sunwolf
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I rated this 3/5 but I will listen to it again.
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Straw man.
All I stated is: More layers require more skill to coordinate with a positive outcome (see my first line!!). Layered random noise takes no genius obviously. Layered music may still not be very good music. Layered music may still lack creativity. But if it is good music, it required more skill to create.
That music requires more skill to create DOES NOT MEAN that it will effect the history of music more. It DOES NOT MEAN that it will be more popular. It simply means it required more skill to make. Many people don't appreciate musical genius and just like to listen to catchy emotional melodies as a sort of escapism (probably including you).
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What makes the difference between shit and masterpeice?! There must be a criteria.I don't usually put numbers or grades to music. I just describe.
Utter shite vomit crap avoid at all costs up to an almost perfect masterpiece!
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Looking at history = going all the way back to 1990?! Wow....!but take history's examples: somewhere around 1990 that de Mooy dutch producer sets grounds for the entire hardcore genre by sampling "come on!" and "yaaaah!" in his otherwise ordinary techno tune; in 1991 Speedy J hits superstardom with "Pull Over"
What these people did was CREATIVE. In fact they probably thought it up in the fucking shower. Genius or not? You tell me.
What does the popularity of music in the 20th century have to do with how much genius it takes to produce it? It seems obvious to me that it's an inverse relationship.THE insanely simple yet catchy rave anthem, based on the "siren synth" and a run of the mill drum programming... Two years later you know who with you know what track becomes THE #1 house hold name in the global electronic music scene, regardless of the genre, style, or whatever other factor. Hell, not far from then Jeff Mills becomes techno's biggest figure of the past decade.
Yes you could mention Tiesto next... biggest name in trance and he produces shitty music, therefore shitty music must actually be good music -- or take talent to produce -- otherwise he wouldn't be the #1 DJ according to DJ magazine!Dave Clarke becomes the greatest phenomenon since stripped tooth paste for taking the "rewind" sound and using it as a bass line in his track... And it could go on and on...
Well you're a moron then (or perhaps in denial?).I don't agree you need more inspiration to find 28 layers and combine them into something coherent. I don't think that is true. I believe that 2 layers adequately used pack more of a punch than 28 forced out layers for the hell of just being there.
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Yes it still doesn't fully make sense to me though.hmm yes but what you're saying is how to ensure commercial success... dumbed-down music for dumbed-down people, whereas goatrance (at least in the early days) had somewhat of an "elite" feeling to it: you remember all those hipppie types going like "bleh get away with your stupid commercial music, I'm listening to GOAtrance", as if simply owning an Astral Projection CD made you intelectually superior or something... I know that the elitism is far gone from the scene today (well, when the main acts today are basically making pop music with a rolling bassline, what would you expect? lol). Ah well, anyway, I do not disagree with you, I just like splitting hairs
Reason: Hippies aren't exactly the elite class.
I suppose they could be thought of as remnants of it though. I'm thinking along the lines of conscious nihilists, perhaps an attempt to overcome nihilism rather than to find the infinite melody, which is clearly what the masses look for in music.
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I mean based on what qualities?
How do you decide that something is 1/5 while something else is a 5/5?
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Can you possibly fail to grasp that it requires more talent to coordinate 300 layers than 5 or 10 and come up with something that it's bearable to listen to? You can't just randomly guess at which succession of notes each individual in the orchestra should be playing and come out with the masterpiece symphony. You can quite easily make a simple catchy tune. Goa Trance falls somewhere in the middle there.I think you are just wrong and out of place and time with your comment I just have to reflect upon it.
Basically you're saying that goa trance requires talent because it's layered, maybe more than other styles of electronic music, and how more sounds applied in a track implies better quality? What the hell?
Your statement about making minimal and using less layers in a track is redundant. Artists like Atmos, The Delta/X-Dream and Krumelur are structuring tracks around 2-3 layers and making them revolve around stripped down beats and magnificent, throbbing and deep bass lines. The above are just a few examples of producers who kick major ass with apparent monotony and simplicity within their music. There are artists out there who display such understanding of music itself and manifest way more talent and knack for production, despite staying clear of massive climaxes and layers.
And what about house or techno? To quote you: "Many other types of electronic music are just about a couple layers and/or a beat!". So what? Why and how is that bad. There are artists who make masterpieces with two pieces of hardware, likewise there are trying-so-hard-to-be-maximal producers who think that keeping a track always busy will make listeners think how they're packed with ideas. Right.
Sometimes, less is just more. If you have talent and know your shit, you don't need 28 layers in order for others to appreciate what you're doing. Just like by placing 28 layers in a track, you won't fool anyone. You're not doing anything revolutionary by loading a track with what not. After all, it's easy to see through 28 layers and discern shit. Get my point?
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You can't have all... a list would be nice rather than asking people to guess.
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THANK YOU that was driving me crazy.
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Is there a way to change the layout so it just shows the posts in chronological order with quotes rather than the tree of "posts in this topic"?
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I agree they left out the best elements in the end when they could have possibly used them to make something really amazing. Still good work for their first release IMO.The track had potential in the middle to venture into totally unique goa track but kind of lost it in the end.
Nevertheless, thanks for "tubing".
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Aural Planet - Samadhi
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You should search for the movie soundtrack... I believe it was Fuel On and maybe another.Just rewatched the ending was a couple of years since I saw it last time, it really is a great movie!
You're right was not this track but i recognize some similarities between them. You wouldn't happen to know the name of the track in the movie? I was looking for it for quiet some time searching message boards and such but never managed to find out
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That's not what I meant or said.Dude, many people have agreed for a decade that IFO is something special, longtime before it became a rarity so it's much more than just a bunch of greedy discogs sellers who want to make a quick buck...
Anyways I do think it's a 5/5 album (this is a stupidly low precision scale!) just not the best.
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Yes if people have a rare album they don't want to admit it's garbage because then less people will want it and they will not be in such a high position as having what others want.because it's a CLASSIC...
Yes and also rarity is another important factor.
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lol. you didn't figure out yet that the musical level of goa is pretty.........well....it's nothing more then just jamming around with the basics. The synth sounds are cool though.
Mozart is disconnected from Phrase, his music flows and lives, it is much more layered then electronic music and all these layers have a specific function to another.
Every music (sub)genre has it's set of rules. the set of rules makes up the musical style and if you stick to these rules it is just a matter of inspiration and coincidence to find something good.
Every work of mozart mixes these rules of different types of composition, this is very unusual and clever.
Goa; and electronic music in general, is very basic, alot of phrases, alot of arpeggio's, stick to one chord, one scale. There is a musical set of laws in electronic music, but mostly it's nothing more then playing around with scales and hoping for good luck. It is not a refined composition style like you can find in Classical music with complex and strict rules who only the genius can break and bend.
Yes but... goa trance tends to be more complex than most other types of electronic music (that I know of at least!). If you remove the beat & quadruple the number of layers and have them played by an orchestra you're doing a very similar thing to what Mozart did. On the other hand if you take 1/4 the layers and make minimal or whatever else you're probably lessening the skill involved. (You can just tinker with a couple layers and come up with something that sounds catchy; more layers makes it practically impossible.)
Goa trance still requires talent -- there is no doubt about this, just the exact amount! It's not easy to coordinate a handful of layers at the same time and make them all work together to produce something amazing. Weaker stuff often has random sounds thrown in that don't really add to the music! The better stuff is creative and layered and it all comes together! Many other types of electronic music are just about a couple layers and/or a beat! Looking at how fast they get produced is it's a very rough estimate as to the quality. There are very few GOOD goa groups that released multiple albums a year every year. Some albums are multiple years in the making. (Note this can indicate lack of talent as well.)
In the end you must keep in mind Mozart was just one of the best of many many classical producers. Similarly there are many many goa trance producers. While I'll agree goa trance takes much less talent to produce due to it's relatively low complexity, I think those Dimension 5 guys (includes hunab ku and ra) and Transwave are amongst the higher quality goa trance producers.
You must also keep in mind that the times have changed and in this nihilist age electronic music is largely marketed to low class people with no taste. This is most clearly evident in the shift to psytrance, but goa trance was not exactly produced for an aristocracy either! -- though definitely largely for more spiritual/mindful and tasteful people. Thus the best may not be the most popular. Indeed almost everyone I know "IN REAL LIFE" would rather listen to catchy tunes by Tiesto and can't stand to listen to goa trance! And to rant on... I would be an idiot to want to change this because I would rather than the mass of idiots don't listen to my higher music and stick to their surface shit. Also I should mention that many people who listen to goa trance also prefer the shittier stuff to the more skillful stuff....
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I think Koxbox was in that movie but I haven't listened to them enough to remember the melodies.Whoa!! absolutly great track after a few minutes into it! also recognize the end, was this the track used in the danish movie pusher?
edit: replaying for 3rd time in a row, it's addicting
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Where does it get the new stuff from? Where does the new stuff come from and how do you know it's not from the human mind? Maybe you are lacking in creativity but that doesn't mean we all must be....The human mind can't create anythting new... It re-assembles bits an peaces from the world
Everybody copies everybody, but adds new stuff to the copied, wich is copied from ellswhere...
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YOUTUBED... :posford:I like them both are 4/5 for me.
I think the first album is a bit better. Maybe the best track was Cubic People... which sounds very familiar for some reason.
MAYBE SOMEONE CAN TELL IF IT'S COPIED FROM THE MUSES RAPT...? /hopes not :drama:
I really like this track... but the melodies around 1:00, 2:50, 3:something and 5:something sound VERY familiar and I don't know if it's just because I looped the track many times, am superbly out of normal consciousness, and/or I'm onto something.
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I've never been a fan of these two... BURN YOU COPYING LOSERS.. BURN...Uni's "Red Resonant Moon" copies The Muses Rapt "Spiritual Healing" if my memory stands correct.
Son Kite's "Focus" @ 5:03-5:30 is ripped straight from some track on "Other Side" by Infected Mushroom. I lost the cd so I can't check.
Haha just kidding, thanks for sharing this information since my own example backfired. (& sharing examples should be the idea of this thread)
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You have a very good point...!! However I like to think good music is creative. At the least I don't want to be able to tell exactly where it was copied from... to me that means the artist lacked the creativity to build on someone's past work or create their own kick ass melodies and instead just copied what was already done not even bothering to cover it up.Well thats how music is made, someone makes something that is good.. then everyone gets ínspired and try to copy it, then from there it evolves and people add their own touch to it and make their own styles.
Everytime a ground breaking album is released, lots of people gets inspired.. for example when psysex-expressions of rage, came out it was something completely different both productionwise and stylewise and people grab little details, for example the bassline and other stuff, so it spreads like som fashion.. same thing with that rolling bassline that i think infected started with (im not sure) but since then its heard in every dark psy track.
Its how music and art works, the kids copy the masters, then the kids become masters and the new kids copy them
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Lame?
I don't really have any good examples.
EDIT - I don't have any examples as I just noticed it's titled MIX HAHA....
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I like them both are 4/5 for me.let us know if they were any good...
I think the first album is a bit better. Maybe the best track was Cubic People... which sounds very familiar for some reason.
MAYBE SOMEONE CAN TELL IF IT'S COPIED FROM THE MUSES RAPT...? /hopes not :drama:
The "Not as much love for IFO as everyone else" thread
in General Psytrance
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Bottom line is, though, that with two layers you can largely exhaust your options for a 5 minute track in a week or so, while with 300 layers you could stumble around your whole life and never arrive at the best one.