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Which was, and still is, a complete non-response to his post. In fact, he didn't ask you "to describe how [you] felt".
Yes he did right here:
Besides a
expression im sure you have some words to describe what you are feeling? 
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Rotwang I don't think you are capable of being a mod and should quit doing it
for the following reasons:
1) You are willing to go reduce yourself to low levels of bigotry just to try teach someone a lesson:
Wait, you like racist music?
2) You are arrogant by your own admission
3) You are willing to resort to personal attacks and call people "fucks" just because they call the music you like "incoherent/random"
4) You threaten Elysium, a guy you clearly don't like, even though he did not cross any lines. He was voicing his disagreement (however right or wrong) with Tatsu
in a civil manner without any personal insults. Can't help but think you have a personal vendetta against him from your previous exchanges with him.
5) I think you are hypocritical for portraying yourself and your darkpsy friends as respectful to other genres, yet you are dead silent on
exotic's post "Goa trance people only listen to Goa and as a result have become narrow-minded to the extent that they feel no other genre of music can come close to feelings of extacy, oneness and joy it can bring."
He not only generalizes about Goa trance as music, he does so about people who listen to it. If you were that sensitive for me calling Darkpsy "incoherent/random" what would you then say
if I called people who like Darkpsy narrow minded?
Not only were you silent on that exotic's comment, but you proceed to defend him when he asks for your help:
Rotwang your turn!
I find that very hypocritical and biased.......
I think you should quit or be relieved of the mod duties. I believe it's too much of a challenge for you to handle.
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Which didn't answer his question. So what was the point, exactly?
This post:
That you only listen to Goa or got interested in the genre through Goa would be a problem in two ways :
1) Most of the Goa trance purists i have interacted with IRL feel the entire psychedelic movement was started by Goa trance and somehow feel darkpsy is an evil extension of the genre , meant for people who are inherently frustrated with life , have quarter life angst and cannot enjoy the Goa vibe for what it is. This is my opinion or my perception through my interaction with Goa trance people over the years
2) Goa trance people only listen to Goa and as a result have become narrow-minded to the extent that they feel no other genre of music can come close to feelings of extacy, oneness and joy it can bring. Since darkpsy sounds remote , haunting and eerie unlike all the adjectives I have used to describe Goa it would only be natural for a Goa trance fan to feel about a cousin who branched out and became evil and is now spreading a bad name for the entire psychedelic society , but this is what is slightly narrow-minded according to the people who have branched out to other sub-genres of psychedelic (full on progressive and darkpsy to name a few) primarily due to the fact Goa trance lost its sheen and not too much of goa was being produced like between 1993-2000 .ie goa trance was dead and people wanted to move to a different style.
I also feel some of you Goa trance folks are still stuck in a time warp and have refused to move with the times , but it is totally your choice which depends on taste and whether you are having more of a blast stuck where you are. Although you have the resurgence of goa through what is touted as neo-goa and some of that stuff is really good it can never really bring back that golden era . Its all about keeping an open mind actually.
What i find really surprising is how 50% of the fans moved on to some genre or the other while some did not jump onto the bandwagon and got left behind as a result due to which they are bitter and crib about how Goa was and is the best and all this darkpsy just gave the entire scene a bad name.
Correct me if I am wrong
...........along with your arrogant attitude, calling other people "fucks" has reminded me of this CD press release line:
"This is not music for hippie fucks who need to edit out swear words from their sets to keep from upsetting their clan of falsely enlightened psychedelic hipster fans."
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=7533
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Visine, do you understand that one example doesn't actually prove anything about an entire genre? And that if it did then the examples I posted earlier would have demonstrated that old-school Goa is as much about horror as darkpsy is?
Read my post. I did not try to prove anything.
He asked me to describe how I felt.
The image of that promo text just came to mind for some reason....
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Besides a
expression im sure you have some words to describe what you are feeling? Dude, I'm at loss for words as to how to reply to your post.
Don't even know where to start or what to say.
For some reason the first thing that came to my mind was a line from the text of the release notes of that CD I referenced on Saikosounds in this link:
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=7533
The line says the following: "This is not music for hippie fucks who need to edit out swear words from their sets to keep from upsetting their clan of falsely enlightened psychedelic hipster fans."
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That you only listen to Goa or got interested in the genre through Goa would be a problem in two ways :
1) Most of the Goa trance purists i have interacted with IRL feel the entire psychedelic movement was started by Goa trance and somehow feel darkpsy is an evil extension of the genre , meant for people who are inherently frustrated with life , have quarter life angst and cannot enjoy the Goa vibe for what it is. This is my opinion or my perception through my interaction with Goa trance people over the years
2) Goa trance people only listen to Goa and as a result have become narrow-minded to the extent that they feel no other genre of music can come close to feelings of extacy, oneness and joy it can bring. Since darkpsy sounds remote , haunting and eerie unlike all the adjectives I have used to describe Goa it would only be natural for a Goa trance fan to feel about a cousin who branched out and became evil and is now spreading a bad name for the entire psychedelic society , but this is what is slightly narrow-minded according to the people who have branched out to other sub-genres of psychedelic (full on progressive and darkpsy to name a few) primarily due to the fact Goa trance lost its sheen and not too much of goa was being produced like between 1993-2000 .ie goa trance was dead and people wanted to move to a different style.
I also feel some of you Goa trance folks are still stuck in a time warp and have refused to move with the times , but it is totally your choice which depends on taste and whether you are having more of a blast stuck where you are. Although you have the resurgence of goa through what is touted as neo-goa and some of that stuff is really good it can never really bring back that golden era . Its all about keeping an open mind actually.
What i find really surprising is how 50% of the fans moved on to some genre or the other while some did not jump onto the bandwagon and got left behind as a result due to which they are bitter and crib about how Goa was and is the best and all this darkpsy just gave the entire scene a bad name.
Correct me if I am wrong
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Darkpsy is not random. Its people's narrow-minded perception who have been listening to goa trance since day one about it which is random.
What are you trying to say here?
People who listened Goa Trance since day one that are a problem?
I'd be curious to know more of your opinion here. How listening Goa Trance from early days would be a factor here?
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Weird way of debating! I don't see why anyone should apologize in a debate unless they have been attacking people on a personal level. Each to his own but to ask for a apology is to stretch things very far IMO.
Agreed !
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calling it boring and pointing out that the people who like it worship Satan. The reason that I and others don't do this is because we have some respect for the many people here who like progressive psytrance, and because that would be a totally dick move. Why, then, don't darkpsy haters show people who like darkpsy the same courtesy?
WTF people who like Darkpsy worship Satan?
Are you suggesting I said that ?
Read again what I wrote in this thread: "Sure, not all Darkpsy is Satanic but pretty much all of satanic themes in Psy scene do fall under Darkpsy...most of it I find cheesy "
You're trying to portray a picture of yourself as a tolerant, respecting dude, yet you're willing to call people "ignorant fucks" for saying the music you like is "incoherent/random".
Now that's a dick move if there is one.
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Why don't you admit an incorrect or inaccurate use of the English language in your original post when you said that darkpsy IS random. It's not, period. If it sounds random to you, well, like Rotwang said, that's fine. It's your opinion or taste, not a fact. A fact is, that darkpsy isn't random, although it may sound random to people, including you.
Maybe you should stop trying to discredit me based on my command of English language and try to understand the clarification on the very first page of this thread.
You should also try to get off your high horse and tell others how their perception and taste is "not a fact" and somehow yours is.
I've never claimed objectivity, bot neither can you.
As Kristian has rightfully pointed out, it comes down to ones taste and perception. There is no absolute right and wrong there.
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It's also a completely different statement to "darkpsy is random".
Anyway, as long as you're now talking about your subjective opinion rather than objective facts then I'm happy to let it drop if you are.
Well I said it almost exactly the same way on the very first page.
Have a look:
Darkpsy is in my opinion incoherent, random noise....most of the time.... here you are saying I am incorrect.
You're behaving like got a license to tell others how they should be perceiving art....well, you don't
Anyways, better later than never, so I think we have an understanding now.
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This whole debate is stupid (IMO of course) as it basically again comes down to taste and nothing else. I am also not a fan of dark or forestpsy. I respect people's taste but to me it seem you guys try way too hard to convince those who does not like it that it's amazing and fantastic music. Yes to you it is but no it's not to those who do not like it. Quite simple
At last some voice of reason. 100% agreed.
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As a longtime darkpsy follower I have to disagree. Like Rotwang said the vast majority in darkpsy is about science/pseudoscience, drugs, eastern culture and yes darkness, but not in the evil way.
That's how you interpret it.
You do seem to have trouble with other people's interpretation and somehow think yours is correct and other people's interpretations are not.
How boring would art be if everyone perceived it in the same way?
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Instead I disagreed with your statements that darkpsy is random and darkpsy is Satanic, neither of which is a subjective judgement.
To me a lot of darkpsy sounds like random noise.
That is not an objective judgement. That is my opinion and taste.
Sure, not all Darkpsy is Satanic but pretty much all of satanic themes in Psy scene do fall under Darkpsy...most of it I find cheesy
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With regards to freedom of expression, of course you are free to post your ill-informed opinions to psynews, just as I am free to point out how ill-informed they are.
I think darkpsy is cheesy.
That is my opinion and taste...I decide how informed it will be before I make that judgement, not you.
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listened to a little bit of dark psy stuff and I gotta say, it's not the most interesting genre in the world.. doesn't seem like there's much going on in any of the tracks really.
Exactly my point....be careful though, they migh attack you stating that it is incorrect to say there isn't much going on
in the tracks. It doesn't jive with their darkpsy agenda.
It may be tough for them to understand that it is your taste and opinion.
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Incredible. It's as if your skull is completely impervious to being penetrated by facts. Sucks to be you.
Perhaps facts that everyone is entitled to their own taste and opinion, that they are free to express them in forums such as this one did not penetrate yours?
Here's something really funny:
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=7533
Check out the cheesy cover and Hardcore/Gabber wannabe promotional text:
"Established in 2008, Red Magik Records (USA) is the branch of Thee Magik Family of labels and artists dedicated to in your face, heart stopping sound terror. Red like blood and lust and the high end of the meter, Red Magik delivers boundary breaking, tempo peaking sound destroyers for the DJ and discerning listener of extreme and experimental dance music. Not for the light of heart. With Speed Demons Vol. 1 - Censorship is Uncool, Thee Magik Family sets a new standard for psychedelic audio destruction. This is not music for hippie fucks who need to edit out swear words from their sets to keep from upsetting their clan of falsely enlightened psychedelic hipster fans."
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The majority of darkpsy does not have devil/demon covers, or horror themes. In fact the artwork, track titles and samples are overwhelmingly more likely to deal with the same themes as old-school Goa (e.g. psychedelic drugs/ sci-fi/ Eastern spirituality) than with anything related to Satanism or horror.
Do you know anything about the genre at all? Do you enjoy publicly broadcasting your ignorance?
You're just sour grapes someone's not speaking highly of darkpsy.
I think it sounds bad...like really really bad to make me laugh instead of being spooked by its
"darkness" lol
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I also find most darkpsy to be very cheesy.
Those devil/damon covers are hilarious...
It's a genre that wants to be dark but can't quite accomplish it nowhere near the level some others do, wants
to be hard and fast hitting but doesn't quite accomplish it like others do either....a total wannabe genre with some
exceptions here and there.
I find nothing dark or scary about it. It's like a very bad horror movie that is so bad that it's actually funny.
By the way, production is also very amateurish...
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I don't conclude that darkpsy isn't random from scientific proofs or studies. I conclude that it isn't random in the same way that you, as someone who reads English, conclude that the text you're reading right now consists of meaningful sentences rather than a string of randomly-generated ascii characters. Imagine if people who were unable to read English were in the habit of claiming that all English text is random. Do you think that would reflect well on those people?
That's a very clever ruse, well done. But why was it necessary? I mean, didn't you write "...and no it would not annoy me to see a comment about music I like, because people are entitled to experience it in their own unique way..."? Why then did you throw out some music you don't care about and let me post malicious nonsense about that, rather than just letting me post malicious nonsense about music you do care about? Is it because, contrary to what you said before, you know full well that it would annoy you to see malicious nonsense written about about your favourite music, even just once (let alone every few days for five years)?
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Yes, because whether it's random or not is not a matter of opinion.
But you didn't say it sounded random to you. You said it was random. It isn't.
Sorry I didn't supply any scientific proofs or studies it is random.
From now on you can consider my posts as my opinions based on my perceptions unless otherwise
noted.
Wait, you like racist music?
Actually they are not my favorites
I just mentioned them to see how yougonna use them to try annoy me. I wondered if you'll bite and use it to say something nasty....quite funny
to see you did ..LOL
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I've heard over 15% of Darkpsy artist's budgets go into research on which random number generator to use. A lot of people complain that they are not really random. Is that what you're talking about Rotwang? when you say it's not random?
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Who said anything about "absolutist" or "need to be learned"? And what does this have to do with your incorrect description of darkpsy as "random"?
If that bold part of your very statement is not absolutist I don't know what is.
Darkpsy is in my opinion incoherent, random noise....most of the time.... here you are saying I am incorrect.
You're behaving like got a license to tell others how they should be perceiving art....well, you don't.
I'd love to move on from this whole "darkpsy is random" idiocy, but unfortunately people keep posting it over and over and over again.
Out of interest, what music do you like? Do you think that if I made up some shit about that music that wasn't true it might annoy you? How about if I kept posting it repeatedly? How long do you think it would take before that started to annoy you? How about if I did it for 5 years?
Proves my point above. You're just sour grapes because someone doesn't speak highly of darkpsy.
It's obviously annoying you, but that is your problem.
I don't think I or anyone else should be apologizing for their views on what certain music sounds like to them.
I like progressive trance like Vibrasphere, Son Kite etc.
...and no it would not annoy me to see a comment about music I like, because people are entitled to experience it in their own unique way....which is something you seem to be struggling to cope with.
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Here you go
It's from 2006 and is "progressive House". I tried to add some of the old New Wave sound to it. You''ll be the judge
http-~~-//soundcloud.com/the-new-wave/holm-andersen-grey-original
Hey this is pretty good
Thanks for sharing it.
Complaints about Moderation.
in Psynews.ORG
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I think you as a mod at very minimum need to respect the very rules of this forum you are trying to moderate regardless of whether you are acting as a user or a mod.
It makes sense that mods embody the image of a constructive, positive debater and be examples for others in their daily conduct given the responsiblity they are entrusted with.
I don't feel you are doing that.
Here are some examples of rules of conduct and how you are not sensitive to them:
"Be nice at all times. This is something that we expect from you without asking. We do the best we can to keep this place up, you do your best to make it a nice one! "We respect all human beings (and aliens :-) ) from all cultures and religions. No racism, no sexism, no discrimination."
See your post about Progressive Trance quoted in my earlier post.
"If there shall be Peace/Love/Unity/Respect in ONE place anywhere in the world, we ask you to do your best that it's here. Once you become a part of Psynews, you should be an open person, you should accept its members and you should contribute to the site in a way that is positive for all. We ask you to leave stress outside, think before you post and act in a professional manner even if some things turn out not to go so well for you."
"Do not take any arguments on to personal levels."
You have clrealy broken this rule. My comments were always regarding Darkpsy as a music genre. You however have resorted to personal level and name calling (i.e. "ignorant f!@#s")
You have openly admitted your frustration with posts other people made in different threads about Darkpsy and allowed that frustration to shape your conversations with me, even though I had nothing to do with your exchanges with other people. This is not a positive or contructive behavior at all.