Spindrift
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Although the intention behind resonantearth was not to be another CD label we had to bow for the demands of the visitors and add the possiblity to order physical CD's for those who prefer.
Of course we do it with our own twist though.
Apart from that we will make our releases available for mail order you can create your own compilation.
Select your tracks, then choose a design, font, color and text placement.
We then burn your compilation on quality CDR with on-body print and cover art and mail it out to you.
And still we ensure that the artists get $0.65 per track you buy..... so almost ten times more of your money goes to the people who deserve it.
Peace
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Mixing and mastering is two separate processes.about the mixing process(mastering)
To me is seems like it's a lot of disillusions about both those processes.
Neither of those processes will magically make your sound good.
Sure you can make not so good sounds sound better wih good mixing skills and some quality mastering...but:
Good sound comes from using....good sounds.
Simple as that.
You can make a superb sounding production without a EQ or compressor at all if you have good sound sources.
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I operate as a label online...so no big inventory (about 60 tracks right now) but you can download 128k for free and check it out, and if you like there is both 320k and lossless (FLAC) to buy. www.resonantearth.com
There is a few places, like www.edmdigital.com that sell from various lables, but the inventory of proper psychedelic trance is quite limited.
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For pulsar users I can strongly recommend to get the Adern Flexor modules for the modular.
I find the envelopes in that to be something really extra, and I never heard anything like them.
Otherwise the orbitone Real03, also for pulsar, is very good.
VSTi's i have problem getting good bass with, and the VB-1 sounds tight and is used by many, but lacks a bit of depth IMO.
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I normally don't like when labels is trying to make compilations made to be good to listen to at home when it comes to trance music.
It becomes easily neither really good for party or good for home listening but kind of half baked.
Better to focus on either or IMO.
But this is the exception.
Great listening AND nice party music.
Extremly well compiled.
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Cut OUT the tail I said, meaning that you of course don't want the part where the bars you used in the first place is playing, but only the tail of the reverb that comes after.
So you have say four bars of your track reversed.
Bounce those four bars thru an inserted reverb with only wet signal making sure you include the tail.....so maybe you bounce six bars or so dependent on how long tail you have.
Now reverse that recording, and it should be obvious to use only the first bars that contains the actual tail.
Sorry for being bad explaining....it's quite simple really but I guess I make it sound more complicated than it is.
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I agree about the Sienis track. Awsome tune.
It's one of my absolute favourite tracks 2004.
The Derango is in a class of it's own as well.
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Haven't listened to much to astrix, but this is one tip:
Record down a few bars, preferable the part you want to sweep in to.
Then I reverse that recording and stick it thru a long fat reverb (sonic timeworks being one of my favourites).
Of course with 100% reverb and no dry signal.
Cut out the tail of the reverb recording and reverse that.
Voila, now you should have a sweep that gels nicely with the upcoming part.
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I love the way Live works as well...just really cleaver and logical.
If I just could get the same sound out of it as I get from Logic I would never look back.
Ohh...it makes me so frustrated :\
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For me it's also not about catchy melodies ala britney that i want in melodic goa trance.True, but how many goa trance melodies are really that memorable? I don't know about you, but memorable melodies are not what I'm primarily after. Most tracks with very clear and distinct melodies feel flat and too simple for me. I want dense layers of sound, swirling patterns that sense of being exposed to an organic force. The melodies you remember are often simple, and I don't like things that are too simple.
But when you start going down a certain type of melodic path you have to follow it up.
You can make simple melodies that is genius, but when you want many layers of melodies to work together to form a track there needs to be more structure and progression.
Thats what made this album a bit of a dissapointment for me.
The melodies does not lead anywhere and it more seems like a relentless assembly of notes without a story.
I sure can't remember any pleadians melodies of the top of my head now when I haven't hearded them for years, but I remember that there many tracks wich had a lot of good melodic contents.
That kind of contents I cannot hear on this album, it just sound like a lot of melodies but they don't leave you where they promised.
They are somehow unfullfilled without any real progression.
Obviously a lot of people here feels otherwise and taste differs.
I'm obviously agains the stream again as usual
Sure, no-one says "hi I am a musician and is trying to copy band x", but maybe there is a reason that Moai is actually not the only one making the parallel with pleadians and this album.You're the one saying he's trying to copy Pleiadians, Jannis himself never claimed to be doing so.
Almost every one in these threads mention IFO in their comment.
I must agree that to me it sound too much inspired from them to be at comfort for me.
It would not had sound original some 10yrs ago, and in my ears anyway it sure doesn't now. Compared to other current releases it does, but I partied too much in the mid 90's and was getting bored with this sound already then to get excited about it today.
I don't know about the mastering, but the production is so-so.Oh, and what's wrong with the mastering?
It's very hard to get a production at the same level of most stuff nowadays using analogue. And if you even want to try only top-notch analogue equipment will come close.
It seems to me a lot of people like the sound of hardware for nostalgic reasons, but to get the clarity and depth you can get with digital nowadays is really hard and expensive with analog, thats why most producers is going more and more digital.
I don't think production is everything myself, but I have problems calling the production excellent on this album.
The qualities is not about fat, punchy, clear or warm but about nostalgic it seems to me.
Sorry for being so winching, but with all this hype, and talk about how this should show the way in to the revival of old-shool it makes me personally a bit scared of the future.
I was winching about there being to little dark night music a few years ago. It came, but I found that it became fashion and people started imitating eachother and most night music bores me nowadays.
I have been hoping for old-shool to make more of a comeback for a while, but much thanks to this realease I'm already starting to fear that future.
Goa trance for me was always about experimenting and mixing styles.
So in that sense this album in it's spirit is typical of trance today rather than the pleadians. Just like the darkpsy clones this is another...."hey, like make some tunes that sounds like ..." in my ears.
Again...sorry for any offence to all the fans and to Janis, but I had to let it of my chest.
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Your statement there made me a bit confused really Amithabababa.
I just gave up on switching over to Abelton instead of logic for the very reason that i can't get the depth of sound I get in Logic.
I love how Live works and would really like to work with it but it's just not fun when your previous tracks sound better
I can tell you that I have worked with multitude of hardware mixers, from Neve to Behringer, various digital desks and many different pieces of software.
When my EQ sounded wrong or I made mistakes in the production I can normally identify them as such.
But to me both Orion and Live tend to give much more muddy and flat sounding mix than other systems I tried.
Obviously to me what you saying is totally wrong or I'm missing out on some special necessary skill to make budget software and cubase sound good.
If you have experiences with how to get Orion or Live to sound as good as Logic I would be very interested to know where I'm going wrong.
And I would be interested to hear more about your testing, because the test mentioned earlier is obviously a joke and in no way a serious attempt to find out any differences.
The only people I heard about making proper tests (blind test with some 16 channels of audio and some plugin chains with identical settings) can tell the difference.
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I agree that some old analogue synths can be a bit tired by now, but if you want a good synth cheap I would consider the Sequential Circuits - Pro One.
I haven't checked prices on those for a long time, but the was going for about $300-$350 last time I saw one.
Great sounding 2 osc synth with external audio input and amazing modulation capabilities.
You do need to have a CV converter or find one with built in which will bump up the price a bit.
At least you will get much more original sounds from that instead of a virus.
Some old ensonic synths is really interesting sounding as well and very cheap.
The Mirage sampler and the ESQ-1 is the ones I had experience with.
The Mirage is a old 8bit sampler with analogue filters if you want some real fat lo-fi grit.
The ESQ-1 is a synth with digital and sample osc's and analogue filters with capabilities of making some very unique sounds.
And they won't sound tired in the ocsillators like many old analogues, but still have the fattness of analogue filters.
The main reason the ESQ-1's are so cheap even if they sound great is that they are buggy especially when it comes to MIDI.
But if you record them down to HD it should be much problem.
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Tested it with other pro mixes.....what does that mean?
Have you done a blind A/B test when mixing severeal tracks with identical setting and plugins in the different apps, and what apps was you comparing?
And my mixing knowledge does not become worse because I use another app.
I would love to work with orion for example, but when having many tracks at the same time the same kick sample seems to disappear for example.
I don't have the same problem in logic, and thats why I use it instead.
Your original question was why you mixings does not sound deep.
I can find you 100's of producers that will swear that logic has a deeper sound than reason based on their experience.
Obviously you think that they don't have a clue and has fllen for a myth, maybe thats why you still have a problem with your mixes.
I could not beleive the differences when I first encountered them (using a yama 02R instead of cubase for mixing the tracks) since I never heard about this "myth" about digital mixers and presumed they should shound identical.
If you rather belive some vague technical arguements about that they should sound identical instead of testing and listen with your own ears or listen to people who have tested properly then you are fooling yourself IMO.
It a overwhealiming part of the audio professionals that will agree that they indeed sound different.
Here is a few examples of discussions you might want to read if you really are interested in if there is a difference in sound between different digital mixer software.
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic.ph...ic=4125&forum=5
http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/lo...php/t20266.html
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic.ph...4138&forum=5&13
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Have you tested it yourself?
With more than four tracks and comparing to mix them in a high end system?
I'll bet you I can tell you if you mix 16 tracks or so in reason and in Logic and send me the files I can tell you what is what, and I bet then you will be able to as well.
Like I said, I have tested is many times with different software.
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Just a few quotes from producers in various forums with regards to the sound of the mixing in reason:
Also, try and print things from reason into PT's individually. The mix buss in Reason is really horrible.
I did notice that if i make a complete track in Reason, the sounds tend to become really middly as i add more sounds.
Just don't submix in Reason.
Of everything I've heard made ENTIRELY in reason, the sound quality tends to have a sameness: very cheap and lofi (and not lofi in a cool way). Agreeing with Kenny, I would attribute this "sound" to the mix bus... it is in no way desireable to me.
When you take individual outs out of reason, there is no reason (no pun intended) that it can't sound just as good as any other hardware/software sampler, if the origin of the samples are good.
I hear a HUGE difference when using individual outputs, (rewire)
but the sequence sounds noticeably better when played in Logic using the vsti Battery. Anyone know why this is?
I heard a lot of reason stuff, and I have to say that I never heard some REALLY good souding stuff coming out of reason.
I also take Reason tracks to be mixed on an Ensoniq Paris system, which improves them amazingly.
I have still not found out why various digital mixers sounds so different, but I have tested and heard it on several occations so for me there is no doubt about that there is differences.
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No...it's the experience of many producers including myself.
You can call it a myth if you like, I can tell you in a blind-test anyday.
Four tracks is not much to test it on, but already at eight tracks I can hear the difference in some cases...sure if you make tracks with only kick, bass, lead and groove you might be fine with fruity.
And cubase is the worst sounding "pro" sequencer I tried, so not so good to compare with.
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Err...so reason will be an alternative to using sound forge/wavelab for mastering?
Or it is just to encourage the very bad practice of using mastering plugs on the main out?
Sorry for being so pessimistic, but I can't help it.
Reason sounds bad and is not logically laid out according to my way of working and I really don't understand the hype.
If I was intimidated by regular sequencers I really think orion or maybe fruity is much better alternatives.
But you did say the news was for "those who like to make music with reason".
So count me out
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FSOL - ISDN
in 1995
Athough they made among the best ambient ever, in my book they get the most respect for their very early dance music as Stakker and Mental Cube among other names.
Hugely influential producers in both dance and ambient and everyone should bend down in awe to their creative genius
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The season of sharing is upon us.
At www.resonantearth.com we now put up our chrismas decorations.
And if you select a minimum of three tracks you get 320k Mp3's at only $0.80 and FLAC for a mere $1.10.
So from now until new year you have the chance to get your hands (mouse?) on some great underground music in high resolution at great prices.
Merry Chistmas to you all.
Leo
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Yes, well said Lemmi!
I agree with your reverse theory and I know thats how many producers and musicians I know seem to feel about the process.
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I think you are right in some way Lemmi.
Thats in a way what I am after in a trance track.
To hear the inspiartion of a really psychedelic experience manifistated in a piece of music.
But I still think the idea of writing it in your head first is totally unapplicable.
Sure an experience can give you a vision, but that vision is not more than a feeling or energy you want to translate into music.
The process of translating it is not a intellectual process, you do sit and fiddle around to try to nail down that feeling.
And along with the fiddling you can come accross things that sound really great.
Even if you are great at visualizing every sound beforehand the flow of things and the misstakes that happen on the way can make it even greater than your vision.
If you do reject every thing that comes up with out you foreseeing it I think you still would be severly limiting your self creativly.
Maybe there is a couple of classical composers that just let the composition flow from their head down to paper but otherwise music is really created by "fiddling around".
Some fiddle around on a guitar, on paper or even in their head.
But they still fiddle around, just like trance producers do on their synths and always have done.
The reason some old stuff sound more inspired IMO is that there was more inspiration around a decade ago, and that goes for any musical genre.
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Was Jimmy Hendrix like a monkey on a typewriter or playing around and letting the inspiration flow?
Or did he carefully imagine how he's solos should sound beforehand?
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I mean really, speak to any rock or jazz musician about how good music comes about.
Someone that can't improvise well is not good at performing with their instument really.
And I do think that trance comes closer to rock and jazz than classical music.
To say that 99% of trance musicians have the wrong apprach to making music and thats why their music don't appeal to you comes accross as slightly arrogant.
Make your own music according to compsitons you have in your head to prove that they have the wrong approach and take the world by storm then.
Or point out one producer that works that way and owes his greatness to that.
I do not think they excist, and if they do say that they compose the head in their head beforehand I belieive they are lying.
There is a very good reason why everyone I know writing trance music does it the way they do rather than the way a classical composer does.
Classic music is about presets. Sure you could think a score if you only used a bunch of presets with sounds you know good together already.
Personally I think trance made in that way would sound completly uninteresting in my ears anyway.
Improvisation and experimentation is not "fiddling around" and opposed to creativity....it IS creativity in this type of music and most others as well.
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For me trying to work after a vision of the track in my head would be extremly limiting to creativity.
It's not comparable to composing classic music because it's so much about the sounds.
And I think thats how electronic music should be in my taste.
If it's to much about just composing nice melodic leads it sound boring to me.
I would not call it fiddling around, but being open for the flow and inspiration rather.
Just like when using photoshop I feel that the best stuff come by chance, but knowing your stuff will make it easier to do what I perceive as a channeling of energies that is greater than my ego or mind.
Inspiration and flow is no 1 for me, not intellect and theory.
Electrypnose - Brain Stretching
in General Psytrance
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We are very proud to present Electrypnose - Brian Streching, the debut album from very exciting Swiss artist Vin Le Barde.
A collection of very psychedelic and dark tracks with a lot of great content and ideas. He definitely got his style...and it rocks!!
Tracklisting:
1. leo zitrone
2. arcangemy
3. bombaxis
4. alcoolemie
5. le druide
6. delty
7. au pays des lutins malins
8. the key of life
9. fil de legerete
Download 128k free...buy hi-res downloads or physical CD's on www.resonantearth.com