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    Unknown amazing track.

    in Lost Tracks

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    I checked out every track that 6-dimension has released. Sci Forest, Salakavala, Puoskara, Lightaman Jr, Muuvit Gruuvit, Igor Swamp, Flying Scorpions, Exuus, Nano Buds, & others. None of them. I also sent a message to Sharaku with no response so far. I am getting annoyed because I am really curious about this track. I haven't tried everything by Francoise Faggot though... Salakavala - Punis mixed by them sounds a little similar so hmmm...

    Let's define new school :-))

    in General Psytrance

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    Maybe I was wrong. It might not be a big difference in sound (some artists makes very good replicas of the old sound imo) but it's just so wrong in time. If these, let's call them Suntrip artists, released stuff back in the early years I think I've enjoyed them alot. Now it's just wrong and I get the feeling they "try too much", if you can do that, it's hard to explain. I just can't get myself to like it now, strange. Oh well...

    To me there are two obvious differences:

     

    First is the hardware. Not all but much of the newer releases have the same generic off the shelf basslines, a very computerized feel, complexity without harmony or subtlety. I do like the stormer tracks, but I miss even more some of the softer sound & lazy buildup in a track.

     

    Second is harder to define, but I'll try. Throughout the earlier years I would hear tracks or entire albums with ideas or themes that I really wondered about. It could be a track name; a sample, theme for an entire album etc... I think the music was often a reflection of the idea. I don't know if some of the artists were really into some far out stuff, and really believed in it, but it definitely seemed like it.

     

    For example some of the torchbearers like: Astral Projection, even if I'd never heard the music, the idea was something I'd heard about and seemed to have just a little credibility. I've never actually experienced it, but it seemed like others certainly had, and it actually seemed possible. Pleaidians were another one. Any time you'd search the name, authors like Barbara Marciniak always come up. She's writes about all of these out there things like aliens visiting & living among us, etc... I always wondered how much certain artists were influenced by these things. The music was great, but the ideas that inspired the music seemed to fascinate me just as much if that makes any sense.

     

    As far as labels go, I don't think a lot of the older stuff even qualifies as goa. Someone brought up Family of Light; spacey yes, psychedelic yes, inspired by earlier goa trance yes.

     

    I do love and have great respect for some of the new releases though, I hope I don't come off too critical. Very eager for MerrOw & Aerosis and all the others too & a big thank you to them!

    compilation

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Just choose the best tracks, simple as that... :) I don't care if it is from famous groups or infamous... As long as it is good :D

     

    And I prefer real music over B-sides, as some collectors will have that stuff already of course :)

    I agree. I trust your judgement Draeke.

     

    I'm thinking maybe Gus Till, Ofer, Boris Blenn, Four Carry Nuts, hunab-ku, graham wood, Out of our depth (OOOD), maybe some japanese acts.

    The Border Territory

    in General Psytrance

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    Juno Reactor were definitely one of note (and I am sure I read somewhere that Mr Watkins firmly denies they ever were psytrance!), but also all sorts of things such as the Orb, Orbital, definitely Banco de Gaia...hell you could easily say that a lot of the industrial/IDM stuff from the late 80s like Front 242 had some proto-Goaness about it.

     

    Frankly who gives a monkey's as long as it is good music.

    I had to laugh, your comment reminded me; Andrew Eldritch of The Sisters of Mercy would say he didn't understand why people thought they were gothic & that was never their aim. Whether either group were or weren't is debatable, but hearing artists try to squirm out from under the label they've been slapped with I'm sure is frustrating for them, and a little funny to me for some reason. People decide what you are and thats it you're screwed. On the other hand 8 million people say "yeah listen to it it's psytrance obviously" or "it's gothic" and the artist says "no, no it's not". :lol:

    The Border Territory

    in General Psytrance

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    Yeah, I'd recommend the first Dragonfly compilation, Project II Trance from 1993. For me, it really rides that line between trance & early goa - it's still a little bit more primative than what you were already hearing in 1994-96, but it's still got that flavor running through it, which separates it from a lot of other stuff out in those days.

     

    Also some really early tracks from Razor's Edge - I'm thinking specifically of the "Exquisite Sin" single.

     

    Early Razor's Edge, not bad, very smooth; although I'm listening to the '96 released album "Exquisite Sin'. The tracks all seem to come from a few years before; very enjoyable stuff though! Ahhh smooth clean basslines, so nice.

    So many good recommendations.

    The Overlords - Sundown hasn't left my playlist in days. :posford:

    I just received Zen Paradox - Eternal Brainwave in the mail a few days ago & looking forward to giving it a listen.

    Crop Circles - Cerealogy

    in General Psytrance

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    Okay whats going on here... this track is AMAZING. This has become my favorite track, its exactly how I like to hear the darker more playful kind of goa...and I find it extremely groovy, even silly in the most unabashedly psychedelic way ever :)

     

    But there is nothing else like this is there :( I mean specifically this track, the rest on tetrahedron didn't strike me as so otherworldly....hmm maybe because Filteria exists in this day and age. What do you gurus know that I don't? Any comments on this track and if more of this specific style exist? What I mean is...foresty spacey fx, rolling bumbling basslines, meticulously clever arrangement, plot twists, and general twistyness all throughout...subtle never predictable evolutions... I think I'm simpyl describing an awesome track at this point!

     

    If saucers came and started making crop circles...it would sound exactly like this track does :ph34r:

    Cerealogy...what did you think it was getting at? :)

    I've thought the same about this track for quite some time, I was able to find a copy of it back around 2004 & have probably listened to it at least a thousand times since. It is dark, & lacks melody, but it has such raw power and the lazy way it builds I absolutely love. Seeing it released finally seems like a miracle.

     

    I have to say though I've had no luck finding anything like it, even Lotus Omega's two albums sadly are few & far between. I've mostly given up trying to find them.

    The Border Territory

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Earliest I can think of....

    MK - Divisions (techno mix) 1991

     

    Presence - Presence In The House 1991

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OkU7woOQ3s

     

    Megabeat - Twin Beats 1991

    Unfortunately no video available. However, I can give you a link to the track if you give me a PM.

     

    And then some...

     

    E-Rection - Smoke My Dang-a-long 1992

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CofuKaNlmxE...feature=related

     

    Juno Reactor - High Energy Protons 1993

    (^ I think the version on the video is orion mix from 1994 which is slightly improven version if you ask me)

    Thanks, interesting suggestions. I didn't realize there any that old, especially from 91-92 era. The MK track definitely doesn't sound like the rest of the Get it right EP.

     

    E-rection makes sense though, although kind of obnoxious with the samples. It definitely has that early goa sound which obviously later continued with the Out here we is stoned immaculate Jim Morrison theme.

     

    I was also about to mention the "Transmissions" album by Juno Reactor in 1993.

     

    Else, definitely Union Jack sound on Platipus records.

    I had to give Transmissions a listen, I completely forgot about it. I forgot how good it is.

     

    I've mostly been listening around to some of the Acid/Electronic genre and hearing some influences too. Maybe not the melodies so much but the spacey sound, an occasional melody & samples etc..

    early Tunnel Records stuff, Alien Reign label & other random tracks.. xme-automatic lover, moondust, after sunset...x-dream-5th dimension etc. I'll have to explore some of the other tracks suggested; some really good stuff I've been finding!

     

    It seems like the boundary is really about 1994 though. I'll be listening through some old tracks & hear one that really catches my attention & it'll be a 94 or 95 release. I'm guessing that once George Barker, Adam Boyd & Dominic Lamb, Ronnie Biggs, Simon Posford started working together to some degree is when so much other stuff spawned as well. I can't get enough of early tracks like, the rising, anytime, & wizard. Amazing track "The Rising" considering it was actually written in '92.

    The Border Territory

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    I'm looking some of those early influential, transformational tracks, where trance started to develop the goa sound. Obviously some producers had some very trancey tracks & then later jumped straight to a goa sound, which is not what I mean. That border territory where trance & goa sound began is what I want to find.

    The best of the best

    in General Psytrance

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    Hey Lemmiwinks, is this your OFFICIAL FINAL OFFICIAL SUPER OFFICIAL ACID OFFICIAL top 12 list evvargh!!??

    :lol:

     

    Hyperion - Sun Flower

     

    Four Carry Nuts - Hexagon

     

    Slinky Wizard - Supernatural

     

    Pleiadians - Modulation

     

    Shakta & Moonweed - Micronesia

     

    Etnica - Floating Universe, Tribute

     

    Pleiadians - Modulation, Zeta Reticuli

     

    Crop Circles - Antonomasia, Pentagone

     

    Transwave - Sonica Dream, Snow Drop, Vision Quest

     

    Chi-A.D. - Exit Eternity

     

    MFG - To Eternity

     

    Underhead - Whirlrain of Fire

     

     

    Really though it depends on what style I'm into at the time but these I definitely listen to a LOT.

    Other styles I'd have a different list...

    Saddest music ever

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Indeed, but it's easy to overlook the fact that he did some awesome happy stuff too. In case you're not aware of it, check out his Suite for Variety Stage Orchestra (or his Jazz Suite no. 2 as it is often incorrectly called). For example: link link

     

    No, I haven't heard that one, at least I don't recall hearing it. I like! It's good. Thanks

     

    *This makes me want to start a thread on what genre's people listen to most & what if anything they do while listening. I usually listen to classical while I cook, & psy while driving.

    Saddest music ever

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    That's not a piece.

    But I guess you mean Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor "Quasi una fantasia", Op. 27, No. 2, Movement 1: Adagio sostenuto. Popularly known as the "Moonlight" Sonata.

     

    Yeah. I find much of 14 quite melancholy but that particular adagio a little more so. His deafness caused him so much anger & sadness, I feel it every time I hear that piece.

     

    also;

     

    Shostakovich - possibly the saddest composer I can think of, a lot of his stuff is sad, esp, the slow movement from Symphony No. 5 or his String Quartet No. 8 in C minor.

     

    The 5th movement from Beethovens C minor quartet.

     

    Tchaikovsky's 6th the last movement I think.

     

    & as others said definitely Gorecki's 3rd.

     

     

    I probably should have said Moonlight Sonata, but I for some reason I find the nicknames annoying. I think they should be referred to by their proper names. I know I'm wierd. lol

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