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AYS posford!!!!!!!!!!!What's playing in your winamp etc. right now?
Holeg & the Spies -God is not goth (original mix) Dark!!
Great dark sound from holeg & the spies. Psychedelic industrialsound 
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Nice review abasio! you describe well the feeling of each songs.
i agree with your favorite behind closed eyelids and ...and the day turned.But i really love DMT and shpongle falls, ans less vapour rumors. But hey taste is taste!
The best album ive ever heard. without a doubt, after... maybe kettel with the albums through friendly waters or whisper me wishes
Every song is a 10/10
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Nice review abasio! you describe well the feeling of each songs.
i agree with your favorite behind closed eyelids and ...and the day turned.But i really love DMT and shpongle falls, ans less vapour rumors. But hey taste is taste!
The best album ive ever heard. without a doubt, after... maybe kettel with the albums through friendly waters or whisper me wishes
Every song is a 10/10
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and my example was relevent, since it showed that some music like mbritney can be appealing at first listen, but you get fed up pretty quick. but mozart canb be unappealing at first, but fuckin awsome when understood. i hope you dont disagree for that fact hein!*facepalm*
Radi is a story for another time.
Anyway, so let me get this crystal clear with an example that you put forward earlier only a little more relevant to the topic.
You can choose either Shpongle or FSOL for the example...
Example A:
Say Person 1 does not like Shpongle/FSOL. He's heard all the current Shpongle/FSOL albums up to 2005. and hates the majority of it. He gives whatever reasons for not liking (or even hating it). This is the year 2005.
Fast forward three or four years to the present after being fed Shpongle/FSOL every day in between then and now.
Now, Person 1 still hates Shpongle because he had to listen to it for 3-4 years straight. Not solely just Shpongle/FSOL of course but he had to listen to at least a couple songs each day since then to now. He picks the songs that are the least annoying to him.
He tells you that while his musical "tastes" sine then have change but he still dislikes/hates Shpongle/FSOL because he was basically force fed it for 3-4 years and has even more reasons now as to why he dislikes/hates said band.
Is he wrong for the reasons he gives?
Example B:
Person 2 dislikes Shpongle/FSOL. She gives her reasons why said band is not good in her eyes. She's heard all the albums up to 2005 and likes none of them aside from a song here and there. This is the year 2005.
Fast forward to the present and all the same spiel as in the first example except...
Person 2 likes Shpongle/FSOL now. She has grown to like the albums and gives her reasons why she her "tastes" in music have changed and that Shpongle/FSOL are in new and different light than before. She thanks you for force feeding her good music because it made her realize the err in her ways.
Is she wrong for giving her reasons why she likes Shpongle/FSOL now then before?
The answer to both examples is a resounding... No.
They're entitled to they're opinion and taste in music. That's it. That's all. Endo story.
Now when it comes to respect for musicians that people dislike is a similar to that of musical taste. People are always going to be judgmental about stuff they have an opinion about or even if they don't have an opinion. It's just the way humans are wired, I suppose. You cannot change that fact overnight or at all probably. So when you can't understand why people hate or love certain music or art or whatever, then listen to their reasons and respect that those are their reasons. There is little point to try to convince someone otherwise when they are determined in their decisions in this matter.
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euhh i think you dont understand something. Taste its a FUCKIN debate in philosophy, philosophers as been talking about the reality of taste since Protagoras men, so all right, YOU just answered the question hundreds of philosophers tried to find, congrats!*facepalm*
Radi is a story for another time.
Anyway, so let me get this crystal clear with an example that you put forward earlier only a little more relevant to the topic.
You can choose either Shpongle or FSOL for the example...
Example A:
Say Person 1 does not like Shpongle/FSOL. He's heard all the current Shpongle/FSOL albums up to 2005. and hates the majority of it. He gives whatever reasons for not liking (or even hating it). This is the year 2005.
Fast forward three or four years to the present after being fed Shpongle/FSOL every day in between then and now.
Now, Person 1 still hates Shpongle because he had to listen to it for 3-4 years straight. Not solely just Shpongle/FSOL of course but he had to listen to at least a couple songs each day since then to now. He picks the songs that are the least annoying to him.
He tells you that while his musical "tastes" sine then have change but he still dislikes/hates Shpongle/FSOL because he was basically force fed it for 3-4 years and has even more reasons now as to why he dislikes/hates said band.
Is he wrong for the reasons he gives?
Example B:
Person 2 dislikes Shpongle/FSOL. She gives her reasons why said band is not good in her eyes. She's heard all the albums up to 2005 and likes none of them aside from a song here and there. This is the year 2005.
Fast forward to the present and all the same spiel as in the first example except...
Person 2 likes Shpongle/FSOL now. She has grown to like the albums and gives her reasons why she her "tastes" in music have changed and that Shpongle/FSOL are in new and different light than before. She thanks you for force feeding her good music because it made her realize the err in her ways.
Is she wrong for giving her reasons why she likes Shpongle/FSOL now then before?
The answer to both examples is a resounding... No.
They're entitled to they're opinion and taste in music. That's it. That's all. Endo story.
Now when it comes to respect for musicians that people dislike is a similar to that of musical taste. People are always going to be judgmental about stuff they have an opinion about or even if they don't have an opinion. It's just the way humans are wired, I suppose. You cannot change that fact overnight or at all probably. So when you can't understand why people hate or love certain music or art or whatever, then listen to their reasons and respect that those are their reasons. There is little point to try to convince someone otherwise when they are determined in their decisions in this matter.
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the best song ever made? the best song ever made! come on!aren't you?
Who is Atmos? Really? Klein Aber Doctor is still one of the best tracks ever
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well is seems that with you, conversation is not an option.Now it is I am right because my friends agree?
You sound like Radi before he grew up
and yes, friends from college and teachers, but whatever men, think what you think, and enjoy the music you review!
whos radi???
everything you said is so politicaly correct, everything so predictable, lets end this debate, cause you put words in my mouth i did not said, so whatever
but really, trying to make me feel stupid for what i said, is ridiculous, in philosophy, its a fuckin huge debate to try to distinguish good art from bad art. What is a good work?
its a fondemental qustion that as i see can not be discussed with you! taste is always up to people, but taste changes, so how can we be sure that what we like is really what we like, since taste change. Arent we loosing time all our life to try to know what we love and hate, is our taste is really our taste, or its just our acquired taste. There tons of philosophical question about taste, but you dont think about that, you dont go that far in your thinking, you stay in the obvious, keep it that way!
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Satumnaisuus! pretty well doneWhat's playing in your winamp etc. right now?
Holeg & the Spies -God is not goth (original mix) Dark!!
Great dark sound from holeg & the spies. Psychedelic industrialsound -
i have been talking with a lot of people about the taste thing, and we always turn out to approove about the taste acquired. but fine, think what you think, thats for sure up to you, since you can not think otherwise.
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euhh you keep repeating yourself man, music is subjective bla bla bla, youv said it before.So what you are basically trying tosay is that if people don't have the same taste as you it's because they have not yet aquired it?
So you hate Britney Spears? Maybe you haven't listened to her deeply enough. I am sure there are millions of people who love her music, they have aquired the taste.
I am not keen on your mushroom analogy as it sounds like you hated mushrooms but were made to eat them for 15 years and you have simply gotten used to them. But at the end of the day you are still putting a fungus in your mouth
I agree that somethings can take time to appreciate but many people have been saying that they used to love Shpongle but that it didn't hold their attention long enough. Do you think these people just haven't aquired the taste? They had it then lost and all they need is to listen to it more & more and they will love it again?Also, wrong example to convince me using Mozart. No matter how many times I listen to Mozart I just cannot like it even if I can respect it. If you listened to other composers more closely though you might see the shallowness of Mozart's simple childish music (IMO
)Now remember that I in fact love Shpongle & I do still listen to AYS? a lot but I can still see why people don't like it. There are some cheesy samples in it
Remember that your taste (aquired or not) is not the be all and end all of all things. Just because you think that something is the most amazing art you have ever heard it doesn't make it a fact that it is. Mozart, Shpongle, Pink Floyd or the Beatles it doesn't matter, it is all subjective as it is people who say it is good or bad. We can't put music into a mathematical formula to see if it's good or bad we just have to have our own opinion. You need to allow people to disagree!
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oh its looks like autechre or venetian snares????maybe Selected Ambient Works Vol 1 and 2. And DRUQKS.
However i do think overall he is kind of overrated, Venetian Snares or Autechre are much much much better
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hate mona lisa! thats strong! you must or they must hate a lot of things!they can not even see some beauty in it?I feel you are wrong in your choice of words. As a musician there is a lot of music out there I can listen to and APPRECIATE and understand it is a quality work for its respective genre. With that said, I can APPRECIATE a work and still hate it. This is true for any form of art. There are many respected movies I have seen where I can instantly recognize the skill and craftsmanship that when into that piece of art, but at the same time completely dislike it for any number of reasons, most of which boil down to the piece simply doesn't speak to me. Recognizing and appreciating skill is an entirely different thing than like and hate. Hell I like a lot of things that I clearly recognize as having little to no value in an artistic sense and I equally hate just as many things that I also recognize as having high artistic value. I know many people who simply hate the Mona Lisa, yet it is considered one of the greatest works of art for its period.
appreciating skill means that you appreciate no? i cant see myself appreciating skills of mona lisa painting and then hating it, its a big word, hating. Maybe you dont love it, but you hate it?? but mr.nowere do some weird snakes with a crayola, then you can hate what hes drawing, but if hes drawing really nicely, i can see myself Hating it.
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i dont belive in that, a good work so you call, can not be hated. A good painting, a nice painting, can not be hated, you are free to disagree with his methods or idea, but you have no choice but to respect and appreciate his work, and see the many good thing he did in his paintings.Dude, what the hell? You're just going around in circles at this point. So you love Shpongle. OK WE KNOW KNOW, THANKS FOR SHARING.
I have to agree with Joe on this one. Go debate some Giant Communist Robots if you're going to separate objectivity from personal preference/taste.
What you're seemingly trying to think is that you can't have objectivity if you don't respect artist for their work even if people don't necessarily like the work. They're two separate things. People will always be objective about music whether they respect someone for their work or not. Don't be upset if people are not turned on by the music you like the most when they think it isn't that great. I know, I am that way sometimes too but you have to live with it.
@Jikkenteki: I never had drugs either. So I guess you and I are in the same boat.... right?
well there a lot of psy uninspired IMO
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Your really asking that question?why some people just don't get this that Taste really is taste????????That's exactly what I am going to tell you. For me there is no Shpongle track that even comes close to The Answer
Why do you think there is a lack of objectivity here? Do you think that we are all part of The Infinity Project? Or enemies with Raja Ram? People having different taste to you does mean they have a lack of objectivity. If anything it would be the other way round as the Shpongle project has been much more popular & well known than any of TIP's ambient works. I could say you are not objective but just following popular trends, but I wont as I don;t care why someone likes something over another thing. Taste really is taste. It boggles my mind trying to think about why some people just don't get this
BTW Shpongle is Simon Posford & Raja Ram, they get A LOT of praise, maybe even more than they deserve
taste can be acquired. you know when i was a little boy, i didnt like mushrooms, and i tought that i would never love mushroom, but after 15 years eating it, i love mushroom! you see! taste can be acquired with experience! the more you listen to mozart, the more youll like it. the more you listen to britney spears, the more you gonna want to kill britney. but at first listening when i was 12, britney was ok and mozart was boring, but now mozart i love, britney i hate! Taste changes!thats some extreme exemple, but for shpongle it took me 2-years in and out to really start enjoying shpongle, before i hadnt understaind what posford was trying to do. and believe me, as big i loved some 08 album, I know that ten year from now, i wont be listening to alot of the top 2008 albums, BUT i know and im sure that ill still be listening to shpongle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So that understood, that why i dont believe in that sentence taste is taste, yes taste it is taste, but taste are sometimes not fully acquired. thats all, and a taste not acquired is a taste questionnable. and if you tell me that shpongle isnt really good, or at least that you dont respect shpongle, well ill say that your taste is not acquirred for shpongle, or for mozart or for chet baker but if you keep listening to it, i promise, one day youll like mozart,ashpongle, and chet baker(but im not sure about that one lol)
and im a french so its hard to say everything i want to say
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kettel again: trough firendly waters!What's playing in your winamp etc. right now?
Holeg & the Spies -God is not goth (original mix) Dark!!
Great dark sound from holeg & the spies. Psychedelic industrialsound -
Im wondering since i NEVER listen to aphex twin
what album do you recommend?????
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and i must have listen to 200 2008 albums, and this is an highlights, with some dub elements, wow, its my thirs time now, and i like it a little bit more. thanks!Almost looks as if no-one here has even heard of these guys... How surprising...
They have 2 EPs and an album out and its all quality.
Their music consists of cheap shitty synth sounds pieced together to create the coolest psychedelic music I've heard in a long time. Trippy as hell, and some of their tunes are the closest thing to Shpongle I've heard from an artist other than Posford.
But yeah, check them out if you can. Their stuff might be a little difficult to get hold of (theres a few tunes on youtube), but yeah...
and hey, where do you find your music?? on headphone commutes? the siilent ballet? metacritics? gothtronic? igloomagazine????
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I had listen to it only once, and i didnt trip, but i listen to it again, and yes, its definitly something really nice, in my top 20 of the year for sure!Almost looks as if no-one here has even heard of these guys... How surprising...
They have 2 EPs and an album out and its all quality.
Their music consists of cheap shitty synth sounds pieced together to create the coolest psychedelic music I've heard in a long time. Trippy as hell, and some of their tunes are the closest thing to Shpongle I've heard from an artist other than Posford.
But yeah, check them out if you can. Their stuff might be a little difficult to get hold of (theres a few tunes on youtube), but yeah...
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Really??? its good yes, but i dont know about the closest of shpongle, ill rather put FSOL then easily embarrased. But i admit, its something to take a look at, it reminded me of shulman the way of transition, But ive been listening to only idyllic life, i just listen to it, and i find some cheesyness into some songs, but yes, it does not matter because of the way he manage to put his pieces together, its highly recommendedAlmost looks as if no-one here has even heard of these guys... How surprising...
They have 2 EPs and an album out and its all quality.
Their music consists of cheap shitty synth sounds pieced together to create the coolest psychedelic music I've heard in a long time. Trippy as hell, and some of their tunes are the closest thing to Shpongle I've heard from an artist other than Posford.
But yeah, check them out if you can. Their stuff might be a little difficult to get hold of (theres a few tunes on youtube), but yeah...
ps. where did you find this band, where do you usuallly find your new music
AND theres tons of music that no one talks about here
just to name a few in 2008 well not a few, my best of 2008 but still no one talk about those artist, and its kinda frustrating, since i respect them more than a lot of crap of top 2008, but hey, as everyone tell me here, taste is taste, but anyone who wouldnt at least like easilly embarassed i found them retarded
barry lynn
Anders liar
abbasi braothers
subheim
library tapes
Balmorhea
bitcrush
blackfilm
Christopher Bissonnette
Hecq
The Sight Below
Ólafur Arnalds
Fjordne
Funckarma
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I agree, maybe not THE best ive hjeard, but yeah, i listen to it recently, and i freaked out, its geniously done, fuckin awsome! but hey, it looks like Kettel at least a bit, you should REALLY take a look, he did 4 amazing albums, his last four one. try whisper me wishes or through friendly waters!!!!!!I know I plug this all the time, but it's some of the best "chillout" I've ever heard. It's a lot "louder" and more intense than most chill.
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I feel the same! bluetech and posford are in my top 3 of best artist of electronica, and i really can not understand it, its absurd, its like loving classical but hate mozart and beethoven!+1 there's been a lot of Bluetech-bashing going on and I can't understand it for the life of me.
Your mother
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Future sound of london!What's playing in your winamp etc. right now?
Holeg & the Spies -God is not goth (original mix) Dark!!
Great dark sound from holeg & the spies. Psychedelic industrialsound -
Kettel-Now find another moon : one of the most insane song ive been lucky to hear!!!!!!!!
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Since learning about the makeup of Psytrance....
in General Psytrance
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one thing for sure, it happens very very rarely for psytrance, but for other style, it happens tons of time that i find myself without knowing what coming. recently ive heard some artist really intresting because of this site
go take a look!!!!!!! http://reviews.headphonecommute.com/2009/01/01/best-of-2008/
take a big look at the top 25!!!! top 10 is really some classical experimental, apart from subheim( my best release for 2008) but go see the top 25, tons of good original stuff!!!!!!!!!!