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11 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

It's a creative conspiracy theory I'll give you that. :lol: Dunno which theory I prefer yet, this or the Miley one? Miley has the masculine voice going. Maybe a poll could settle it?

So what's your bet on Kim Petras? :D

i think that there are almost no real women in the show buisness...music/hollywood. in the 60s and seventies they did that with natural women. Lots of bands were actually girls that got testosterone in the young ages. now they make girls out of boys. sick stuff...

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On 9/14/2020 at 7:15 AM, Psychedelic Superbeast said:

i think that there are almost no real women in the show buisness...music/hollywood. in the 60s and seventies they did that with natural women. Lots of bands were actually girls that got testosterone in the young ages. now they make girls out of boys. s

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1 hour ago, AstralSphinx said:

estrogen 

would not help in this context. estrogen will help you grow breasts, but the "default" human is female, so any physical male characteristic is caused by testosterone (in fact if you are genetically male but only have a single mutation that makes your testosterone receptors insensitive to testosterone, you'd end up as a perfectly normal (albeit infertile) female). so you would need to block the production of testosterone (not only in puberty but for your entire adult life) to retain a higher voice.

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On 9/14/2020 at 11:59 AM, Padmapani said:

would not help in this context. estrogen will help you grow breasts, but the "default" human is female, so any physical male characteristic is caused by testosterone (in fact if you are genetically male but only have a single mutation that makes your testosterone receptors insensitive to testosterone, you'd end up as a perfectly normal (albeit infertile) female). so you would need to block the production of testosterone (not only in puberty but for your entire adult life) to retain a higher voice.

 

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On 9/14/2020 at 7:15 AM, Psychedelic Superbeast said:

i think that there are almost no real women in the show buisness...music/hollywood. in the 60s and seventies they did that with natural women. Lots of bands were actually girls that got testosterone in the young ages. now they make girls out of boys. sick 

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...also transgender. why they put fake women into beautiful roles. into relationships that are like out of a dream...everyone knows that women arent that sensual.

maybe the whole hollyweed is just a deep male fantasy about love that escalate into rape, pedophilia and sick science. 

Edit: i have the feeling that the dude in the video is a Female to male Trans but its just me a Goa Trance lover...he has female eyes while she has male eyes.

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https://people.com/music/michael-jackson-chemically-castrated-by-joe-jackson-conrad-murray-claims/

I'll take it with a grain of salt like everything else out there. But yeah what would the internet be without some theories that we'll never get a satisfying answer to? :lol:

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7 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

Interesting, my impression has been that a prolonged endocrine disturbance often causes gross side-effects that are more or less permanent. And often fluctuate as the hormone levels are never constant. For example the use of testosterone, will in some cases cause a permanent hormonal imbalance. Which affects the testosterone/estrogen balance, and I would assume that administering estrogen to a young male, could have permanent effects due to it distrupting the natural pubertal development? Depending of course on the duration of treatment? I'm curious to what the side-effects would be for example if estrogen is administered from a young age and throughout puberty, what would happen to that person if they stopped using estrogen in adulthood? Since the critical period of body development has passed, how would the body cope afterwards? And yeah when I think about it, even females who used anabolic steroids for bodybuilding purposes, apparently often suffer rather horrid side-effects afterwards, like enlarged genital parts and other masculine physical features. Such as a deeper more masculine voice.

Hence why they give estrogen as a complement to people who undergo gender correcting surgery of course, but that's often for life right? But you're probably right, and it might not have had a permanent effect on the voice, if treatment is suspended. I'm by no means an expert. :) I do know however of people who have abused anabolic steroids and now have adverse permanent side-effects, such as a more feminine voice. But of course it's a very different scenario, when it's testosterone and the subject is a male to begin with.

Perhaps MJ had a natural hormonal imbalance, affecting his voice. I have also thought sometimes about MJ's rather thin facial hair, he doesn't seem to have had the capacity to grow a full beard? But I could be wrong on this one too :P the photos I find on google are a bit of a mixed bag, and it's difficult to see because he seems to have used a lot of makeup sometimes obscuring the facial hairs.

And there is of course the possibility of a combination of scenarios, for instance that he could've suffered from somekind of endocrinal imbalance and medicated for this, or that he wanted to undergo gender correcting surgery, we don't know really what he identified as. Another scenario I've thought about, and I'm not sure of how realistic it is? What about if MJ took estrogen his whole life? And perhaps underwent surgery, to remove any female breast tissue resulting from this treatment?

Out of curioustity I assume that you work in the medical/pharmaceutical field? :) You seem knowledgeable in the subject.

it is possible that administering estrogen activates a feedback mechanism in the brain that suppresses the release of testosterone somewhat. but simply blocking testosterone release directly would be much more effective and have less side effects (breast growth, female fat distribution and wider hips).
in this context puberty isn't such a critical point in development iirc. it's more a consequence of testosterone or estrogen being produced. certain conditions can cause the release of sex hormones and therefore puberty much earlier or later or not at all.

that sort of feedback mechanism also inhibits testosterone production in people taking it for bodybuilding.

erstogen itself doesn't have any effect on the voice. the "natural" human voice is high unless deepened by testosterone. the effects of testosterone are mostly permanent. if a woman were to take testosterone she would never get her original voice back, but it might shift just a little towards female if the testosterone is stopped. but that would be a slight alternation in comparison.

didn't michael jackson have some sort of skin condition that required operations anyway? i might be wrong be but if true that might also explain the lack of facial hair.

 

yes, i do :). but i'm not in any way specialised in hormones.

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On 9/14/2020 at 8:24 PM, Padmapani said:

it is possible that administering estrogen activates a feedback mechanism in the brain that suppresses the release of testosterone somewhat. but simply blocking testosterone release directly would be much more effective and have less side effects (breast growth, female fat distribution and wider hips).
in this context puberty isn't such a critical point in development iirc. it's more a consequence of testosterone or estrogen being produced. certain conditions can cause the release of sex hormones and therefore puberty much earlier or later or not at all.

that sort of feedback mechanism also inhibits testosterone production in people taking it for bodybuilding.

erstogen itself doesn't have any effect on the voice. the "natural" human voice is high unless deepened by testosterone. the effects of testosterone are mostly permanent. if a woman were to take testosterone she would never get her original voice back, but it might shift just a little towards female if the testosterone is stopped. but that would be a slight alternation in comparison.

didn't michael jackson have some sort of skin condition that required operations anyway? i might be wrong be but if true that might also explain the lack of facial hair.

 

yes, i do :). but i'm not in any way specialised in hormones.

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3 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

Cool man I like your input! It's a very exciting topic, the human body. So basically what I gather is that if we play around with the notion that MJ might've had some sort of hormone treatment as they claim in the tabloids/fake news. :P  A more plausible scenario than using estrogen, would've been to use something that blocks the testosterone? 

more plausible but still not plausible ;)

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I don't get it, I've been spamming offtopic nonstop for what feels like an eternity, still my rank is the same as when I took a break from this forum many years ago. So anyone knows how many posts there are between the ranks? I'm guessing the required ammount becomes incrementally higher for each level reached?

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