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    The best trance ever was made before 2000...

    in General Psytrance

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    Oh man this thread is becoming such a drama queen competitiom. And I am a part of it too! :posford:

     

    Anyways, if you weren't there, spare those who were the wise ass holier than thou shiva mantra shanti crap.

     

    It's like I so f***ing hate when people at parties talk to me about the golden years when [DC]'s "Thunder" killed it on the dance floors, or like: "remember way back when the crowd screamed along to Green Velvet's Flash?" I'm like yeah, I do remember, but it happens to be too bad you were sucking on your left thumb dreaming Action Man figures when we were there having the time of our lives...

     

    Anyways, my favorite trance was recorded before Y2K. That is a fact. If it is better than the modern stuff, I could care less about. It's merely a hypothesis. One of the many. Could give a split shit about when the 'great' years were. The great years for me are now. I have as much fun with music now as I had back then.

     

    Can I get a pink chakra shoved down my throat now?

    Parties used to be spiritual experiences, now they are not. You are kidding yourself if you think you can have the same depth of enjoyment of the music now as you could back in the oldschool underground golden years.

     

    ;)

    New Green Nuns album... Hopefully

    in General Psytrance

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    I doubt they'd make an album for those reasons. You can't force people to do things like that over the internet with a few haphazard comments!

    Really how old are you? Can you really be so dumb/naive/troll?

    I really hope they wouldn't.

     

    But seeing how many other artists started making lower quality psy music we shouldn't take our chances. :unsure:

    Obscure goa/psy releases thread

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    Hi fellow rarity hunters. I don't want to spoil your fun, but share my impressions. I remember listening to one of M.A.N.'s EPs in a used record store. It was in one of those bins you would get around to checking out if you had two hours plus spare time, willing to spend them digging through old records. To be brief - the vinyl belongs there. God forbid it ever sees the light of day again.

    I had an urge to listen to it, as I was acquainted with M.A.N.'s music via their tracks on V/A Tranced Out Vol. 777 and Vol. 888... Those two were bad, really damn bad. So I cannot say I share your enthusiasm. Far from it. In fact, if I ever came across that album, I don't think I would freak out or anything. Apparently it is a hard one to track down.

    I think Movers & Shakers and Jordi (especially) are great tracks considering they're from some obscure group in 1995-1996, but I'll let others judge for themselves.

     

     

    The idea that there is some super awesome old school Goa trance laying around waiting to be rediscovered is very nice and all but... I think it's all been torn up and exposed to the light by now. All you are likely to find are curiosities.

    Oh there are a few but that's all. Of course you're of the idea that all goa trance sucks that isn't paving the way towards hard modern psytrance, so you probably wouldn't enjoy any of them.

    The best trance ever was made before 2000...

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    I was writing about social tendencies, not universal laws. You're on a different path, manufacturing self-identity by playing the roles of old school Goa rebel and forum troll. It just so happens that you're dead wrong if you arbitrarily think no new music exhibits complexity, intelligence, and meaningful creative ideas comparable to the acknowledged Golden Age classics.

    No you're dead wrong. Sadly I'm convinced you've never actually understood any old school goa music, since your top 10 and essentials lists are laughable.

     

    Oh, and you're trying to manufacture self-identity or fame or something by promoting newer psytrance and releasing stuff for free on your personal website. :rolleyes:

    The best trance ever was made before 2000...

    in General Psytrance

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    Sentimentality. If you'd found the best of the best today NOW, you'd feel just the same. Quality is a psycological matter.

    Nope. I clearly said I don't have long attachments to some of these albums. For me I try to judge is the music complex, intelligent, interesting, meaningful, creative, etc, there's no sentimentality "omg I remember listening to this on the beach in goa 15 years ago" involved. Some goa releases I only heard this year and I can still notice that they are even better than some psy releases this year, even though they were made 10 years ago.

    The best trance ever was made before 2000...

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    Well, this seems to be exactly the root of your problem - you hardly enjoy any of the recent releases, while in fact many of us still are able to find a lot of stuff for which we can say "wow, this is awesome", even though with the flood of crap flowing in this is admittedly much more difficult.

    Look at the thread title: "The best trance ever was made before 2000..., why?" Sure we can enjoy some decent new music, but pretty much everything becomes crappy compared to (is not as good as) the old goa trance music.

     

    Anyways, this is definitely not an issue of nostalgia because:

    1. I never even heard of goa trance 10 years ago, I've only heard it all after 2000, when it was already dying.

    2. Some great goa albums I've only heard for the first time very recently ago and I can still realize they are great album.

     

    I also agree that for the release to become classic some time has to pass - some releases are so different, daring and innovative, that only few months or even years after you're able to appreciate their 'classicness' - that for example happened to me with Koxbox' Dragon Tales, which I hated initially.

    Why? I could tell after a couple weeks of Solar Fields - Moments that it was a great album and a classic of 2009.

    The best trance ever was made before 2000...

    in General Psytrance

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    Well let me explain... we listened to old music thinking "wow this is awesome" and now we're listening to new music thinking "wow this is crappy". That's what the entire thread is about. So unless you think we should PRETEND the music is good and it will magically turn into a classic in 10 years, you're not really saying anything.

    The best trance ever was made before 2000...

    in General Psytrance

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    Some time has to pass before we get that "classic" feeling from music. I still remember thinking nothing of a lot of new music in 2001 or whatever... now looking back a thin slice of it has the same classic feel that the mid-nineties Goa style has. Today I was listening to Cosma - Nonstop on my bike ride home and I was just blown away with how deep and emotional it is. I think it isn't a matter of the best trance being made before 2000... but the fact that you need to wait a while for a critical threshold of positive memories to crystallize into nostalgia... this has one interesting corollary: if you aren't listening to new music in a similar way to how you listened to old music you won't ever develop anything like the same feelings for it. Flashback to the nineties... if you were going to golden parties and having peak experiences and tracking down rarities on vinyl and treasuring every find, well... you aren't going to ever have the same feeling for a bunch of new stuff you mass download and skim through on earbud headphones or whatever. There is a funny sort of chicken-and-egg story in here if you stopped going to parties years ago because the music lost its magic. You have to ask whether the magic is gone or whether you no longer participate in a way that lets the magic of new music work on your consciousness.

    You seem to be suggesting we force ourselves to listen to crappy music with some idea that in 10 years we won't think it's crappy anymore? :unsure:
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