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Lost my attention in modern Goa Trance and im speaking from producers perspective... and it's gonna be long but worth of read imo.


Today Goa is one of most limited Trance styles, even more than that Offbeat Prog most of us can't stand. There are so much rules these days which you have to follow just to get released, to play somewhere? Even worse. Sometimes I wonder if we as producers even have a freedom to do what we like or think we do and that people will actually support that.


Expectations and personal tastes of few will eventualy kill Goa scene, not 'bad' producers themselves. We are small scene struggling to survive but all we do is bitching around and killing wish of new or producers that already gave a lot on scene. Those that we still praise from 90s, well 99% of them don't give a thing for last 20 years and didn't contribute to scene at all while you have new guys doing and putting everything they can so this scene could go on and so they could really enjoy in life as an artists and all fun it brings.


If you are not like Etnica, you sucks, If you are not like Tim Schuldt its too boring, it's not dark enough. If you have modern bassline you are Fullon. It's not 90s Goa ripoff, well it sucks. You see problem now?


Every single style in Psychedelic Trance genre have been developing since it's beggining, every couple of years style changed itself and most of them for better. And people there actually accept that because they understand 2005 Full on is 15 years old and it was good for that period, now is different and good for today. Progressive from early 00s was also good, but Ace Ventura is killing it now and killing it big for 2020 and people fucking love that. Remember Twisted System back in 2004? Fucking best Twilight ever. Well Ajja is king now sorry. Goa trance, 95 MWNN and Etnica, 2005 crazy Filipe Santos, 2010 Filteria, today... who knows?


Every music was good for its period, some survived for 20-30 years, some not. But everyone moved on, new music, new generations, everyones having fun big time, parties and festivals bigger than ever, more music than ever for each and everyone but not for us Goa people. To us nothing is ever good enough specialy when you don't want to ripoff music from 25 years ago doing over and over same things, we just want same music, same style, same group of artist playing here and there.


As an artist you are forced to do what others (label, promoters, scene?) want just to get released and get some attention from people so you can feel welcome on scene. So you make what they want which is maybe musicaly better but technicaly it's crap and everyone knows it but it's ok because it sounds like 90s. Maybe you got lucky to get booked on them few Goa Trance festivals and play for a bit bigger crowd so you get bigger and better promotion. Then you want more and more, why not to play for even more and even more often but oh wait you can't.


Nobody want too book you, all promoters booked you already, so you are not interesting to them anymore, lets try others but nobody ever fucking heard of you. You would like to play on Boom or Ozora, all of us want but wait they never heard of you because marketing in Goa scene is one worse ever because they are not daring to invest at least 50euros in their digital promotions of your releases for which you are obviously not payed enough or not payed at all. Second thing, remember that you sounds like 90s, technicaly/production wise it's crap so is your music to 99% people out there because you couldn't use damn boring 'fullon bassline' or 'fullon kick' and now your music sounds ears bleeding on big systems and who da fuck want to put this guy on stage in front of 50000 people? I personaly would never, only if he doesn't brings me tons of money.


50000 people won't hear Goa Trance just that few days, where are tons of other big parties and festivals? If labels and agencies know what people really want today, why they don't force artists corectly and invest in them? You know that 50k on artist pages means a lot to get booking? Make his artist page on facebook get 50k likes! People like fancy produced videos of artists playing, doing interviews or studio sessions? You are fucking manager, so fucking make that happen! Is it really that hard?

People on dancefloor love modern sound, so fucking force your artists to have production quality of Astrix instead of forcing them to boycott fucking EQ in their projects. And last thing but most important we forget if we want to survive is because we don't know how to sell product (read music). Literally we are worst there. You release something but 90% of scene don't have a clue that release is out. Are we doing business because this artist-label-parties-scene stuff is business after all, or we just satisfing our personal taste and personal frustrations?


Are we as people, giving enough and fucking DECENT support to guys doing this music? Hell no!  Even worse is that their damn labels don't give them decent support, just opportunity to get more money or promotion for their own name.


I am here with you for 11 full years, 2500 posts, active for so many years. Meet some of you and become good friends in real life. You know my alter ego but some of you know me as a person. We have some history here right? Let me take a personal example so I don't target any other artist...

My latest release 'Imba - Liberation EP' was released 2 and half months ago, to be exact 73 days and yet not a single review on it. How and why? Not that it's most important thing to artist but to most of us it has value. We came here because we value some thing here and some words can inspire us to keep doing it. I would really love to read some words from some respected members in scene, good or bad but I would love just to discuss and see.

- Is it possible that nobody heard it yet for 73 days? Hard to believe that.

- Is it possible that nobody could spare 10-20 mins to write it for 73 days? Hard to believe that.

- Is it really that terrible that nobody wan't even to think about it? Even harded to believe that not because is mine but because I saw/heard it on dancefloor.


Even in promo post only 2 people left some comment...


This example is just one small thing of many, not most essential for survival of Goa music but to some people could mean a lot.

How often you sent supportive msg to artist, new or older just to thank him and make him feel right and happy for doing this? 

How often have you shared artists music or party videos on your social media just as support?

I haven't recieved msg here in ages and just simple Thank You would mean a lot to me or someone...


Artist is not producing music just for themselves, not this type of music as you can't live from it. If they don't feel connected with people they will stop, one by one. I asked myself many times why? Yeah I am enjoying, I love this music and love the lifestyle, traveling, playing and fun but for who?


Morphic Resonance who is very much loved here or in scene generaly, who gets lots of attention...  got same questions on our last meeting. Many guys does...


And here we are back to beggining, the people for whom we are doing all of this. First of all is: can you say that you as listener/party goer/Goa Trance lover doing enough for Goa Trance so it can survive and be good? Are we artists only guilty because scene is like this and you lost attention?


We are too lazy to comment, talk, support someone which takes just couple of minutes but we are always ready to bitch artist who lost months or even years on some release just because he is not Etnica and he is not 90s. This is not 'Mom got me a toy I didn't want', it's far more important than personal expectations and taste. If you want scene to survive ofcourse...


I didn't want to offend anyone with this post and I hope nobody found offended. Just pointing some main problems and I hope that you will think about...

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Yeah most modern pay trance does nothing for me. To be honest my last real interest in the sound was the minimal & early Scandinavian prog style, I even made some here in Australia around the turn of the century and played gigs. 

After a formula started being required I left. Zenon still gets me purely from a production point of view, and Iboga Tech label I find quite good especially the latest compilation by Alex Boshke.


production wise I have no interest in Goa or Psy as experimentation is limited. I prefer to make my techno & IDM stuff performing live with Eurorack. No barriers, no restrictions. 

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On 2/17/2020 at 9:10 AM, Imba said:

My latest release 'Imba - Liberation EP' was released 2 and half months ago, to be exact 73 days and yet not a single review on it. How and why? Not that it's most important thing to artist but to most of us it has value. We came here because we value some thing here and some words can inspire us to keep doing it. I would really love to read some words from some respected members in scene, good or bad but I would love just to discuss and see.

I can empathize with this sentiment but there is a danger in saying what you say and putting it out there. Like a relationship where one person says they would like more praise for the things they do. You never know if the future praise is due to general admiration or just them trying to make you happy. You risk losing genuineness. 

But I empathise all the same, as a pseudo reviewer i'm pretty used to my reviews getting low - 0 engagement. Look at the Goa Gilde Review, that motherfucker took to 2 weeks, complete with 4 characters, an introductory gif, links, 2 commercial breaks and a review x 3 of each track. And guess what 317 views! Are you joking, 317!.

But you complain about stuff like that and before you know it you either sound like 'I'm a baby that needs validation', or you get more attention but never know if it's just people trying to coax your ego. 

For me it's no problem, I wriote review cause i need something to do when i listen to a new album, it's why they are mostly positive, first time listening + sparking up a big fat boy is a wonderful thing. I do it for me. FOR ME!

All the same, I wish you artists had more engagement and attention. You deserve it, and like you said it is so easy for us to give to you.

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4 hours ago, Tsotsi said:

For me it's no problem, I wriote review cause i need something to do when i listen to a new album, it's why they are mostly positive, first time listening + sparking up a big fat boy is a wonderful thing. I do it for me. FOR ME!

Same as for me, I've noticed that it really enhances the listening experience to write a review, since it forces you to listen more carefully, and repeat certain sections. So it really opens up the music in a new way. Like putting the music under a microscope, and it more often than not sends you on some explorations, to either compare with other music or do some research on discogs and what not. So it really broadens your horizon. And hopefully as a consequence, can be of use and interesting to the reader of the review in question. And I do believe that it can open some paths and specific interests in music which you perhaps wouldn't have discovered while listening more briefly to the music.

So in summary, reviewing music is an analytical process, very useful for contrasting, reflecting and systematizing your musical interest. A means by which you can greatly improve your memory capacity, language and writing skills. And I agree, reviews shouldn't be forced, They should always be the result of a genuine interest and fascination with the music. Of course if you work as a journalist or get paid to do reviews, that's a completely different story. :D This of course opens up for some logical bias, since most people will review music they like. It's harder to dedicate a lot of time listening to some music you perhaps don't like as much. On the whole I think it is mitigated somewhat, by a forum having lots of different reviewers with differing preferences. I myself for example like the challenge of reviewing music, others might not care about. To put a spotlight on music I think deserves it. Of course it can be super interesting as well, to listen to bad music from an artist who has previously made great music. To see what went wrong and compare to their best works. There are multiple ways to approach both good and bad music. In fact I think the most entertaining reviews, sometimes are those that reviews horribly bad albums. :P



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For some reason I'm still in love with this music and I see a positive evolution... more and more promos we are getting from Suntrip are "different". You must have noticed in our releases lately. For example the Hypnoxock we just released is clearly more modern, funky on the edge of even psy trance at some points. The Clementz we will release tomorrow is straight 90s. We are working on a melodic forest compilation, and e have guys from the 90s making 1 more goa track for us... most of them do use some modern elements tho... :) I really feel there is room again for experimentation, and this is good! Lets go :D 

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One factor is, that many people have lost connection to themselves and people around them. All our great values, like love and honesty for example, have already long time ago been utilized and thoroughly raided by the capitalistic system. Nothing seems to be sacred. Life feels shallow and we seem to have incredible haste as a civilization to go forward. I do enjoy the very concept of progress yet the question remains, at what cost? One of the very goals of our lives should be happiness and most of us do seem to favor a bit more relaxed pace to achieve that.

If the society at large needs a bandit then its certain to show on festivals/music culture too. Hippies wearing expensive clothes to look like beggars taking uppers and downers to listen music that's well produced but soulless as hell. I've seen it many times, been a part of it too so I'd know. It's no surprise many people left the scene. It can be difficult to witness and accept what people do to themselves on these festivals.

And to talk about the topic more directly - yes I agree most modern Goa trance is quite shit indeed! It's a shame because, when looking things from a larger perspective, melodies can be a fun and vital part of psychedelic music. I always thought of Goa trance as the genre with most potential to it. And nothing really has changed my view. We can identify the problem (lol) but there's no one really to blame is there? I kinda saw this 'problem without a solution' situation years ago that's what motivated me to start composing music myself.  But this situation might change in the future I want to remain optimistic (a little anyway). It will sound good again when the times change for the better.

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