Guest Quazzi Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 So i sometimes see people talking about 4/4. Does it mean 4 beats in a cycle or something like that? Are there tracks that are not 4/4? Could you give me good examples? I haven't been able to sleep because of this. Please help me !!!!!! Thanks. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 I don't know if I'm 100% correct but in the music world this is what 4/4 means: 4/4: is 4 counts in a measure, and a quarter note gets 1 count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeeperNETWERK Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 4/4 is a time signature... How many beats (quarter notes), in a measure. Most "boom boom boom boom" is 4/4... Great example of other time signatures is shpongle. Posford changes up a lot, which makes shpongle stand out for many. Just listen to 'Monster Hit', or 'DMT'. Count on the accent, and you'll find it switching between 3/4, and 4/4. ....And I will add, that's very hard to pull off... Also, 'My Head Feels Like A Frisbee'. 4/4 is what most western style (pop/rock/dance) is in. You go to eastern, they seems to be a bit more diverse.... You can make a time signature anything you want, it's just a matter of actually being able to play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Quazzi Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 Ok, i kinda get the idea. Thanks guys. Peace. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsyKick Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 I can add a few things... The first number of the signature stands for the number of pulsations within the measure. Netwerk is right: 90% of eatsern music is 4/4. 3/4 is also used for waltz and 2/2 for latin music (samba, salsa, etc). 6/8 is also very popular in classical music. The second number stands for the notes that will fill that beat. 1: Is a whole note 2: Is a half note 4: Is a forth note 8: is a eight note And so on. BTW, monster hit from shpongle is a 5/4 which is very odd... but very well done. There is also a few weird things going on in divine moment of truth: the song starts with a 4/4 with triplets (beat divided by 3) and then when the drum enters it slowly switches to 3/4 with 16th notes (beat divided by 4). This is called a rythmic modulation and this one is very well done! (and very psychedelic also) This is possible because 4 beats divided in 3 = 12 divisions and 3 beats divided in 4 also = 12 divisions =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Quazzi Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 It's a bit confusing....... but thanks anyway. .-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bahamut Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 there's also something weird in Shpongle Spores the filtered sawtooth melody doesn't really fit with the hihat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandable Posted March 10, 2003 Share Posted March 10, 2003 I'm workin on a 7/5 track right now... it's pretty damn wierd ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest perro andaluz Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 There is no such thing as 7/5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeeperNETWERK Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 "Netwerk is right: 90% of eatsern music is 4/4. 3/4 is also used for waltz and 2/2 for latin music (samba, salsa, etc). 6/8 is also very popular in classical music." Western... Western is mainly 4/4, not eastern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hels Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 7/5 lol 6/8 is also used for waltzes a lot... dum dee dee dum dee dee... hehe If you want odd time sigs listen to Meshuggah, or stravinsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insejn Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Doesn't Deviant Electronics use weird time signatures? I don't know a thing about this but his tracks has really cool beats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandable Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Technically, you can make any time signature you want. And I'm doing 7/5 =p It'll probably come out as crap, and I wont end up uploading it... it's more of an experiment for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsyKick Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 No man, 7/5 is impossible. Its either 7/1, 7/2, 7/4, 7/8 or even 7/16 but 7/5 does not exist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest perro andaluz Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Damn right PsyKick! Even 7/32 or 7/64 like some crazy Frank Zappa shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandable Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Ok, I'm new at time sigs other than 3/4 and 4/4... explain to me why 7/5 can't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandable Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 nm, figured it out. Forget I opened my mouth, I'm an idiot. ^^; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spacemonkey Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 it still don't fully understand. i always thought i knew something about it,although i knew it wasn't the full deal. but if the first number is the number of pulsations within the measure. and the second number stands for the notes that will fill that beat. how can there be 64 notes in only 7 measures? and why not 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psyfi Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 "how can there be 64 notes in only 7 measures?" well, i'm not an expert but i think 7/64 means that you got 7 beats per measure, each only 1/64 in duration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Towelie Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 The second number has to be divisible by 2 I don't know how to explain it in english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandable Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 The second number cant be five because there are no 5th notes. You've got 8th notes, 16th notes, 32nd notes, all the way down to 128th notes theoretically... but no 5th notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest perro andaluz Posted March 13, 2003 Share Posted March 13, 2003 No, there are quintuplets! and artificial subdivisions like triplets (3), quintuplets (5), etc, . You can have whole note triplets or sixteenth note quintuplets, etc. But the bottom number of a meter signature can only be 1,2,4,8,16,32,64, 128,356 (bizarre but doable), etc. For artificial subdivision you can use indian syllables used in tabla in order to make it easier> Ta Ka Ta Ki Te (5), Ta Ka Di Mi Ta Ki Te (7), etc. The deal with these is that each subdivision has to be or equal size. Confused??? You'll need to study music in order to get this!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest soliptic Posted March 13, 2003 Share Posted March 13, 2003 >>> BTW, monster hit from shpongle is a 5/4 which is very odd... but very well done. There is also a few weird things going on in divine moment of truth: the song starts with a 4/4 with triplets (beat divided by 3) and then when the drum enters it slowly switches to 3/4 with 16th notes (beat divided by 4). This is called a rythmic modulation and this one is very well done! (and very psychedelic also) This is possible because 4 beats divided in 3 = 12 divisions and 3 beats divided in 4 also = 12 divisions Hehehe... i love posford's beat-morphing one of my favourites is in "frisbee" (i think!), where he is running 4/4 with a triplet feel, and then "pulls" the hi hats / synths on the triplet quavers slightly earlier and earlier until they become semiquaver-semiquaver quaver. so its a subtle morph - it is keeping in 4/4, and staying with three hihats to every one kick drum (one with the kick, two in between each kick), but just by moving where the two "in between" ones are, it pulls it from a loping 6/8ish sort of feel, to a really militant, marching 4/4 feel. Sorry for the terrible explanation - it would be much easier if i could just notate the music in this box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PsyKick Posted March 13, 2003 Share Posted March 13, 2003 Yeah, I know what you are talking about. He uses the same trick in the hallucinogen track called horrorgram isnt? Pretty cool... and psychedelic =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shpongled Posted March 13, 2003 Share Posted March 13, 2003 Perro Andaluz, Soliptic and PsyKick... ..is 5/4 same as quintuplets? ..and is 3/4 same as triplets? Doesn't Horrorgram start with 3/4 and then slowly "slide" to 4/4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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