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You're Right. He wrote about moving out of UK after the vote isn't it? I have read it somewhere. Probably the Brexit thread.
So back to 0 Neogoa from U.K (very hard to believe actually)
I didn't know that people who voted Brexit also destroyed Neogoa in the UK! Shame!
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Damn, the last time I puked was not pleasant. I caught an infection from some bad fruit in Yunnan, China - but the puking was the least of my worries. I had four days of agony on and off the toilet, and the time I wasn't spending shitting liquid shit I was spending unblocking my shit or buying more toilet roll in epic quantities. After the third day my ass started bleeding and cockroaches invaded my room which I was too weak to fight. Eventually I recovered though and had a great holiday. I'm sure many others in this thread have had similar or worse experiences.
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i thought he was from spain?
@acid-brain
what's "burial"?
He has a Spanish name but his Soundcloud profile says he lives in London.
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First, long time. What was your vote?
yay or nay@ topic - been listening to Schlaab yellow comp for the last few days and it's f'in awesome
Nice to see you again man!
It was nay, alas
I haven't heard that one, I'll see if I can get hold of it and give it a spin.
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i love the british sound. D5, hallucinogen, eat static, mwnn, chi-a.d., shakta cosmosis,... but i preferring softer melodic sound (and the british excel here too) i'm in the mahadeva camp.
what's really sad is that the british with their apparently inborn talent to make great music (also evidenced by their dnb, rock, ... you name it) don't contribute any artists to the newschool goa scene...
Haha, yes a hugely disproportionate amount of innovative electronic music comes out of Britain. I think that the reason why there's so little newschool goa trance here has something to do with the prominence of the darker sound - all the talented producers are pouring into techno, grime and they've been brought up on genres like dubstep, garage and trip hop. All my friends into electronic music like more rugged and dirty sounding music (thus the huge success of Burial). I'm exactly the same way, most newschool goa doesn't do it for me either. Just my personal anecdote.
inspired by the other thread i'd like to add all battle of the future buddhas albums to my list of dislike.
it's also not that i generall dislike all darker/industrial stuff. tim schuldt, the delta, kopfuss resonator, planet ben, midi miliz ... are all fine for me.
maybe there's a divide between german techy, dark and harsh sound and swedish noisy, dark and harsh sound?
I totally understand that - horses for courses! Battle of the Future Buddhas are very polarising and even I don't enjoy it when I'm not in the right frame of mind. Yeah genres can be infinitely subdivided
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Haven't seen these guys posted recently and they deserve all the love that they can get. For me after all these years I think BotFB just "gets it" the most. Powerful waves of psychedelic madness, visual snow and twisted melodies that send your brain to another planet. I'm still tripping on this stuff in 2016 because hardly anybody else has ever made music so challenging. I love the harsh and muddy production.
manuser said back in 2005: "at 1st listen i was amazed and shocked by this evil music, dark and melodic at the same time, weird and twisted as possible. If some melodies sound wrong it's perfectly normal and intentional... too bad the production is bad, it makes ur ears suffer. Battle of the future Buddhas is one of those artists who you immediatly recognize their sound, and this is one of the most psychedelic trance ever made!... Psychedelic... Weird... Enthusiastic... Unpredictable"
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Astral Projection - Trust In Trance
I feel like vomiting when trying to relisten this.
Especially if I hear Mahadeva 95 somewhere on a party, I just go outside and wait for it to pass. I think that that is THE most overrated track ever made. When you mention goa to a psytrancer here in Serbia there all like "Yeah yeah mahadeva kabala kickass broo!"
Haha, I'm gonna weigh in and say that I partly agree with you here. I like Another World and Dancing Galaxy more than Trust in Trance but overall the AP style rarely does it for me.
Agreed.
There are two camps in the Goa/Psy Trance realm: Those who think Astral Projection (specifically Mahadeva) is the pinnacle of classic Goa Trance beginnings and those who think Hallucinogen (LSD / Twisted) is the classic root of all things Goa.
This guy gets it! I was thinking about drawing a distinction between Israeli and British goa but then I realized that I love MFG, Pigs in Space, Cydonia etc.
I think it can be more accurately divided into melodic goa that is influenced by earlier trance, and goa that is more influenced by industrial music. To some extent it's crazy that we label it all goa. There are massive stylistic differences between the extremes of these two kinds of goa.
Personally I'm a big fan of industrial music, harsher, darker, weirder and more experimental sounds, and I see that there are many others here too who are like me. On the other hand, there are many people who live the brighter and more melodic sound.
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Biocandy is one of the best goa trance tracks ever made, and has the most views on YouTube. So many wonderful experiences listening to that. If Chi A.D. can give us some way to support and get in touch I would be willing to help.
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Yes, Genesis is almost a marvel at this point, its so beautifully produced and nothing has been done like that since.
yet when it came out it was "too much" or whatever it was.
I told myself as my next project, I would try to emulate the sound of Genesis.
but thats probably impossible.
Why? and Sunshine is likely impossible to re-create, especially now in the software Era.
And I dont even talk about the melodies and themes, just the mixing.
its like everything went thru a MFG - Project Genesis Filter.
As it happens I tried to create the Project Genesis sound too a few years ago. Of course I couldn't come anywhere close. I sent you a message about that.
I think better examples of that special sound are Intelligent Machine and Alien's Land:
Something really awesome going on there with 3D stereo effects that is really hard to do, particularly with software.
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I think when an animal has lived in quality, it can be used for food and be killed.
BUT in the current way we live and consume most animals are looked upon as a product, not as a sentient being, so I almost quit eating meat.
I try and check the origin of the meat and invest time in learning if it was raised in a good healthy and proper way so it had a quality full life.
That is the least we can do.
Over consumption not only made animals like product, but we pollute the earths atmosphere in a very harsh way. eating less meat can only not help the animals, but also ourselves and the global context (biosphere).
I have respect for people who take the time to investigate the origin of meat to make sure that they are buying from good sources. Also some people I know strictly eat only animals they have brought up on their own property so they can guarantee its good treatment. Personally I don't have the time for that, and think it is safer to just be a vegan, that's my point of view. I agree that if an animal has a good life and it is killed humanely then it is probably not ethically wrong to eat it. The problem is that, as far as I can see, in the real world this is rarely the case. Nowadays most small farms have disappeared and instead the food we buy comes from huge industrial operations where the individual life of the animal is meaningless.
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Lol def A.I.
anyway what u said about genesis is spot on, also my fav from them by far, and i recently said almost what you said, almost exactly, few months ago in the mfg thread
sunshine even captured me back when i was in love with ap, just cause it was in that mfg/ap megamix.
dont remember year it came out. but didnt venture deeper into genesis until years later.
Yes I just found your post, wow we both said the same thing and singled out Sunshine as perhaps the most mindblowing example of this dark style (hehe). I think the muddy production works really well on that track, it sounds so good after listening to too much ultra clear polished produced modern music.
Are there any neogoa artists who sound anything like this?
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I disagree. It may not be as good as his first one, but it has some great tracks. His third album though was crap (minus the Alien Pump remix).
You're right, I just gave it a spin and it's better than I remembered, especially the track "Raw".
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This is again one of those topics that:
1. Reminds me that I still should get (at least) the 2 first Oforia albums...
2. Makes me wonder again why so few artists these days attempt to create something similar th the artists/albums mentioned. Is it that nowadays the moment you try to turn your music in a (for the lack of a better description) nastier direction it all turns to darkpsy or twilight fullon or something. Maybe some day when my inspiration returns I'll get to it
The Lone Deranger has been a long time favourite of mine and was nothing short of love at first sight (or rather, "first listen"). Project Genesis had the same effect but I only bought it a few years ago. Pigs In Space I also only bought a few years ago and it still needs to grow on me (actually I'm going to listen to it right now).
Number 2 is a very relevant question, almost all neogoa follows the Astral Projection school of goa rather than the MFG school of goa. I honestly think it's mostly due to the fact that it's damn hard to make music like MFG and Oforia, especially without analogue equipment. Perhaps when people try it ends up sounding like twilight fullon with a fat kick and bass hogging the soundscape rather than the intricate twisted sci-fi effects that those artists used. But that's not to discourage you - I would like to hear your productions when you come round to giving it a shot!
Also don't get Oforia's 2nd album - I think when talking about Ofer we are talking about the pre-1999 oldschool stuff, much of the stuff he produced after that is amazingly poor.
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On 4/7/2016 at 10:22 AM, astralprojection said:
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MFG indeed, took a very long time for me to appreciate also, for similar reasons.
Very alien sound (especially Genesis) and ahead of its time a bit.
Hallucinogen though, my first experience was Gamma Goblins 2 - had NO Idea that was the same genre as Space Dwarves which was my current fav at the time.
Thought it was some trippy acid fucked up track, that gamma goblins 2. It has since release grew on me to the point of being his best track.
and I TOTALLY hear it differntly now than then.
Back then all you heard were the very very wierd melody/theme of the track, and ofc the "fucked up" sample at the beginning.
All I knew was that it was amazing on shrooms and any other drug for that matter. Really challenged your psyche.
It was like a 1v1.
GNOTR - Klunk is similar for me. Amazing track, prob their best, but at the time of release again, was very wierd track when used to something like Space dwarves and Spiritual Healing, Yahel, and AP.
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i mean back in 98/99, who the hell expects tracks like the Pigs in Space album, Gamma Goblins 2, etc, when u used to the soft spoken melodies of AP, Yahel and others.
Project Genesis is my favourite album by MFG. It sounds like they took all the great ideas from before and made them even more focussed and intense. Especially Why?, that's transcendent, serious and spiritual music, and Sunshine, which sounds like being trapped in a jet-fuel engine of a starship taking part in a cosmic laser battle. I've been playing around with synths but I haven't had much luck making the dirty 3D layered sci-fi sounds that MFG accomplished on that album. Unfortunately, like Oforia most of the stuff they made afterwards was not very good.
Thanks for recommending Gamma Goblins 2, I haven't listened to it in a long time... that track is DEEP. Personally my favourite Hallucinogen track is Orphic Thrench but I may have to reconsider...
Exactly, I think that in the early years of goa some people overlooked the darker artists because they lacked the soaring melodies of AP etc. You can see that in the original review threads on this forum. But 15 years later, looking back, I think that Pigs in Space and others comes out on top, and sounds most fresh. Or it may just be that these artists have more appeal to people who are more into the scene?
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On 4/6/2016 at 4:45 PM, astralprojection said:
couldnt have said it better. u sure u not my A.I soon to become skynet?
no really, Solar has always been that one "Acid Goa" track together with "I Feel" by SUN Project that I always shared whenever possible and played alot during the days.
pigs in space though except solar, didnt get much plays cause of the alien sound. we werent used to it, it was to hi tech for us
so sadly that album didnt get enough plays back then. but now i appreciate the hell out of it. not one single bad track.
i almost feel now that Solar is the poorer track even though its an AcidGoa wonder.
@ 02:16 - bring it home now Ofer.
(it doesnt even sound like Acid in the "normal" regard like Solar Quest for example. It was a brand new type of 303 style.)
In fact, it wasnt even a TB303 probably
alot of synths back then could "emulate" closely the sound of Acid , but the TB303 is way to recognizable, so if this really is the TB303? He tweaked the fuck out of it and added lots of different FX on it to mask the identification of the TB303)
Yeah I'm your AI, your psychedelic double. I'm with you all the way. I was trained on those big goa melody lines so the first time I heard Pigs in Space I thought it was too dark and powerful... but the more I got into goa and psy music and the more I began to appreciate the details and intensity, and I realized that Ofer is the king. Mind you I went through a similar process with Hallucinogen and MFG... like good beer the greatest artists are an acquired taste. They grow on every listen and soon most other music - even other goa - sounds flat and unchallenging in comparison.
I also tried to mentally rank the tracks in Pigs in Space, but unlike 99% of albums it's impossible, every track is equally brilliant, except perhaps Now and Beyond not as good as the others. Check out that crazy melody on Heliolatry 05:23.
Agreed, the original TB-303 is quite limited, he probably used one of the many emulators to get that sweet sound in Solar.
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i love pigs in space that album is so unique and techy, and yet goa.
There's also a lot of psytrance in there even though the album was released in 1998, to artists like Ofer genres and boundaries are meaningless, he smashes through them with his raw alien sound. Just listen to the way he uses the 303 on the Pigs in Space - Solar track, he takes the elements of goa and uses them his own way to maximum effect.
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Ofer is a legend. Quite possibly one of the three most talented Goa producers ever.
That's such a hard call! There are so many. Then again, Ofer may be the artist with the strongest case to make. He forged a totally unique sound with weird metallic alien sounds that guarantee to fry your braincells every time. Nobody else sounds like him, because it's much easier to produce melodic morning goa than the kind of violent intergalactic pulsing mindfucking maximum intensity stuff that he made.
Forget to mention that he was also involved in three of the best oldschool Israeli groups Sound Pollution, Indoor and Phreaky.
The following massive dose of adrenaline delivered directly to the intercranial cortex is not given enough love here:
Also check out this raw stomping lesser-known track by him:
Recommend reading about the Tandu, if you can, while listening to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandu
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still banging oforia from time to time. big troubles, solar, maximiser, some tandu stuff, def unique style.
machinegoa.
15 year necropost
Yeah me too. Ofer was one of the best and most original goa artists - influenced more by Industrial music than trance, like MFG. The Pigs in Space album is simply fantastic, and Tandu's Alien Pump and New Aura are both 10/10.
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Ha, this was from serbian TV back in 90s... and i know one of the guys who worked on trance program here... i will ask him!
Any progress? This is a really sweet track, I'd love to know the artist too.
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What subgenre was it? I know an acid ambient track with a similar sample but it's probably not what you're looking for. PsyDB turns up no goa tracks matching the sample.
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they are not separate facts. they are one and the same fact. with a child mortality rate of today you'd have a life expectancy pretty close to what we have today 100 years ago. if you were an 18-year old man (women were worse off due to complications with childbirth) in 1900 you could expect to live to around 70 years old, just as you could if you lived thousand years ago or in babylonian times.
the big difference is really just child mortality, which we have dropped to almost zero with hygiene, antibiotics and vaccinations (especially with the eradication of smallpox). the greeks (i think?) wouldn't even consider a child to be truly part of their family until it had survived smallpox.
I noticed that too after I posted but then I did some research and found out that it is not really true:
"Yes, the decline of child mortality matters a lot for the increase of life expectancy. But as this chart shows there is much more to it...
Child mortality is defined as the number of children dying before their 5th birthday. To see how life expectancy has improved without taking child mortality into account we therefore have to look at the prospects of a child who just survived their 5th birthday: In 1845 a 5-year old had a expectancy to live 55 years. Today a 5-year old can expect to live 82 years. An increase of 27 years." (source)So to make a rough guess that's still a 20 year increase in life expectancy since 1900 after ruling out the increase caused by far lower infant mortality.Anyway, to return to the original topic of the thread, farm animals' lifespans have, on the other hand, been going way down since 1900. Animals are pumped full of growth hormones and food and killed as soon as they reach a certain age and weight at an extremely young age. It just isn't profitable to keep them around for longer.
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@Acid Brain - where are you from.?
All that you said about the "great things" that are achieved made me laugh. All that came at hefty cost!
And probably from a 3rd world country.
Doubt you would be so optimistic if you were one of the refugees that was fleeing because a human with a brilliant brain that kills in the name of a god is pointing a gun at him. The world is not as happy as you think. Depends where you live. Here in Serbia there are so many miserable and poor people.
Im not purely melancholic and destructive as I may seem from writting this. I do have a big problem with the way society works however.
And I value all the cool stuff that humans do, but they do not outweigh the negatives. And being aware of that doesnt make one a pessimist.
I absolutely agree with you both that progress has come at a big price, and that one's happiness in life still depends a lot on where one is born. Some people are lucky and others are not. What I am stating is that the world has recently improved massively in almost all places, so the likelihood of living a happy life is far greater than it was 100 years ago. This is not just an opinion, it is backed up by a lot of evidence.
For example: In 1900 the world average life expectancy was 31 years. In 2010 the world average life expectancy was 67.2 years.
Human lifespan has more than doubled in 100 years! 100 years ago, it was absolutely normal to live a life plagued by disease and hunger and die at age 31. Now people in almost every country in the world can expect far, far better. Check out this graph.
Another fact: over the last 200 years global child mortality has dropped from roughly 33% to less than 5%.
These are facts to celebrate. True, life still sucks for many, many people. But on the whole the world is becoming a far better place.
If yes, then you are a hypocrite. All the goodie goodie things that you described have been made possible at a price of millions of innocent lives. So I dont think its right of you to say what you did.
Myself and many other people are ashamed of the colonial history of the European empires. Please remember that what I am saying would still apply if I was living in Chile or Finland or many other countries in the world. Being a hypocrite is saying one thing and doing another. We should be opposed to the exploitation and suffering of others, and work hard to stop things like slavery and the torture of animals (for instance), but that should not stop us from feeling positive that all people's prospects on Earth are generally improving.
Enjoy your X-Dream concert MrAnarchy!
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When I said that "Animals do it" my point wasnt to say that just because animals do it, its also morally acceptible. My point was to say that there is no morals. For me atleast.
There's no such thing as morals for you? So you don't think that rape is immoral for some people?
We are capable of great and complex thoughts, but tell me this... What have we done with it? Look at the history. LOOK at what we have done with our complex brains that are, o, so high and mighty. And lets not say "Mmm'yeah but those people are idiots". No no. They are humans with that exact brain. You say animal kingdom is a dark place with rapes, suffering, mutilation and murder? Really? Cause the only real murder, rape, genocide, greed, hatred, hypocrisy and war that I see WE created. Our brains are more imperfect than you think. You think that the fact that we fret about things such as money, our jobs, bills, government and other illusory parts of our fucked up way of living is something to be proud of? We may be capable of great thought, but I also think that humans are the most stupid and fucked up beings of them all.
I can't speak about your personal experience of the world, but humans have done amazing things. We have discovered many of the laws of the universe, have explored other planets, have eradicated diseases, have brought much of the world out of poverty, and are improving our technology all the time. I live in a country that has not been threatened by war in over 70 years, am extremely safe, have a great deal of freedom, and can expect a good life free of most of the fears that haunted my ancestors. There are definitely problems in the world but what I see around me does not fit your pessimistic view of life. Humans have built a magnificent civilization and we should be proud of our progress.
We are two total strangers communicating over an internet forum dedicated to a rare style of music made by synthesizers that were not available less than 30 years ago. Just consider how revolutionary and amazing that fact is and how many opportunities we have compared to people before us.
However, the natural state of the world is not so pleasant. The animal kingdom is indeed a dark place with rapes, suffering, mutilation and murder. It is absolutely ruthless, with predators spending all their energy hunting and killing prey that are in states of perpetual anxiety. We didn't create that, it's the natural state of things, as are diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, and most of the other unfortunate things in the world. Fortunately through our technological progress we have overcome many of those problems. We have massively improved our lifespans and quality of living and it is reasonable to assume that things will continue to get better for most humans on earth.
I simply value all life equally. I dont have that trip of humans and animals being of a higher order than plants. We exist thanks to them. I eat animals, I eat plants. I dont kill unnecessarily. I dont torture. The question now is if you guys that value animals so much more that plants, eat only plants? Or if you are only talking emptily...
So you value your mother as much as a blade of grass?
Yes, I am a vegan, unless I make a mistake I never buy products that contain dead animals. Everything I say here is sincere.
Transwave - Backfire
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You took your time getting hold of this gem
I think that compared to other artists Transwave are extremely talented at song structures and build-ups over the course of the entire track. Bombay Night is a case in point. They can move from a very chilled out vibe to a pounding aggressive vibe quickly and skilfully. Arsonik has one of the most aggressive 303s I've ever heard!