Guest firgo Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 date:19.09.2003(friday) place:Skopski Saem,Aneks Sala,Skopje-Macedonia cost:400 denars before,500 denars on door(400 denars =7 euros) time:22.00-06.00 Go to www.spunrecords.net PLUR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firgo Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 After 2 or maybe even 3 canceled parties in the past 2-3 years,i think that they will finally come to macedonia and we can see(hear) them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DETOX Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Macedonia???? Which country is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Hope this helps: I'm surprised if you haven't heard of this country, as it shares a border with yours. (And save your nationalistic crap to some other forum, I doubt anyone around here is very interested to hear about how this country that virtually everybody else in the world considers as Macedonia is infact something else in your opinion. So it's not worth it, really, just shut up and swallow the pain. You're still a man [or a woman] I'm sure.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fan Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 its not macedonia!its skopia.macedonia doesnt exist as a country.its a place in greece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DETOX Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Excuse me but the country that you are talking about exists officially as FYROM. And before you claim anything else i suggest you to read the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the UNITED NATIONS ORGANISATION in their site http://www.un.org/ which claims the following ... ...The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was an original Member of the United Nations, the Charter having been signed on its behalf on 26 June 1945 and ratified 19 October 1945, until its dissolution following the establishment and subsequent admission as new members of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Republic of Croatia, the Republic of Slovenia, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. By resolution A/RES/47/225 of 8 April 1993, the General Assembly decided to admit as a Member of the United Nations the State being provisionally referred to for all purposes within the United Nations as "The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" pending settlement of the difference that had arisen over its name. ALSO i suggest to you to read the OFFICIAL AGREEMENT between FYROM and Greece in http://www.hri.org/docs/fyrom/S.1995.794.html that states the following... ...The accord further provides for recognition by the Hellenic Republic of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia as an independent and sovereign State, and that the two countries will establish liaison offices in each other's capital. The accord also provides that the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia will cease to use in any manner the symbol that is now on its national flag. SO NOW LETS SEE WHO HAS TO SHUT UP AND SWALLOW THE PAIN YOU IGNORANT ONE!!! NEXT TIME YOU SPEAK MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE OFFICIAL FACTS TO PROVE YOUR WORDS AND NOT JUST A SILLY MAP FROM A NON OFFICIAL SITE. NOW TAKE YOUR MAP AND STICK IT WHERE YOU KNOW AND WHIP IF YOU ARE STILL A MAN (OR A WOMAN)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 What is this? You decided to quote the entire UN-site? The only point that has any kind of relevancy is this: pending settlement of the difference that had arisen over its name. And this is due to whom? The Greeks, correct or not? Like I said, everyone else in the world considers Macedonia as Macedonia. Hooray Macedonia. Now kindly bugger off, you drooling fanatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DETOX Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 What??? You still dare to continue this conversation? Cant you read man?Because if you could read then you would just ask for sorry and abandon this conversation after the facts from the OFFICIAL SITES and ORGANISATIONS of this world mentioned in my previous message.If you dont accept what the United Nations say about FYROM then how the rest of the world,like you claim,considers FYROM as Macedonia?According to which facts?According maybe to you and that false map that you copy pasted above? United Nations is an official worldwide recognised organisation and if they say that this country is named FYROM then FYROM it is and so the members of UN aggree (which is almost every country in this world). You just have to live with that man,just accept the facts and live with it. And who is a drooling fanatic?Someone who supports the official facts of this world or someone who doesnt want to accept these facts and insists on things that are supported only by his stupid imagination? This place of the world is named FYROM and even the goverment of that country accepted their name due to the aggreement that they signed with the Greek goverment. Do i need to say anything more? The answer is NO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krize Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 why the anger ???!! Macedonia is a country, why not ??? I have talked to people from Macedonia, and they said they were from Macedonia , so I dont really get your point man ... I have never hard anyone talk about FYROM !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darko Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 http://politics.guardian.co.uk/columnist/s...1039201,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Haha, brilliant...So who do you reckon makes the decision on which name the UN officially uses? Could it be all the UN-nations? What's your take, does it need to be an unanimous choice? A hint: Yes it does. Because Greece opposes to this, they are forced to "agree" on the usage of this ridiculous FYROM. There is no on single Macedonian on this earth who would volunterily declare him/herself as a citizen of FYROM. They are Macedonian. Everyone's cool with this, except you. What the hell does this have to do with GMS having a party, anyway? Macedonia???? Which country is this? Do you feel insecure, does firgo's post present a clear and obvious threat to your national identity? Or are you just being a twat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DETOX Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Krize i am from Mars. So now you have to believe me i am from Mars right? If you havent heard anyone talking about FYROM then probably you are not into politics much or about what is going on in Europe the last years. I dont blame you since not all people have the same knowledge on specific subjects such as diplomacy and politics. And Darko The Guardian is not an Official worldwide recognised organisation of this planet like the UN is.Its just a newspaper and the guy that wrote this column is just a journalist that expressed his opinion which might be wrong or right according to anyones standarts and facts.And according to the OFFICIAL FACTS this guys opinion is wrong and i would personally fire him if i was in charge of The Guardian cause he is not well informed on the subject like he should. If everyone was cool about FYROM to be named Macedonia then so it would be but since this is not true thats why the name of the country is FYROM.And dont tell me that Greece is such a powerful country to be able to change the opinion of the United Nations cause thats really a joke. And to finish with this for once and for all the Greek people are feeling offended when people that are not Macedonians call themselfs like that cause Macedonia is a historical Greek place and its people are very proud living there and having Macedonian origins so its not nice seeing other people wanting to call themselfs Macedonias while they are not. So if you have any OFFICIAL PAPERS AND FACTS to prove that this countrys official name is Macedonia and not FYROM then put them on the table otherwise dont even bother continuing this conversation cause you are jeopardizing yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciotera Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 this would be funny if it weren't so stupid... nation-states behave like corporations quarreling over brand names, as if they risk losing tourist revenues or something. patriotism is just as fucking bad as religion.. makes you feel special, makes you feel you're unique, better than others, makes you blind and self-content. in other words, turns you into an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DETOX Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Ciotera defending your countrys history doesnt make you an asshole in any case. Its all about morality you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciotera Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 I quote: "...the Greek people are feeling offended when people that are not Macedonians call themselfs like that cause Macedonia is a historical Greek place and its people are very proud living there and having Macedonian origins so its not nice seeing other people wanting to call themselfs Macedonias while they are not." Correct me, if I am wrong, but it can be inferred from this statement that these "other people" are somehow unworthy of the name "macedonian," that they are not good enough, that they are usurping this name in order to derive some sort of benefits which they have not deserved (whereas the proud greek macedonians deserve these benefits simply by the virtue of being born in greek macedonia). I also come from a country rich in history, one with proud people who live in the past, who tell every foreigner they meet when each temple was built, when each battle was won, and when the alphabet was invented. I have no respect for them.. They are taking credit for the accomplishments of their ancestors because they cannot take pride in their own. They have been brainwashed into unquestionably loving their country and having too little respect for others, they don't even bother to learn anything about other cultures and simply dismiss them as inferior, or even worse, hate them just because in that "glorious past" their ancestors were at war. And that's just fucking stupid! When it comes down to it, the fact that you are greek is an accident. Feeling proud of it, is like feeling proud of having blue eyes, it's a bit immature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fan Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 OK BASTARDS, UNDERSTAND THAT AND THEN GO FUCK OFF.THE FUCKING COUNTRY IS CALLED FYROM.FUCKING FYROM.NOT MACEDONIA.NOW FUCK OFF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 If everyone was cool about FYROM to be named Macedonia then so it would be but since this is not true thats why the name of the country is FYROM.And dont tell me that Greece is such a powerful country to be able to change the opinion of the United Nations cause thats really a joke. Yes, the requirement for an unanimous agreement is a joke. What part of the "each and every member of the United Nations need to show their approval" you don't understand? So it really has nothing to do with Greece "changing the opinion of the UN" as Greece IS a part of the UN, and can therefore veto on things like this. And they do; Everybody else considers Maedonia as Macdonia, it's just you that have some kind of a problem. Hooray Macedonia. How about that GMS party, then? Are you going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest krize Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 PLUR people !!!!! Lets try to behave, its just a name after all ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DETOX Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Krize every name has its history. Ciotera those who dont respect their history dont have a future.I respect your opinions but i almost tottally disaggree with them. I am not going to continue this conversation any further since no one has any official facts to prove me that this country is not named FYROM,until then the matter is closed for me. And no i am not going to that GMS party cause the next day my organisation has another party here in Athens with Bamboo Forest and Electric Universe. Take care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hippo Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 and you wonder, why nobody likes the greek.... the only thing that always pissed me off in samothraki, too many of those people around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest me Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 The old greece doesn´t exist anymore, it´s Mongolian people and suburbia to Ankara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DETOX Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Nobody likes the Greek but so many tourists come each year in our country huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 detox aint white anyways.. he's a representative of a slave race.. so his word doesn't really count... damn dude.. take your hate & nationalism crap somewhere else.. if i would be greek i would be ashamed of you as my fellow citizen.. now i'm ashamed of you as a representative of the same race.. humans that is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 BY THE WAY FYROM stands for former yugoslavic republic of macedonia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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