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  1. I agree Delta had some moments, but it's still just psy, and it's pretty boring.

    Interesting/boring, good/bad, that my friend is entirely a matter of opinion. In your opening post you said "All goa tracks has the same goal: to bring on an euphoric feeling to those stupid acid-heads and people like that. All the same, to build up a party hype stronger and stronger."

     

    The Delta is only one example of how wrong your previous statement is, obviously there's tons of music that does not fit into the description above at all.

     

    Simply calling all examples that prove you wrong bad or boring doesn't cut it. You're wrong, plain and simple.

  2. But some other feelings? Feelings of sadness? Lonelyness?

    To me The Delta album delivers the above mentioned emotions very effectively, which is the reason I brought it up.

     

    You can't possibly call it uplifting feel-good music, which is what you originally said all goa is about. Thus your initial argument is incorrect.

  3. All goa tracks has the same goal: to bring on an euphoric feeling to those stupid acid-heads and people like that. All the same, to build up a party hype stronger and stronger. It's goal, in the end, is pretty simple, and despite some goa tracks have some interesting structures they just mean nothing. It's party music, party music does not deliver feelings. How could anyone party with a music that makes you sad or angry?

     

    Some goa music can also have a goal to produce interesting unusual sounscapes, but they too serve the same objective to put people more and more into party-mode. So Goa music is NOT emotional music, that's just bullshit. If you can't get any emotions out of any other music you just are emotionally disabled, blinded by the goa drug, or unreachable for the emotions in the music, in other words non-musical person, and then you should not judge any music 'cause you're a musical idiot.

     

    Give me an example of goa track that delivers emotions to you.

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    Listen to 'The Delta - Send in... Send Back' (the album) and say that again with a straight face. :)

  4. Here's some google results for "euro trance"

     

    DJ's like Paul Oakenfold, Sasha and John Digweed started to open the eyes of the clubbing population to what would probably be best now described as euro trance: epic winding tracks with monumental breakdowns and uplifting lead lines culminating in the ATB and Delirium sounds of 2000.

     

    Euro Trance

     

    A central, neutral form of trance which is probably the simplest to understand. Euro trance is often very uplifting, it is usually around 140 - 145 bpm and has a lot of big rifts. The bass is generally quite heavy and it will often have a female vocal. Due to the big rifts, breakdowns and vocals this style of trance can also be referred to as commercial trance. This form of trance definitely falls into the instant "feel good" category - for many trance-heads, this is how it all started. Currently much harder edged Euro Trance is being referred to as "Hard Trance", in many ways it is similar to Euro, with big, but usually not so "euphoric", rifts and a bit faster, usually around 145 - 150 bpm, often using acid lines.

     

    http://www.moodbook.com/music/trance.html#euro-trance

    Trance is the name applied to a type of House music that tends to be faster than normal, rarely features vocals and is built around layers of shimmering, intertwining synthesizer riffs. This branch of house can itself be divided into sub-genres such as psychedelic or "psy-trance", acid trance, euro-trance and Goan trance. The sound originally developed in the techno clubs of Germany (particularly Frankfurt) and then Holland, with Jam And Spoon providing the first big trance hits in 1992 with a remix of "Age Of Love" and their own "Stella". The psychedelic strand of trance developed at the outdoor raves in Goa, on the west coast of India. Like the island of Ibiza, the area has long been part of the latter day 70s "Hippie Trail", a popular destination for those seeking an alternative approach to life and spirituality as well as a free-and-easy attitude. It was the Goan form that emphasised the spiritual element of the trance experience, incorporating imagery from Buddhism and Hinduism. Many visitors from around the world visited Goa in the early to mid-90s to experience the exciting new sound of dance music. London clubs such as Escape to Samsara and Return To The Source successfully recreated the Goan sound and atmosphere if not the Indian weather. Several UK DJs also visited Goa, notably Oakenfold, Paul and Danny Rampling, who began including the sound in their own sets in the UK. Oakenfold was particularly taken with it and his sets continue to be infused with the trance sound, albeit with a more European feel, rather than the Goan sound. His label Perfecto Records included a trance off-shoot, Perfecto Fluoro. Trance remains especially popular in Germany, Italy, Israel and Holland, where much European trance (or "euro" trance) is produced. Amsterdam clubs such as Trance Buddha have also been influential in shaping the sound of dancefloors in the UK and the USA. Euro-trance has filtered into the mainstream, with many of the UK's major clubs, such as Cream and Gatecrasher making it a central part of their sound. Gatecrasher, in particular, has long championed the music, bringing Germans Dyk, Paul Van and DJ Taucher to the club, and more recently, Dutchman DJ Tiësto and the Israeli team Jez And Choopie. The Dutch sound tends to be melodic and riff-based, whereas the German and Italian sound is harder and more percussion-based. Israel seems to favour the psudo psychedelic sound, as practised by its highly regarded countrymen, Astral Projection (The). German DJ Andre Tanneberger, recording as ATB, enjoyed massive crossover success when his "9pm (Till I Come)" topped the UK charts in 1999.

     

    http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:ejgdS...ro+trance&hl=en

    http://www.thedisc.net/selection.php?stock...&genre=27&new=0

     

    etc...

  5. Did you just feel a need to say that or is it somehow related to the subject?

    Both, actually. Particularly I felt it's worth pointing out because it's such a good example of your way of thinking.

     

    Besides, I don't call those who deserve it morons because of their opinions, but their way to express them.

    You have a problem with humorous way of expression? I take it you don't read psyreviews.com either then...

     

    In my opinion Ishkur does excellent job on such a difficult topic in showing some light into the genres in electronica.

     

    By all means, let's see the almighty Cinos' version of the subject.

  6. Trance is what we would call the umbrella of it "all". Eurotrance is the more "softer" xtc trance that Tiesto (like Redeemer said) ruined. Why? Because eurotrance became (to) big with his name. So others wanted to make eurotrance, mostly people who seemingly should be making Eurodance. Lasgo ect ect ect ect.. are not making Eurotrance .. They are/where making Eurotrancedance.

    That is very well put and very much the way I see it. Sure some artists may have more the eurodance/europop flavour in their music than others, but that doesn't make it entirely different genre just even more commercial and cheesy version of it.

     

    Oh.. And Cinos is right in one thing.. Goa and trance are connected. No matter what you say Redeemer. And we see both in past, present and futhure that they are mixed in each other. They all have the same father. Called "Electronica" :P

    I never claimed otherwise! Of course goa *trance* is trance also. But I'm not the one who calls people morons just because they have a different view on some small detail like what some genre should be called. :)

  7. Oh, yes it is. As Sherlock said, there's no exact science in classifying. So Tiesto is just as much goa as it is eurotrance.

    You're entitled to your opinion, although you seem to be a bit confused and contradicting with your previous comments.

  8. No, I mean stubbornly arguing about something you know isn't correct.

    Oh, that's what you're doing. Ok then. :(

     

    Ok, why don't we call Tiesto goa while we're at it?

    Hmmmm... Because it isn't?

     

    Ok, ebough arguing with the kids, I let you to enjoy your Tiestos now. ;)

  9. Really, your attitude is annoying.

    What attitude? You mean disagreeing with you? :blink:

     

    That was trance, yes, but it doesn't make Tiesto NOT trance.  :rolleyes:

     

    ...nor does a difference in music mean that they must be in different genres. Well, call it what you will, it's all the same commercial clubtrance/eurotrance to me. :)

  10. you cant say that. the difference between the delta and the green nuns is not as extreme as say, lasgo and tiesto.

     

    tiesto USED to actually be alright back in like 98 / 99 etc.  largo is just vile i-dont-wanna-leave-you-coz-i-love-you-too-much-baby commercial eurotrance crap.

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    Well, I don't know lasgo so I can't comment, but seriously it can't get much more commercial than Tiesto.

     

    Look, trance is what I listened in the EARLY nineties (not '99 ffs), like:

    http://www.discogs.com/release/54719

    http://www.discogs.com/release/98630

     

    and it died back then (Tiesto & Co killed it).

     

    So for the rest of the nineties I moved on to Goa, but then that died too and I was left with nothing. Well, almost. :)

  11. And i've said this before, but actually trusting that guide is excessively stupid.  :angry:

    Sure, it's not dead serious, but I certainly rather trust it than for example... you. :D

     

    Eurotrance is a sub-genre of normal trance. And there is a clear difference between, say , Tiesto, and Lasgo.  :P

    There hasn't been normal trance in ten years. So what if there's a difference. There's a clear difference between The Delta and Green Nuns of the Revolution, but they're both psy aren't they?

  12. psy·che·del·ic Audio pronunciation of "psychedelic" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-dlk)

    adj.

     

    Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.

     

    Hmm, can't say any piece of music or anything for that matter would fit into that description for me. :)

  13. Pop Stream? Hmm, sounds exactly like the 999999 other unimaginative full on releases from the past year. Blah.

     

    The releases I will remember are those that have their own unique sound, 12 Moons, Juno Reactor, Filteria and some others.

  14. Oh so now an artist do not create the music too?

    I was comparing the creator of a dictionary to the creator of music download system, neither of them created the individual items that their collection consists of and still charge for it.

     

    And as a result of your way of reasoning you have the right to steal the artists music because it's infront of you in Cyberspace free to grab?  I like to see you do that in a store in your local Mall mate ;)

    Copying is not stealing.

     

    steal Audio pronunciation of "steal" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)

    v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals

    v. tr.

     

    1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

     

    But I do have right, it's written in our copyright law under the section copying for private use.

     

    Also if I steal an item that I couldn't buy from a store, the store loses it, when I copy no one loses anything.

     

    I sometimes think some people even wouldn't care if the day came where artists simply stopped to make any more music.  I know it wont happen of course and it would be a very sad day for the world.  But if it happened. Would you be satisfied then?

    I'm certainly hoping for the day the industry falls and "musicians" whose only motivation is money stop producing. I think we would be looking at a much healthier selection of music from that point forward, instead of the massive pile of shit that we're looking at today.

  15. It takes skill and effort to compile both a mix or collection of tracks well just as with creating a lexicon.

     

    It also takes a lot of skill to create working online distribution system with it's own online encoding system and so on. Alone the items are not worth much, but when they gather them all under one, easy to use system it may be worth to pay for access.

     

    I claim that creating system like allofmp3.com takes a whole lot more work and skill than creating a mix or collection of tracks.

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