bwhale
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Haha seeing that post, is like seeing a big list of chores that need to be added to my current list.
But I already have downloaded quite a few of those non-psy things, and will get around to them soon.
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Listening to music is actually like a chore to me. I force myself to do it, and to keep listening to new stuff, even when most of it sucks. You guys should be thankful that I share my research with you. :drama:
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I wasn't...........
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What are you even talking about?
Half the stuff on the list isn't very good, and wouldn't be recommended by anyone who I take recommendations from, only some random person named it so you added it to your list. That's why a combined list is useless....
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Other stuff that's not as good, but still decent:
Abakus - That Much Closer To The Sun
Aes Dana - Season 5
Asura - Code Eternity
Cardamar - Steam
H.U.V.A. Network - Ephemeris
Hol Baumann - Human
Ishvara - Magik Square Of The Sun
Kick Bong - Flower Power
S. Zeilenga - In Media Res
Ten Madison - Avenue
Terra Nine - Strange Craft
The Kumba Mela Experiment - East Of The River Ganges
Xerxes - The Mirror Formula
PS: I only actually listened to about 3/4 of the chillout music so far, so my list is not complete.
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I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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I always imagined that artists would find it annoying if random people emailed them their thoughts on their music, as though their opinion was actually substantial.
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A combined list is actually pretty useless, similar to looking at the combined rating for a release on discogs. You have no idea who recommended what. Ratings are only useful if you know who liked what and how often you like the same things that that person likes. If the goal was just to list chillout releases indiscriminately I could print out my directory list of them (before I delete 3/4 because they aren't worth saving) as a starting point.
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Here's some of my favorites list, since I disagree with a lot of that combined list.
Aes Dana - Aftermath
Aes Dana - Memory Shell
Aes Dana - Leylines
Asura - Lost Eden
Asura - Life2
Aural Planet - Lightflow
Carbon Based Lifeforms - Hydroponic Garden
Carbon Based Lifeforms - World Of Sleepers
Cardamar - Where The Skies End
Children Of The Bong - Sirius Sounds
Chronos - Steps To The Great Knowledge
Distant System - Spiral Empire
DownHill - Silent City
EN Voice - Hall Of Dreams
Entheogenic - Entheogenic
Entheogenic - Spontaneous Illumination
Essential Trip - Trip To Inner Self
Healer - Wonderground
Ishq - Orchid
M-Seven - Activate
Mystical Sun - After Materia Cloudland
Mystical Sun - Deeperworlds
Orthonorma - Time 2 Wait
Phutureprimitive - Sub Conscious
S. Zeilenga - Of Beauty & Mystery
Shakatura - Shakatura
Solar Fields - Reflective Frequencies
Solar Fields - Movements
Sundial Aeon - Apotheosis
Welder - Vines And Stream
Yagya - Rigning
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Next question:
What was the first ever goa trance album?
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This music is not only about arrangement though, but about making the instruments as well.Exactly HOW is it relevant how revolutionary Classical Mushroom was, from the point of view of music as an ARTFORM (NOT as a form of entertainment, in the sense of Hollywood movies, TV Shows and all the other stuff people mentally jerk off to, always demanding a new wave of innovative, concentrated, low-level ideas)?
Nope, it was a joke. :wank:"Using hihats for the first time?" Are you guys serious??
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Here's an album I consider revolutionary... totally pioneering goa/psy trance (more so in other tracks lol), cited as the inspiration for AP (who in turn inspired IM 8 years later)... and look... they integrated classical (and opera) sounds in some tracks! (More heavily than IM, granted.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2G7zZc3v6c
But anyways, I hypothesize most artists didn't use so many direct classical sounds because it's actually not as creative as creating their own sounds and atmospheres for tracks, rather than using something that's been around already for hundreds of years. So I really struggle to call such seeming relapses revolutionary. Either way, I think you will find IM extremely similar to Sandman if you listen to both, though Sandman doesn't use any direct classical sounds. I refuse to count IM as some great revolutionaries because I can point very easily at their influences: Sandman's style + synths from a popular genre of music hundreds of years old. Brilliant! Absolute genius! How could they ever come up with that?!?! :wank:
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Elysium already provided a really good basis a page or two ago.
Listen to Sandman and you can't really tell the tracks apart from IM, except maybe IM has slightly better production. Throw in some of the others he mentioned like GNOTR, Tandu and MFG, maybe Tarsis, and you pretty much have discovered the roots of their music. Suddenly it doesn't seem all that new and original after all. If you've never heard these other earlier artists you might otherwise arrive at the wrong conclusions.
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This is no secret, I've already told you.Against better judgment here goes...
If you really think that deciding which music is more revolutionary (and that's not even the discussion... the only thing we're talking about is whether Infected Mushroom were revolutionary or not, something I have no opinion on) is like deciding which tower is taller, then please be so kind as to provide us with some standards, so all of us can understand where you're coming from, and decide together with you.
Give us that measuring tape, please.
It's a little more difficult than comparing two towers, but if you understand the established procedures at the time and then compare them to a new album you should be able to judge how revolutionary it was or wasn't.rev⋅o⋅lu⋅tion⋅ar⋅y
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, characterized by, or of the nature of a revolution, or a sudden, complete, or marked change: a revolutionary junta.
2. radically new or innovative; outside or beyond established procedure, principles, etc.: a revolutionary discovery.
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I don't call myself a philosopher since modern society has confused the term with pussy. Yes I made an argument and I presented it sandwiched between several ad hominems which pussy philosophers these days cry about but aren't really fallacies. This is one of my favorite styles to use.You're doing it again.
No arguments whatsoever.
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That's nice you think it's interesting. As I've already said it's like discussing how one decides if a tower is tall or not. I hope your philosophical abilities extend a little deeper than this (though I suspect you're probably limited to saying nothing of substance, playing the relativistic card at all opportunities, and reciting latin names for fallacies).I think the whole discussion is interesting on a meta-level. Not just about Infected Mushroom, but how one defines music as revolutionary. I do think that some people would agree on some artists being revolutionary (however, is Elvis really the first one to start rock 'n roll? Don't think so? Was he revolutionary? What does it depend on?) but it seems that opinions about a lot of other artists, albums, styles, influences etc. go both ways.
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So you listen to music with a kleenex in your hand?Thats because you're a troll. Trolls don't have tear channels.
Secede - Kingdom Of Hearts
Talpa - Lullaby For Ms Ivon
The Orb - A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From the Centre of the Ultraworld
Ulrich Schnauss - 50% of his songs
and so on.
Sounds really depressing.
I'll admit I have cried listening to music before, but it was pretty much just uncontrollable crying about the wind or a bug got in my eye.
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I really hate when someone makes an album that's got some good tracks and some crappy tracks.you always seem to need every song to be good, just like when you talk about ishq or CBL, otherwise, you dont love the artist
not because ishq made some pretty weird song, it doesnt mean that he is not amazing. even bob dylan have made song that sucked
1 completely amazing song(...and the day turned to night) destroy 1000000 good songs imo
so if you take friday fall and lerraine and born under... only those 3 songs are better then the whole discography of a lot of psy artist
what, if an artist like CBL made some boring song, it destroy every good songs they did before? they are less of a good artist? I can not think of ONE perfect album from start to finish.
jimmy hendrix is not a good guitar player because he did some pretty harsh solo's?
and Flaubert is not an amazing writer because he did too admn long description in Madame Bovary?
I really hate how most of the pop music listeners just listen to the hit songs and never listen to 95% of the other stuff released along with them.
I always listen to a CD from the start to finish unless it's too boring or bad and I have to shut it off early.
So yea, bad tracks are important to me. And there are a handful of albums that have no bad tracks, and all great tracks... those are what I consider the top albums.
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This is sarcasm right? I mean I've heard goa-psy music with very classical parts all the way back in 1991, so I hope you guys aren't serious. The reason that most albums do not use this is because it's not as original as making up their own space alien sounds.QUOTE (Insejn @ Jul 27 2009, 05:17 PM) *
Back in 2000 it was pretty damn original. Get real!
Yeah, so true. It was a big deal.
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I gave up. Couldn't figure out how to split apart the sections into loops of the right length using Cubase.
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It's not a good quote. I am telling you this as someone who is a mathematician/logician (related to architecture), and likes dancing and music as well. (I believe I am more qualified to judge this quote than you, but if you feel differently, we can go more in depth about whether it is true or not.)I just wanted to say: "good post". And good quote too:
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I won't let you PUSSIES run away claiming everything is relative and personal. Throughout practical life we continually assume that all other human beings have relatively the same perceptions as the rest of us, so please let's do it for music too: let's assume that I hear the same thing coming from my speakers as you do in the same way that we assume that we both visually perceive the exact same object the same way. Debating which music is more revolutionary is like debating which famous tower is taller than the other: it's a question that has a definite answer, and only ignorance of previous musical influences gets in the way of one knowing that answer.But it's getting so personal now... the answer you're ultimately looking for is - music is always personally perceived, and the perception varies from an individual to another.
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I don't even see your point here. Music is a language? OK freely I'll grant you this if you want it... but we can discuss the quality of a language too....You are requesting arguments for the quality of an artist's music. But.. we are talking about *music* here. Music is a language by itself, and the abstract ideas that it transmits (most of the times) don't have an equivalent in the verbal language. It's quite fundamental for music, to be regarded as a medium for conveying abstract states and non-verbal thoughtforms.
There may be some truth to that (I haven't decided yet) but it's still completely missing the point. If I copied Beethoven's style and wrote my own very similar symphony you still couldn't tell me what it was about, but you wouldn't call me a quality musician or say that my symphony was revolutionary, because it isn't. By definition. It's a copycat work. It may even be very nice music, but unless I've introduced some new elements, it cannot be called revolutionary because that's not what the word is defined as.As a matter of fact, I could go as far as saying that the less you are able to convey in words what a song "is about"/transmits, the higher the quality of that music is (take Britney Spears - "this song makes me happy/this song is about love/this song makes me sad/this song is about anger/etc" - and Beethoven's music - *).
That's a PATHETIC excuse. I can tell you why albums that I deem masterpieces deserve the distinction and I can tell you why IM doesn't deserve it. You on the other hand seem only capable of sitting there covering your ears saying "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!" You don't want to hear me or you have some mental deficiencies, but that doesn't excuse you, it only invalidates your opinion.What really makes Classical Mushroom a musical masterpiece cannot really be effectively depicted into words.. An attempt to do so would rather be an injustice to the music.
Also -- the fact that you (and your other think-a-like friends) are requesting arguments for proving the genius of Classical Mushroom suggests that your own means of analyzing music are based on such inappropriate, limited verbal rationalizations. Which, in turn, reflects how entitled you actually are to judge Classical Mushroom
"Talking about music is like dancing about architecture."
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Oh yea whenever you people are wrong you try to say it's a matter of taste or something that's relative, but it's not. Revolutionary means by definition that it's something unique from past music. So you should be able to point and say "this, that, and that are the unique elements that make this a revolutionary album". But instead you just sit there saying "I'm not telling" and "you're wrong because it's a matter of taste", so I guess you really don't know any answer. And someone already said that millions of people find it revolutionary but most of them also never heard of any previous goa-psy artists so for these people IM might as well of invented psytrance. In other words, these people believe the album is revolutionary out of ignorance. Are you one of these people, or can you back up your argument?You seem to fail to grasp the idea this is not a right/wrong discussion in the first place. It's up to individual's own mind to give or not to give an album 'revolutionary/pioneer' status; a large number of people find CM to be a stand-out release and certainly amongst the classics, no need to be bitter about it just because your perception differs.
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