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I am listening to an MP3
electrypnose - espoir
OOPS, I DOWNLOADED IT FOR FREE FROM HIS WEBPAGE, WHAT A THIEF I AM!?!?! LOL
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The thing is that I can't get milk/bread for free. Otherwise I would obviously get it. So fucking stupid comment...WTF man ?
you dont like the fact that the artists may put use to your money to buy drugs,so you dont buy the originals.BUT you download them ??
totally hypocrite imo,if you think that they take drugs and you dont agree then dont listen to the music at all,dont hide behind your finger... maybe you also think that you are doing a good thing to them,cz if you dont buy,they will have less money and use less drugs...Total bullshit imo....this is the lamest argument i have heard in ages
how the hell do you know that the money you give to the supermarket when you buy milk and bread wont go to drug use?at least you can have the balls and say i download because i dont give a shit about the artists...not this bullshit...
I'm writing the following statement hoping that anyone will read it and not just focus on the vulgar statement I just made:
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
To colin and anyone else who cares enough to call me a liar for not copy pasting my posts from last week: People change, is that a bad thing?
"I DIDNT CALL YOU A LIAR"
I don't care, it's what it felt like. WE CAN ONLY TRUST OUR FEELINGS (or some other bullcrap you've said)
I even said that I wouldn't even read this thread again, but I DID! LOL I'm A LIAR!
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This forum sucks. People are so stupid, acting smart, and when Cinos, who actually seems to have some sort of brain makes a statement that people don't understand he gets banned.
I don't even know why he got banned, but I don't care. It's probably true what I said, but you'll say it isn't and give me examples of things he's done. Excuses I tell you, people have acted much worse than Cinos without getting banned. Examples you want? I don't have any, and frankly I don't care. See you all some day when I'm in a better mood.
(I'm just whining, don't bother caring about it (I know you will not read this comment and still comment on my reply, because you have nothing else to do, but I have to at least try))
Good bye.
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Hehe, I really don't know why, but I had forgotten that I even posted this topic, thanks alot guys
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I thought DJ n00b was an artist name
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Say that to everyone and *poof* your small income becomes nothing. How's that? Seriously man, I was clearly typing that it was a joke but you take me dead seriously. It's quite annoying. And I do value what you do, that's what I tried to explain in the earlier thread, only that I tried explaining two things at once, which caused lots of misunderstandings, no matter how many times I tried to explain it.When you buy bread, a proportion of what you spend goes back to the farmer who grew the wheat. So yes, you do 'feed the wheat'.
Do you like drinking milk? Then feed the fucking cow.
If you don't value what I - and people like me - do with our time then please, feel free not to listen to it. You are not special, and we won't miss you.
However, I value all types of work the same, except for the farmers, which I value higher, because they help EVERYONE. If everyone would share their work, we would have to work VERY LITTLE, and then we could MAKE MUSIC all the time we want. Do you understand what I mean? I really love music and I want it to be a BIG part of society, like every other interests. And I know that it's a hard time for artists today, especially in the smaller scenes like psytrance. But I'm saying that and it's just THEORETICALLY there is a better form of society.
The reason I'm not buying records today is that I'm too cheap to do it, and that I can download mp3s. Plus I've only listened to psytrance for a year or so so I don't really know what I like and not, and I don't want to buy lots of CDs just to buy it. I don't even know if I want to support the artists, because most of them spend lots of money on drugs, which I think is a bad thing. I know other genres do this too, probably more than in the psytrance scene, and I don't buy any CDs from them either. Some artists have too much money and some have too little, while they work the same amount of time. It's bullshit and that's my final point on this.
What I said in the other thread that artists "should make $0 for each track" was just in THEORY if everyone was EQUAL and everyone helped. I guess you can say it's a communist way of thinking and I'm not sure if you understand it. I'm sorry that I pissed you off and that it caused so many hard feelings. I'll maybe buy one of your CDs to make it up to you. That Voice of Cod CD isn't half bad.
I'm sorry for all the misunderstandings, on both sides. You don't have to reply to this because I won't read this thread again. It's done. Send me a PM if something's unclear.
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Dear CANGREJO i dont know your financial situation but you also dont know any artists financial situation,you can guess for sure but you will never know.So you might think that buying an original album is a major blow for your economic plan but when many people think like you and they download instead of buying originals then this is a major blow too for the economic plan of both the labels and artists,labels because they loose sales and artists because they loose royalties and because since cds dont sell so much they also wont get too much money for their tracks.We all belong in the same food chain and our actions affect all of us.
Now concerning the labels first of all i got to ask you to not put on the same level psy trance labels that sell 1500-2000 copies in average and labels from the rock,pop,rap scene and even major dance labels like Global Underground or Black Hole.These big labels sell thousands and millions of records each year and 2000 copies which is the average psy trance sales for a good label is just their promo list for a single release.Psy trance is a small scene with few listeners and i can characterise it as an underground music.
Secondly saying that 'labels eat the artists money' is something to general to say.I personally dont owe money to any artists i have work with,on the other hand many of them owe me an invoice for the money they received.The same applies for every serious label around.Just because shit labels like Spliff Music or USTA rip off their young artists this doesnt mean that every label works like that,if you fuck your artists then you can never grow bigger in this scene or build a good reputation.Have you ever heard any bad words concerning artists money for respectable labels like Twisted Records,TIP World,Alchemy Records,Nano Records,Hommega Productions,Digital Structures or Iboga just to name a few?And its not just big and respectable labels that work like this also smaller and younger labels like mine (Exposure Productions) or Harmonia Records or Tribal Vision work very profesionally trying to evolve and keep their good reputation.So please dont generalise too much cause its not fair for all of us that try to work in good faith
Last but not least what i meant with the Sony,Intel and Nike example is that while you own one or more of their products in your house you said that you refuse to give money to businessmen (reffering to people owning and operating labels) like label owners are businessmen while the people who own Sony,Intel and Nike are not.Hope you understand my point which in fact is that you give your money to Sony businessmen because you cant download a new television set or new soundsystem but you refuse to give your money to psy trance labels businessmen not because they are businessmen BUT BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE THE OPTION TO DOWNLOAD THEIR PRODUCT FOR FREE FROM THE NET.Hope i was clear
By the way dont drink so much and buy a beer for your favorite artist the next time you see him,he will be very happy by your action and will appreciate it a lot.
I don't really want to give money to those other big companies either, but I have to if I want to live like I do. With mp3s I have a choice. (Pretty much what you said)
Nope, I haven't heard any bad words about those record labels, but I think the artists work alot harder than the people at the labels and make less money. It's like that in other genres anyway.
My financial situation is that I owe the government $5000 or so. I don't really have a problem with it, because they're letting me loan it for a couple years with a long payment plan, but now you know.
I think I'm gonna go with cinos' plan and send money directly to the artists, I mean, they're the ones doing all the work. Music is spread through tips on sites like psynews, on p2p network, and I download anything I can find that says psytrance, then I find out what artists I like and search for more. So they don't have to actively promote themselves through labels. I don't know about live acts though, but I don't go to many so I don't really want to get into it yet. Plus you pay for almost all parties anyway so I think it's all good.
Now the problem is that I am just saying this, I probably won't send money to artists. I'll keep it in mind though, because it's a good thing to do. If I see a paypal donation link maybe I'll click it. I'm a little more open to paying now anyway.
to Colin:
I eat bread, but I don't feed the wheat. I don't think cows should be milked. It's painful
(This is a joke comment. Please don't get mad at me for it. Sure, the milk part isn't a joke, but that's a whole different story) -
Not entirely disappear, but some parts of labels could be removed. The "making it available to more people" is just a joke. Maybe before internet this was true, but with mp3s the artists who make really good music will have their music spread and the bad artists will disappear. "finance them" is also a joke, since the labels eat the artist's money. Sure the labels help in some ways, but in some other ways they're just not needed.CANGREJO the middle hands as you refer when speaking about labels are not here just to sell the music but also to do other things like promoting the music,making it available to more people,help the artists get gigs and improve their music and finance them,organise events and a lot more.Are you sure that labels should dissappear?
I really don't get your point. You're saying that I can buy expensive things, and other things I can choose to get for free or pay for, and I choose to get it for free. Now isn't that the most obvious statement of the day? Side note is that I don't buy bid brand clothes, cars... I don't need them, so why should I?And last but not least CANGREJO you dont want to give your money to businessmen but i guess you own an internet connection and a pc,you own a car or a motorcycle,you have a microwave oven,you got some clothes from big brands and you got a soundsystem in your home.I guess you dont consider Intel,AMD,Asus,Volkswagon,Yamaha,Nike,Adidas,Miele and Sony as 'businessmen' thats why you pay for their products,the fact that you just cant download an Intel Processor or a Miele microwave oven is just a small detail i guess...
What I meant by give money to businessmen was just that, give.
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There's a Swedish proverb that says "It's better to have one bird in the hand than 10 in the forest" and there's probably an English equivalent. What it means is that you should be happy with what you have. And for me it's something like "It's better to have 10 beers in your hand than 1 in the artist". It doesn't make much sense, so I don't know why I said it...
What I'm trying to say is that if I buy an album it makes a bigger impact on my personal economy than it does to the artist, and if you look at the big (not the small ones, poor them) record companies that host hundreds of artists, you see who really are the thieves. As for the small record companies, I'm not sure how to act, so I don't do anything, because like I said, it's a bigger impact on my economy than theirs. I'll give it some thought though, and try to research more in detail how it works (not today, tomorrow or probably any time soon, but I'll definitely find out, then I'll definitely tell people about it.)
Am I a bad person?
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DISCLAIMER: IF YOU READ THIS POST YOU AGREE TO THE TERMS THAT YOU WILL SEND ME LOTS OF DOLLARS OR ELSE YOU'LL SPEND LOTS OF TIME IN JAIL BABY!
I don't want to give money to businessmen. I just want to listen to music and I believe that welfare money is more than enough to live and make music. There, I said it.if i had to choose between giving my money EMI, or any of those big megacorporations and any psy trance label, i know where i'm spending my cents down... cause i know who needs it more...
Most psy trance labels don't work with the same numbers the smallers do. Nobody is twisting arms here to sign people for one label or another. Now more than ever artists are free choose what road they go with or if they open their own labels. Distribution for me is the big problem. but labels and artists here are working simbiotically to survive... so please stop kidding yourself it's ok download music, cause next time you see the artist you have already promissed to buy him a beer (or 5... that's just lame, sorry.) not telling what to do, you just making sure you are kidding yourself here.
Edit: I'm sorry, I mean other things, but I can't explain, I'm already asleep, was just up looking for my camera (don't ask me why). I'll try to explain tomorrow my stand-point. Or the day after, or never. It doesn't matter anyway since we don't really have a choice. I'll try to keep promoting artists to my friends and thereby adding little coin to their pockets, but I won't spend my money. HEHE, I'M USING MY FRIENDS AND THE ARTISTS!
What a stupid comment cangrejo.[...]buy him a beer (or 5... that's just lame, sorry.)[...]
5 beers, that's more than you've ever paid an artist unless you've bought more than 5 records. Lal, not like I ever would buy anyone 5 beers, but I'd rather keep my 10 beers than giving 9 to some businessman. Shame that the artist is the one to suffer, but I think my well being is more important than theirs. I mean, after all, I have to take care of myself. Maybe when I become rich from saving all this money I can buy a synth and make my own music. And then I'll have a website with mp3 downloads plus if you want high quality you can buy the damn CD.
It's all a load of crap anyway. mp3 = free promotion so that the artist gets famous and invited to play at parties. Oh I sure know that it won't be enough money.
This whole mp3 discussion is pointless though, because if everyone said it was ok to download noone would buy their CDs and they would die from starvation.
STOP DOWNLOADING NOW, SEND A FEW $$$ IN THE MAIL TO YOUR "LOCAL" RECORD SHOP.
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I'd say thatI am a sharer.
Mp3 revolution has pros and cons...
It's not bad bying some cds now and then..[although even if i bought them i would rip them and share them the day after eheh
]Don't tell me your friend will come and listen to a cd in your house, he'll ask for a copy and you will say "no go fuck yourself or buy the cd "..
"Go buy the CD-R so I can burn it for ya"I don't really know why I'm not buying any psytrance cds. I'm pretty new to the whole scene and I used to buy some CDs back in the days when I listened to other genres of music...
I guess that I don't really have much trust in the music industry as a whole, that's probably why. The artist'll only get 10% (I'm just guessing here) or so so what's 10 beers for me is just 1 for him.
I'll buy him a beer at a party instead, or 5, or slip him a note in the underwear like you do to strippers... Sure I don't know how much work the label does to market the artist, but I bet it isn't much, because it's not often I see psytrance ads
Now I have to get some sleep
I'm too tired to think anyway. GluuuuurgggblhghhhhavbaaaaaaaahhhhhhhbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZzzZZzzZzZ
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Good point. Now if you would release the music to the public in the form of mp3s you'd solve that problem too.
Maybe the time has come to remove the middle hands...Cangrejo labels PAY the artists to get their music and release it so if you download the music from the net instead of buying it then this means that you steal the labels.
Its not a matter of explanation but a matter of logic either you like it or not.
So the artist creates his music and he decides whether to offer it for free to the people or not,from the moment he sells it to a label then this means that the rights of the track for a limited time belong to the label and noone else has the right to sell or give away for free this track to anyone.
As simple as that.
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Sucks that they didn't make up track names for all tracks.So, it's certainly not the shortest track ever, but I want to give a special mention for "Macrometasomakosmos" Ubar Tmar's album with all his 89 tracks under one minute!
Is there any other album like this one in the psychedelic history which contains only tracks under 1 min?
It'll be like "what are you listening to? Ehh, track 41 "
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I'm thinking of buying a midi keyboard. I don't really need a synth because I don't think I'll ever play out of the house. However, if you know any synth in this price range that would do the same as a midi keyboard plus more I'm open for suggestions.
Anyway, what I need is a keyboard, some sliders, maybe some pads. All pressure/speed/whatever you call it-sensitive of course.
I've had my eyes on the KORG MicroKontrol for a while, but I've heard it has a very plastic feel, so I'm unsure. Does anyone have any experience with this keyboard?
I'll probably also need to buy a new sound card, I've had my eyes on the Creative Soundblaster X-Fi XtremeMusic. Does anyone know if this is any good? It has a very low delay on the midi port, but that's about all I know about this sound card.
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from wikipedia:
Eighty-eight is also:
* The jersey number of a couple superstar athletes:
o Toronto Maple Leafs forward Eric Lindros, who has worn it with the Philadelphia Flyers and New York Rangers.
o Former Dallas Cowboys wide reciever Michael Irvin.
* A popular ice cream bar manufactured by GB Glace as part of their Nogger product line.
* The atomic number of radium
* the number of keys on a piano
* in the title of the songs:
o Rocket 88
o 88 lines about 44 women is a song by the musical group The Nails.
o 88 by the Canadian punk band Sum 41 on their 2004 album, Chuck.
* the model number of Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight, AGM-88 HARM
* the caliber of the 88 mm anti-aircraft gun used in World War II, commonly known as 88 (acht-acht in German)
* the number of the French department Vosges
* the designation of two roads named Interstate 88, a freeway in Illinois and a freeway in New York
* the town of Eighty Eight, Kentucky
* used
o in sexual parlance to describe oral sex performed twice (ate twice).
o in online chatting by Chinese people when saying "bye bye", since the number 8 in Chinese is pronounced "ba"
o in neo-nazi circles as a code word for Heil Hitler, H being the 8th letter in the alphabet, so 88 = HH = Heil Hitler.
o in amateur radio for "hugs and kisses",
* in Star Wars, part of the name of the four IG-88 robots
* the ISBN Group Identifier for books published in Italy and Switzerland
* in miles per hour, the speed the DeLorean must attain in order to travel in time, in the Back to the Future trilogy.
* The number on Dale Jarrett's NASCAR racecar.
* the number of floors of Petronas Towers, as of 2005 the world's tallest twin buildings.
* In Bingo, 88 is known as "Two Fat Ladies"
* the year AD 88, 88 BC, or 1988.
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Best part is that the "german" guy is Peter Stormare. He's quite an actor:
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Sounds like a healthy attitude.Agreed, I downloaded much in the past and still do a little. But meanwhile I somewhat chose to support the artists a bit. At least a little bit so that I don't just leech EVERYTHING, after all they work quite hard sometimes too to release quality stuff
Besides the hunt and the final getting of rare releases for not much money are a cool thing and when you then finally got it it for cheap you are the happiest man
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You can probably stop listening to music and fill the void with other things. Music however is, as far as I know, harmless, so it's a good habit.
Anyway, by necessary I mean things that are necessary for the body to function, and don't worry, there'd be plenty of time, like I've stated countless number of times before, to make/listen to music.
God, I'm starting to sound like a politician.
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I know most of you are against this kind of thing, I just wanted to let you know it isn't all bad. Sure, it's better to support the good artists, but if there is a record you really can't get your hands on, mp3 is a good solution.
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Dude where's my car?
- I think infected mushroom stole it and repainted it...
Maybe they need to do this to it:
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There's also some other song (I think it's by U2) with lyrics like "I'm not the only one, staring at the sun"
vimana
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I would understand if it was released on a cd or something so that the artist would get "loss of income", but like this... It just makes me sad