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2 hours ago, recursion loop said:
I... "Long intros? Nah, people wouldn't dance to them. Lush pads, trippy textures, deep atmospheres? .
Do you really think that dance music needs long intros?
Even way-way more sophisticated forms of music like the Western classical or jazz, or traditional world music -arabic, indian etc- need no intro and usually starts with a "hook" (but there is often a middle movement - slow tempo and lyrical melodies - at least in the classical genre).
DJs nowadays don't need 2 minutes of intro to count the measures to properly mix the track. Most djs nowadays just press the start button of their software or mixing table and start clapping hands in the air, while the machine does a better mix.
I'd rather eat my hat than listen to another 4 bar pad loop for minutes (popular formula not only in trance, but in dnb and dubstep too).
2 hours ago, recursion loop said:" it's a bit puzzling that you are finding something valuable in tracks that sound like superficial recycling of the most cliched sounds and tricks"
How many Shpongle, Astral projection, Infected mushroom etc imitators are out there today? Even the original artists are recycling cliches, becoming a parody of their younger selves. I think that anyone can enjoy a well crafted commercial "tribal chant" track, while knowing that it's just a "fast food".
Full-on and neo-, prog-, dark etc I can't stand anymore - at some point I stopped listening to this type of music, because everyone was using the same bassline, samples and no melody at all. No, thank you.
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16 hours ago, recursion loop said:
Swooshes, breaks etc are good when used with taste and fit the musical context but not when the whole track consists of them.
That E-Clip track I've posted has a lot going on, various textures, melodies, layers, but the most improtant thing is the track sructure - it slowly evolves, embraces you and sucks you in. There are lot of changes along the way but they all are interconnected somehow, the track as a whole tells a story. This is what I call progressive. That Berg track is just a bunch of unrelated melodies, samples, risers and snare rolls thrown over the beat. Tracks like that may be nice for jumping along and pumping fists in the air but they don't contain anything of what I'm looking for in psytrance and especially in the progressive subgenre. Is thiks that's a form of EDM rather than psytrance.
EDM = electronic dance music, so psy is also EDM. You probably mean the anthem house/trance subgenre that just got renamed in the last years. We have seen other similar rebrandings of old formulas from the 90s with a new name - like all the "bass" subgenres.
Some of the biggest psy classics are melody driven and have many of the anthem/commercial whatever is the name characteristics. Are they bad? I prefer them over all the progressive, neo-, future stuff.
When the music devolves into an endless crescendo or various cut-up sections, we probably are dealing with uninspired artists, but I personally prefer the less predictable patterns than slow unfolding that goes from nowhere to nowhere. The whole psychedelic appeal of the electronic sounds was that they were exotic. Unfortunately, they don't belong in the exotic category anymore with all the electronic music saturation. What about all the Middle Eastern and Indian scales - are they psychedelic? Not really, they were exotic to the Western part of the world and completely trivial to the locals. For some 5 years old modulating the timbre of a loop with a filter may sound weird; I have heard this technique too many times to become impressed.
6 hours ago, Grayling said:Are you serious? Must not be a techno fan.
Man, I can go to the local gypsy musicians, if I want to hear quality techno with real tribal patterns and groove that is not mechanical.
Electronic only percussion music sucks big time. That's why the various trance genres are cool for me - they compensate the lifeless pulse with nice melodies and sound fx.
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23 hours ago, recursion loop said:
I noted that whenever there is a subgenre having "future" in its name, it always turns out to be utter crap. Futurebass, future house, future gar(b)age, now futureprog.
What bothers me the most is that this "futureprog" seems to have totally replaced proper progressive psy. Tracks like this are nowhere to be found in last two years of so.
Even when there are tracks with nice sounds/melodies/atmospheres they are mostly ruined by overcompressed basslines and endless buildups, breaks, risers, swooshes and other EDMish nonsence, which is by nature totally incompatible with progressive sound.
Well, these builds/breaks/swooshes etc are just methods to break the monotony and stretch the length of the tune.
Such transitions are very good for creating comprehensible structure.
If your track is monotonous and loopy (90 % of the electronic music) or nonstop changing (serialism, electro-acoustic music by 20-21st century composer), it will most likely suck, because of the lack of comprehensible structure.
I like more these Berg style tracks than "let's reapeat 1 bar bassline over 8 minutes with some sound fx on top of it".
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Digital music is pretty cheap, you can buy only singles...
The music albums from the past (electronic, pop, art, whatever) were mostly filler and just a several good tracks.
Now you can buy only the good stuff.
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EDM = electronic dance music. Of course, psytrance is EDM.
If you think that EDM is only the cheesy swedish house or stupid dutch electro shit, well, I guess the promoters from the big USA labels are doing their job well in promoting something old
(the 90s anthem house) as something new (EDM)...
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Someone is buying views from a clickfarm in China or automated bots...haha I was just about to post something in the same lines and saw this
Yep indeed, psytrance is "in" once again. KSHMR is pretty big and he basically does goa-influenced EDM and lately there is this track that is getting more and more airtime on daytime radio in these parts... yes, psytrance on DAYTIME commercial radio! Who would've though that day would come?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NejMwMeZyag
Well ok, to tone down things a bit let's not forget that most of the golden days goatrance period ALSO saw (not-so) underground producers like AP - People Can Fly or MWNN - Teleport on mainstream dance shows... which is how many people in the 90s hear of goatrance in the first place.
http://runthetrap.com/2014/04/06/soundcloud-bots-truth/
Btw, the vocal is from a sample pack with ethno folk songs from Easten Europe
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Virus TI is a digital synth... and sounds worse than the vsts released in the last several years (aliasing in the highs!!!)
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Melody and variations.
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The average raver is already with damaged hearing...
Use any good monitors/headphones and ask any healthy small kid. It should be able to distinguish between mp3 and wav.
Even if you don't use iphone/crappy headphones/living in a industrial zone/ listening to loud/harsh music, you will naturally lose some hearing, because of the aging process.
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Nice work, but I think that you can do it better by using more musicological approach...
You must mention the influence of the oldschool hardware sequencers and the modern DAWs on the musical (melodic and motivic) and harmonical (background figures/pads and arpeggios) material found in psytrance/trance.
Define what is Trance (and the difference between Techno and Trance), then work on the the Psytrance definition, then - the subgenres.
Imo, many of the psychedelic trance subgenres (this applies to the other EDM genres like house, dnb, breakbeat) don't have enough substance to be called subgenres.
Imo, the newer sound - full on, tech, dark, forest and so on - is actually techno.
Goa and the more melodic psy tunes have more in common with the mainstream trance genres than with the rest of the psytrance.
The ambient and high tempo derivatives are also not trance (but they can be psychedelic).
http://science.jrank.org/pages/10338/Musicology-Principal-Methodologies-Musicological-Research.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tune-family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_(music)
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Don't use loops, learn to play melodies, change the texture every 8 or 16 bars.
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Videos with autotuned chicks...
But how many producers can make a decent commercial psy song without sounding cheesy?
On the side, psy is great for action scenes (like breakbeat) unlike the more popular popular electronic genres.
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Here its the original track where the chants come from
Btw, the OP track is a remix made by Vini Vici, Armin just played it in one of his shows.
Did you listen to the video clip at all?
BTW, why are Vini Vici using bots for souncloud plays/likes?
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Like we have a shortage of decent "underground" goa and psy...They really follow trends and stick to them, gated vocals, shamans, oriental styles combined with kick bass is what people want so they deliver it. Why to make underground psytrance or goa and get couple hundreds euros per gig only, flight with Ryan Air when you can have 5k per gig and first class or charter flights? It's very simple actually. It's simply business. Good money and everything that comes with it.
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The track is kind of repetitive/predictable, but it's psy with all the standard elements like pitch fx, rolling bass, gate fx, exotic chant.
The Native American vocals are more original than the typical Indian chant found in the most psy/goa...
Armin is probably just a rich monkey, but at least he didn't jump on the melodic electro house bandwagon like the rest of the commercial trance
producers.
In the end if he makes more psy, more kids will discover the alternative trance sounds...
(BTW, I'm not sure why many people think the tribal chants are less authentic form of expression for psy trance than the cliche "psy farts", "fm leads/fx" or the "phrygian arpeggio/melodie"...)
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Hi, I'm more into composing and love writing goa style arpeggios, riffs and melodies. Don't have too much time to do mixing and creating sound fx.
Influences: juno reactor (ethnic flavour), astral projection(acid atmosphere), amon tobin(sound selection and manipulation), vivaldi (ostinati writing).
About the writing process - I can compose something in selected mood/ style, then send the midi files, or develop some of idea of yours.
Interested in trying to write goa/trancy dnb, electro, dub etc.
PM me or post contact info.
What music are you listening to right now?
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