Djuna
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Dark Funeral called, they dig the artwork (y).
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Etnica did 100% sure... And I am 99% sure Hallucinogen did as well, I can ask around
You're maybe thinking that hardware means analogue, which is not necessarily the case. Etnica's typical FM sound in their leads for example is taken from the Nord Lead, a digital synth. Soms pads and stuff they used are also presets from digital romplers.
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Just realised the link to the interview in my initial post doesn't seem to work...here's the right one: http://www.spacesynth.net/interview/huibschippers... anyhow, just here to answer the question "who are we". It seems the interviewee was not only talking about himself but also his generation of electronic musicians and their endeavor to reach "hardness and coldness" with electronic sounds, "but always in vain" (quoting here), since, I assume, technology didn't allow that just yet.
I felt this idea strongly connected with my own opinion about electronic music and the main reason I fell in love with it, i.e. the "cold" touch rather than the "warmth" of acoustic music. That's all.
For the rest I definetely agree with your points of view and all the other arguments/ ideas that have been expressed in this topic so far
I don't know, it's such a matter of taste imo. Nine Inch Nails use a lot of analogue (vintage) hardware for example, but I wouldn't describe their music as warm. And there are producers who only use software who's music can be just that.
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Therefore, it's actually surprising to see how quite some people nowadays are trying to reach the exact opposite of that by emphasizing how 90ies goa is much 'warmer', how the analog machines had their little flaws which caused unpredictable sound output etc. etc. and which ultimately puts the "human aspect" back in the music, so to speak. But wasn't that what we were trying to get rid off?
Who are "we"?
I think you and the interviewee kind of miss the point on some things:
1. Technology in music isn't here to create uniformity or a common perception about how music should sound or made, it's about having choices.
2. People 'going back' to older forms of creativity or technology isn't a denial of progress per se. Name one genre that isn't influenced by music (or how music was made) years before it existed?
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Well it started as a mix of funk, hiphop, electro and other stuff - music that has African-American roots.
And of course Caucasians hate to make it white, like they did with Jesus!
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If you have to fly 1000 km's to play in a desert without any insurance for your gear, I can understand that you don't bring anything valuably from the studio with you (Well, I didn't until now). But besides that, there's not really any excuse to play rendered tracks out of Cubase, which I've seen a lot. Where's even the fun in that? It's not even DJ'ing.
It doesn't need to be like JMJ, there's no money for that in the psy world unless your name is Simon Posford, Eat Static or Juno Reactor. But still, a bit more effort wouldn't hurt anyone.
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Of course: The Visitors - Tiny Little Engines.
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Yeah, as if frequencies below 200Hz didn't exist 15 years ago.
By the way, what's being referred as 90's equipment are actually synthesizers from the 70's and 80's. Roland Juno series started in 1982, as well as the TB-303, the Korg MS20 was produced in 1978 till 1983, ... The nineties were more about a combination of samplers, VA's and old analog synths (in electronic music). The kind of stuff that is still being used by (modern EDM) artists.
If a certain track from the 90's or whatever year has "no punch" in it, it has nothing to do with the equipment or that era being unable to "have punch". Listen to some funk records from the 70's and 80's for example. The best basslines were made in those times imo. Wink
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Now I'm triggered.
What 90's equipment makes the bass lack punch?Great track indeed, one of the best. I don't believe in too perfect music though.
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You're welcome, glad you found what you've been looking for! I got a couple of tracks as well that are waiting for years to be identified, maybe I should post 'em some day also.
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If that's not Gilbert Thévenet/Asia 2001 then I don't know what else this would be! Sounds like the same style as the Guarana Cupana release.
Edit: found it! Curalyne (Mental Mix).
https://www.discogs.com/Asia-2001-Curalyne/release/183111
I love that style he had, a bit more rudimentary than his later tracks, but the flow, build-up, percussion (TR-727!) and 303 accents are totally Asia 2001.
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"Let's all be assholes, it works better that way."If ever you had a day where you think or say someone is a shit-head, that amounts to most of the evidence people are using against Donald Trump to label him a bad guy. But i'd imagine you may have that inclination to say something to that extent once or twice and that did not really cover the entirety of your character in that moment. Thus when I hear Donald Trump insult someone, it's really nothing to me. Because everyone is basically a selfish asshole. Small impolite remarks like this are insignificant, and actually suggests a sign of humility in the fact that they are not presenting themselves as some perfect angel being without a sign of humanness.
I just want to know, honestly. But whenever he speaks, do you feel like he says Your Truth? In a way that is eloquent, well thought of, aiming for a solution and with a plan?
I can fully understand how you would be upset at a political and financial elite ruling your country. But what I really can't grasp is the idea that such a man will do things differently according to a lot of people. To me it seems that his voters are angry, and rightfully so, but not more than that. They're not aiming for a better tomorrow, and just want a country where you can spit at anyone, while nothing changes.
It's better to Bernie than to fade away
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Agreed! Didn't exactly mean 'goa presets', but rather the way of producing.
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Interesting stuff being said here.
About the album itself, I'd like to say that to my surprise I really dig it. I was a bit sceptic though, because it's melodic trance again, but this time it's with less bullshit around it. It's not trying to be one of the thousands adjectives (Cosmic! Floating! Spacy! Mindbending!) that are often used to describe goa. It's just is what it is, and I like the honesty and simplicity of the music. Puts me way more in a trance, if you will, than layers and layers of melodies that just fill up a track trying to make it coherent. I prefer driving in a rusty but trustworthy jeep than a Lada trying to be a Porsche. The comparison is a bit off, I hope you all catch my drift.
The first track feels like a filler, but after that there are enough good tracks that stand on their own. Good build-ups, nice use of percussion and a good sense of decent melodies. A thick sound, but nothing over the top. I realise I can sound like a grumpy Grinch most of the time when it comes to newschool, so here you go..
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Oh, you made those presets? Hah, sorry about that non-subtle tone in my post! Didn't mean it that personal. Though I can understand from your point of view that making presets is a fun and interesting project, I think that most newschool artists use presets too much in their basic form, there's little difference in sound between many artists, almost no search and discoveries in synthesis, even though nowadays it's way more accessible with all the software going on. One of the reasons I like non-preset hardware: of course you can still make boring music with it, but there's no program that is magically going to exploit an original sound. You have to dig and search. TECHNOlogy, you know! It's maybe not such a big argument, but at least it's a bit more honest, in my opinion.
Pardon my rant, going to watch some football now.
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"Edgy Space Leads"
*barfs*
Check out this beast. Vermona Perfourmer; 4 voiced analogue oscillator, each voice has its own filter, envelopes and LFO. Synthesis heaven!
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Hallucinogen was great at that, morphing to different time signatures, or in a 4/4 track playing with 6/8 melodies, stuff like that... It was not a gimmick, the way it's mostly used.
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Congrats with the release! Is this all new stuff?
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This is straight up 80s Belgian horror trance. Love it.
Haha, thanks! That's a niche I still have to find out about I guess.
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You could have fooled me by telling this is an unreleased Xenomorph track
Fantastic. Although the kick could use a bit more punch.
Nice you noticed - that last part is a big Xenomorph influence!
Will look out how to get that BD a bit more tight in the mix...
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I like it, psychedelic techno at its best!
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Yeah, Apple is notorious for breaking backwards compatibility. No such problems in PC land, though. The only big drama was when major DAWs went 64 bit and the plugin devs had to catch up. Still, all Win DAWs come in 32 bit and 64 bit editions and most of them have a bridge.
...for now.
I wonder how long it will last.I'd love to upgrade to Pro Tools 11 (still got a free setup), but it's a 64bit program. But as long as my 8 year old pc can send midi I don't think I'll spend money on a new one. ^^
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Well I'm glad that more people are talking and thinking about this. If you would point this out years ago you'd be considered a troll or a grinch, just for having different views.