qa2pir
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I used to "follow" old goa trance. Nowadays I don't follow any special genre, just listen to what seems interesting and play it again if it sounds nice.
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10.000 days just for Vicarious, Jambi, The Pot and Right in Two.
Lateralus might be better as a whole though...
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Just
Wow
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This little argument has become very interesting.
I can see how CD may feel better, but for me, I would take it as an intellectual insult to myself if I wouldn't be able to enjoy music regardless of format.
Medium changes, message prevails.
And about the piracy thing; I'm with both sides, sort of. Sure downloading stuff is disrespectful and evil. But such things do happen, and it's up to the company to decide whether they are going to take advantage of the situation (and change the business model, as Buzzwanker or whoever said) or just keep clinging to "the good old days".
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I'd rather have something about psychedelic drugs or space. The religion seems a bit tacked on (but can be very nice if incorporated into something about drugs or space).
Most preferrably no samples though!
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No an opinion needs to be based on facts. If you feel an emotion "gay" about the album, it really is an underlying fact that you do not like it, or it's that you can put this emotion in words in an elaborate way. Most people tend not to research what this fact is, instead just out of pure laziness calling it "gay". Go the easy way, but I don't think anyone here wants to read such "opinions". They are utterly useless and annoying.
No, it's actually quite a useful quick description.
Most people have an idea what "gay" music sounds like, and will most likely avoid it.
Of course it's to be taken with a grain of salt, as is every personal opinion (other than your own
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Prometheus' latest album was good. Also Merr0w and Khetzal.
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Anyone got any suggestions except for the obvious artist albums (BPC, GNOTR, Darshan etc)?
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Perhaps it's made with account for haas effect to enable "real" stereo in headphones? Though that would sound really weird on speakers.
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I like the track length. If you have no patience, then go listen to pop music! I appreciate depth and subtle changes in the music, which can't be done in 4 minutes. Also I'm not a fan of the easy solution: there are lots of tracks where you must endure 5 minutes of ugly build up before you can fully appreciate the 5 minutes of climax that follows afterwards, and I like it this way and fully accept it. Maia is one of those tracks actually: the climax starts around 5 minutes and goes till the end of the track.
Only crappy music is boringly repetitive. And yes there is such thing as crappy goa trance, and no I don't love the genre indiscriminately, only the good releases.
Why are you insulting my patience? It is not relevant.
Yes, only crappy music is boringly repetitive. This boring repetition is, to me, one of the key restraining factors in the psytrance genre.
I admit that limitations may spawn creativity, but the limitations must adhere to an exciting and fresh formula. Eternal build-ups gets a little old.
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I like the length...intros, outros, buildups and breakdowns. In short, music made with some thought. There is no way you can fit all that in 4 mins...its not goa then. And catchy killer goa, god forbid, we aren't aiming for the Top 40. Tracks like Maia are a full 10 minutes long and they aren't boring in the least.
I'm not saying I dislike long tracks.
However, most goatrance isn't intelligently composed. Maia is an exception in that regard.
Most of them are full of bland repetition and are long just for the sake of being long.
And how does it require more thought to stick to an 8-minute formula than a 3-minute formula? It's not like psytrance tracks often have fleshed out ideas and take you somewhere interesting.
(all IMO, of course *guard up*)
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How does Goatrance not depend on the hypnotic effect compared to most psytrance (fullonish stuff i assume you mean)?. I think it depends even MORE on hypnotic melodies and sequences than most psytrance. Often nothing more than a change in cutoff is used during whole parts of a tune.
For me goa was always about the melodies. Sure, it can be very hypnotic is done well but when the structure is drums-noises-more noises-main theme-noises, I'd rather do without the noises parts.
Try some Mandalavandalz
That's just crazy
Nah, they just don't have the goa melodies. I'm beginning to feel a bit radi now, heh.
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1. Constant build-ups and uninteresting BP-filtered "scratch" noises, generic arpeggios. Mostly everything that might seem like it tells a story but really is just placeholder.Tracks that abandon this altogether tickle my fancy, like "Maia" or "Asterope" by Pleiadians. Other tracks actually make use of repetition to create hypnosis. TIP and Electric Universe were good at this.
2. The length stigma. Related to (1) in that there seems to be some need for the long, epic, storytelling movements. Why can't someone make a catchy goa killer that's 4 minutes and doesn't need to be longer? Most tracks contain way less than they extend. This is mostly about goa, which is not as dependant on the hypnotic effect as psytrance generally is.
3. The shallow pseudo-spiritual aspect. Space is fucking cool. I like songs about space. Or weird psychological disorders. Tracks about achieving nirvana through eastern symbolism makes no sense in a genre which is dependant on oomph and catchy melodies. And besides, the space/cyber metaphor is way better even for that, since the music is made by computers.
4. Samples in general.
I'd like a psytrance with shorter tracks, more individual variation, less arbitrary mumbo jumbo track titles and samples, and focus on actual evolution. Goatrance must have been so fresh when it came. Not much so these days. But I feel the musical format really has potential to evolve in awesome directions.
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This album is growing on me when I listen to it as music instead of as trance music, if you get my point. Not searching for cool percussive rhythms or amazing lines, just going with the flow. It's really nice and atmospheric.
Rise Up to the Sun in particular is full with storming lead melodies that don't go over the top.
Merr0w has his own, somberly understated melodic repertoire. This is perfectly in line with the underwater concept.
Great album!
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Zybex - Surreal Energy
http://www.discogs.com/Zybex-Surreal-Energy/release/1239615
Especially the first track which is dark and a bit proggy/goa crossover. The rest is melodic full-on (with capital full and on).
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Planet BEN - Ant Invasion comes to mind.
Haven't managed to interpret most dark psy as anything but pretty noises yet.
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Pitch Black - Sonic Colonic
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Powerful stuff
luv u.
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I think psynews or suntrip records site got hacked and mars deleted/closed the offtopic forum thinking it was some psynews member that did that.. something like that ,at least from what I have heard, i was away from psynews when that happened too.
That's sort of floating.
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Ooh it's on Spotify. I'm off to listen
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I hereby recommend album "Stealth" by Scorn. A very gritty and dark dubstep thing.
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More on topic, i'm intrigued at how you guys have a more expended consciousness since you've been listening to psytrance.
I always see the "expended consciousness" expression, but what do you mean by that?
Do you mean that you have a different, wider perspective on the world we are living in?
Is it coming from the music in itself, or the culture around it?
This was a very good post!
However, regarding the naivety of psytrance crowd, I'll just tell you to accept the fact that most people really aren't very smart. It kinda becomes more obvious when they're trying, though, instead of just blindly following social order. Agree?
I myself have developed similar kinds of values but on a totally unrelated tangent than my psytrance interest. Never hung out with psytrance crowd really, just music for me. Though I engage in some related activities anyway
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It's not very hard for me.
Goatrance is one of the major pillars that support my life. I'm not even kidding. Quite sad really, but that's how it is.
So, to the question, I'm answering with a question - Would I even be?
This is intriguing. Care to tell more?
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I don't think it's possible to force oneself to become more normal. One can only force oneself to pretend to be more normal.
Fake it 'til you make it, kinda. Wouldn't have been so sheltered and, in a way, escapistic as I am now.
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