendo now, but I would consider Samplitude if the midi features improve.

[Guest adam]

Ive talked with lots of producers (including infected) about sounds/sequencers - infected uses cubase sx. for basses (a must for psytrance!) check out a1 or the vb1 and you should be able to get some awesome bass sounds out of them.. it will just take some tweaking. Deedrah for instance.. doesn't use anything (compressor, etc) on his bass (he said so) but gets a nice sound (btw.. he has a nord lead patch bank posted in his site). Logic and cubase are by far the top packages and its a matter of preference. Most guys I know are pc all the way.. however a lot of performers use macs as well.. however a buddy of mine who does professional production will never touch a mac again because of bad experience (but others would disagree no doubt).

You need:

1. A new fast system

2. Lots of virtual synths. See absynth and also try vb1 and a1 for bass lines.

3. Get a decent soundcard (I like maudio)

[AmithabaBuddha]

Im currently producing on Fruity Studio 4.51 and Reason and i only use TS404 , 3xosc , Pro53 , Muon tau 2 , subtractor and maelstrom.

The only secret is HOW you work with it.

Peace.

[Sour Milk]

Hey guys, I have Sonar3 and still learning, I was wondering what are the main differences with Cubase or Logic as they seem the preferred choice around here....