Purple Sunray
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Nice to see my answer was helpful to you
Another idea that might be useful to you: get some good headphones.
IMHO listening on headphones is essential for a mix unless you have a fully blown high end studio.
The usual hobbyist-bedroom-studio is far from being perfect in terms of acoustic properties.
By using headphones you remove the issues of interfering reflections, wrong speaker setup, ect.
And I'm NOT saying that you shall get rid of the monitors.. hell NO! listen to both during mix. ;D
I have KRK RP6 monitors + Sennheiser HD-380 headphone and the difference between when listening to a mix is quite drastic.
i.e. I can't hear distorted kick-drums because of over-compression on KRK at all, unless it becomes very obvious, while on the headphone I can hear it immediately. This is vice versa while tuning the bass saturation. There I cannot use the headphones - if I change low-band crossover (in between 150-300Hz), I only hear a minimal difference on the headphones, while the change is quite significant on the KRK.
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Reflections cause phase effects. If a sound reaches you by two different paths that are not equal in length they will have different phase when they reach your ear.
That's true, but you cannot solve that during production - or how do you want to know about the speaker setup on the stage, while doing the mix on the studio?
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IMHO the sound changes of you move around the room because of reflections, not phasing.
i.e. if you move behind the speakers, your ears can't directly catch the acoustic sound waves as emitted by the speaker, but you still hear the sound.
You hear it because the acoustic sound waves emitted from the speaker, hit the wall in front of the speaker, hit the wall left to you, hit wall right to you ... hit your ear.
If you miss certain frequencies when standing behind the speaker, it has nothing to do with phasing, but how your wall is build. It simply absorbs certain frequencies and since you only hear what's reflected by the wall, you don't hear those frequencies.
Phasing is important when it comes to mixing. If you mix 2 channels, whit same signal, but 180° phase offset, they cancel each other.
Think of an addition of 2 similar sine waves. If they are in phase, the peak will be 2 * original peak. If you offset the second signal by 180°, signal 1 has positive peak, while signal 2 has negative peak ==> -1 + 1 = 0.
Second area where phasing is relevant is the speaker setup. Acoustic sound waves travel trough the air with a speed of about 340m per second. So it needs about 3ms to travel 1m.
Period time of a 1kHz signal (period time means the time until a sine signal is back to start when playing 1kHz) is 1ms. So half period time (180°) is 0.5ms.
Now think of a setup where you play this 1kHz sine, with 1 speakers 3m away from you and second one 4,5m.
Signal from speaker A reaches you ear after 1ms. Signal from speaker B arrives 0.5ms later, which is a 180° offset to the first one on 1kHz => signal from B cancels signal from A. If A signal is +1, B signal will be -1 = 0.
But this is nothing you need to worry about during production - modern array / sound-systems have tons of DSP chips to solve exactly that issue.
> I do have a question though. Is it neccessary to have anti-phase present in various parts of the track
> cause i've seen it in many reference tracks before.. especially when the beat is not playing.Do you have issue with phasing on your mix?
As said above - changing sound because you move around the room hasn't do to anything with phasing on your stereo mix (if you produce mulit-channel audio this is a different story), but with reflections on your room.
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To find out if there are phase problems in your mix, simply play/render it mono.
If certain frequencies disappear when switching from stereo to mono, you have stereo phase problems. If it sounds ok, stereo phase is fine.
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hmm.. i would avoid everything with cow in it, just in case Hindus are right.. drink holy water in case Christians are right and probably eat/drink it while looking in the direction of mecca, just in case Muslims are right
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This is why the scene is stereotype. Instruction videos for new so-called artists (with a bedroom label) so they instantly know how to make the most boring overused Machine-Gun Bassline this scene has to offer. Next up how to make fart sounds and land a release on a fart sound label next to the big Machine-gun/fart trance stars
This is why the music is stereotype.
The scene is stereotype because you get bullshit comments on everything you do, no matter what, if it's good or bad, free or paid, machine-gun or swamp boot, fart or 303 line
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Maybe I'm wrong, but Anoebis, Nova Fractal, Elias, etc are not managers but label owners, right? I thought a manager is someone who fixes all for artists...
Well, IMHO the difference between an owner and a manager (not only related to music bizz) is:
The owner has a high personal interest on the project. He put a lot of his time, money & whatever into it and he might depend on the project to be successfully (for being able to pay his bills) .. It's all about the project.
The manager was hired to organize stuff. If the project fails, he will join another one. Success is not so supper-critical from him, it's more about the title on the business card, building up his business-network, ect.. it's all bout the career.
Already explains why working with an owner is sooooo much different than working with a manager (again, not only related to music bizz)
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hmm.. ok.. i will give it another try.
Maybe it needs a couple of episodes to liven up.
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Really? I love breaking bad - didn't had the expectation that better call soul will be same, but still hoped for something bb-like.
Unfortunately this didn't happen for me.. better call soul is just boring. I stopped it watching after about 4 episodes.
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A flow of sound waves, with frequencies in between ~16 to 20kHZ, where the human brain is able to identify some kind of rhythm, harmony and/or melody in it.
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Maybe it's a cultural thing too. In Israel for instance, they seem to love the stage antics and hero-worshipping, fist-pumping stuff, where I think a lot of Europeans find it a bit cringe-worthy. (But saying that, psytrance is WAY more mainstream in Israel - so maybe that has something to do with it?)
think it's more of an "audience attraction" then a cultural thing. on a 'mainstream' / popular genre its more likely to see all the showmanship folks, while on 'underground' you see all the "i give a shit" folks.
a quote from chris rich that it fits very well on this:
laughing at two people this week telling me i act like i have a superstar ego..
i am sorry if anyone feels this way but i can tell you now theres no one i wish to be less than a superstar, or even be in any kind of limelight too much, for me i prefer the chilled lifestyle and just enjoy doing my art and being around loved ones.
IMHO that attitude makes the difference - if you wanna become a superstar you are more likely to switch to the superstar-alter-ego on stage. If you don't care about being a superstar, you also don't need this alter ego.. you can play as you would do it in front of your two best friends
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I wasn't judging him, everyone has to do what they like, but I was wondering, would it appeal you, would you like to see that from a live-act/dj.
For me, that behaviour would be a big minus, even if the music was good... just a personal opinion without judging the dude, if he feels like it, keep on going strong
I know what you mean, I also prefer the Vince LeBarde style (slight head shaking while playing monster-sound) vs the Tristan style (monster show while playing average-sound). But its nothing that disturbs me, I just don't look at the DJ if he is that ugly.. xD
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You must be joking? Seriously? Says you who has been on about "me me me" for the last at least decade shunting how awesome you are but how this scene has not treated you fairly. You ranted and raved, you attacked anyone who dared questioned you (and if you check Isratrance you still do this). You swore to leave this scene permantly. You then pretended to want to give back by offering your music for free but then retracted that. you cursed the scene again because you did not get more paid gigs for offering your music for free. You did nothing at all to improve the issues you had with the scene but continue to be a know-it-all telling everyone how the music should be. You're one of the biggest egotistical ignorants this scene had had and your statement above proves what a ridiculous hypocrite you are. This scene was so much better off without you. Go back to making your sub-par house.
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I also thought the goa/psy scene is all about freedom and tolerance, not about complying to a set of rule someone defines for you.. someone complaining about that the DJ doesn't do what he is supposed to do when playing psy is kind of weird... turn around and look at the backdrop on the other side of the floor if you don't like the DJs face and your problem is solved.
anyhow.. psy DJs are still quite "normal" if you compare to other genres XD
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typical case of ignoring the "don't shit where you eat" rule. will only get worse.. and unless you quite your apprenticeship, there is no way out, since you will meet here every day
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(assuming you'r on windows)
Press WinKey+R
Enter cmd
> ipconfig /displaydns > dnscache.txt
> notepad dnscache.txt
Press Ctrl + F
Enter psyshop.com
If it looks like
psyshop.com
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Record Name . . . . . : psyshop.com
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A (Host) Record . . . : 217.160.4.253someone block this IP / IP range for you. growl at your internet provider.
If the IP is different, run:
> ipconfig /flushdns
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I have noticed that newbies dont get a lot of help here. When we ask for recommendations or help there is hardly any replies. And then there is all the cry of Psy is dying and blah blah blah.. Well u guys have so much knowledge and can help new guys in exploring a lot of new options in psy, but no! So many thread go unreplied and ignored! Well u guys will get the time to read this and bash me all you like but it's the truth and i dont care what you say to justify. Thing is knowledge shared helps grow the genre but here it's completely ignored!
The problem is just that the domain-name is a bit misleading. "Psy" for most ppl means modern Psytrance, the nano/peak/bsm/looney/wildthings/.... kind of sounds, but this forum (or better: a major part of the community) actually is more focused on goa trance. Open a thread about hallucinogen, astral projection, sun records & co and you will get spammed with feedback.
Pretty sure that the number of posts from radi only on such a thread will outnumber the total amount of posts that have been written here about the names from above xD
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gonna continue it
The "liquid delay":
Sample you favorite synthshot and reverse the sample.
Now put a delay onto it (ping-pong works very well for this) and sample the result.
Reverse the result again.
Now you have a synthshot sample, with a delay on it, although the delay doesn't play a after, but before the shot.
If you combine it with a delay on the original sample you get a flow-in-flow-out effect.. just try it
This also works very well with reverb-fx, especially on voice samples.
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I would go for monitors first, simply because $$$ hardware synths are worth nothing if you can't hear what they're playing. If you use near field monitors well treated room isn't that important anymore.
Afterwards go for a professional audio interface (on-board audio chips all suck big times)
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That's true, but I'm not talking about laying bricks.
There are certain constants that are same for all tracks, e.g. post a track where there is crash on each 3. bar, instead of the 4.? Or where the buildup is 30,889 bars long instead of 32. Or where the snare drum plays 3/4 in between the kickdrums instead of on it. ect.
If you create a track that just randomly plays something w/o any structure behind this is highly creative ofc, but probably not what the thread author is looking for. He is there already as of today. He is able to put his ideas into a DAW already, but what he lacks is the knowledge about how to build a track. So he is probably more interested to find out what those 99,9999% of the tracks have in common instead of the advance to be creative on stuff where everyone else sticks to a set of rules (for good reason)
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nice tip xD he is struggling with setting up the fundamental structure of a track and the solution is to go modular .. "How can I calculate 1+1 on a PC?" => "Get Matlab!"
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But than you don't get it finished^^
I know the problem of Pyrollusion very well - you have a nice idea, put it into your DAW and end up with a 16 bar loop. This is great for research or just experimenting, but if you wanna get a track finished you need some kind of structured approach.. at least until you finished a couple of tracks and know how it works.
> So how do I get a feeling for that stuff? I am tired of starting something and then just stopping at some point because I dont know where to go with it. Is it just my lack of creativity or somethingy that you learn on the way?
That's the whole point, for me it was like:
WOOHOOO blasting killah loop, but needs a build up. So you start to compose the track backwards, which is considerably more difficult than in the other direction.. afterwards you start the next loop.. WOOHOOO blasting killah loop too.. but doesn't fit very well to first and.. oh wait, where I'm am? Is this supposed to be the climax? ... You get lost on the composition, or at least this was happening to me a lot of times when following the experimental approach. Wasn't a problem anymore after I switch order of first doing the structure work and than being creative, instead of being creative and than trying to bring some structure into it.
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Hello there,
i recently started getting into actually trying to make music myself and watched a lot of Tutorials and Guides.
The problem is that most Psytrance tutorials tell you how to make a basic beat,bassline, maybe some effects.
But that isnt the part that i really need to learn more about.
Usually when I have an idea I create all that and then i get to my actual problem. Intro? Mainpart? Buildup and drop? When and what?
At some point i just dont know what to do next.
I tried to analyze other songs, to see how they do it, but that didnt really make it easier for me. Also i hear a lot of ambient sounds and pads in the backround, some extra percussions here and there and i dont really know when to use that or what.
So how do I get a feeling for that stuff? I am tired of starting something and then just stopping at some point because I dont know where to go with it. Is it just my lack of creativity or somethingy that you learn on the way?
the only thing you need to know when producing trance is 32
32beats (8bar) is your unit of measurement in tance, this where you usually change something. i.e.
1-8 kick
9-16 kick + bass
17-32 kick + bass + closed hihat
33-40 kick + bass + closed hihat + snare
41-48: kick + bass + closed hihat + snare + pad fades in
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at the end of each 32beats do a crash, or a drum roll or, ..
That's all you need to know - create a bassline and a drumtrack and use the magic number to create a basic track structure, like
16bar into, 8 bar minibreak, 32bar buildup, 64bar climax, 32bar break, 32 bar buildup, 32 bar climax, 32 bar outro
After you are done with that, safe it as template for your next track.. and now it's time to turn on the fancy synths and start to get creative, you won't get lost on the track anymore while fiddling with the synths.. because the structure is already done.
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The opinion of you two is not of much importance to me.
finaly you got the trick, first time i need to praise you
:like: xDdo the same with the mocking floks
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i really hope that this girl enters "goa trance" on google to find out what it is, ends up on this forum and kicks your balls for posting her photo and writing all this bullshit about her on a public forum.
> In general there are some people that are getting really on my nerves and if that continues, they will have serious trouble,
They will not. The whole point of mocking someone is to see his reaction - the more you get angry about, the more fun is it to mock you.
Kind of trying to put out a blaze with gasoline
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oh, the half-yearly "no activty" thread... was already waiting for it
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Phase Alignment Question
in Music Making and Production/Industry
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> The reason it's so difficult to get strait answers in music production is because experienced producers have realized that you can only really get there
with the amount of experience you have with the gear and tools.
So true.. it also took some time for me to realize that you cannot learn that stuff from asking questions... Answers help a lot to get you into the right direction, but at the end it's always left to your ears... and they don't learn from your eyes reading letters.. but from pratice =)