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Guys comon what happened...?

No Action in the Activity no Comments. Is your life so bad?

In 2 Week i will be homeless and maybe never have access to internet an this site. And also not to youtube...But even such a unlucky Gaylord like me who is near the end is trying to fight,

There must be a Wonder that have a Flat until the 01.12. so yeah was quite funny with you guys....i try to make some mixes or compilations in this time. 

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RTP    44

Life happens - with everyone :)

Life changes, the internet changes, music changes, society changes ... and I openly admit I do believe that for this place to survive for long, something needs to be done. I am currently going through the options. But I am not ready to post anything constructive yet. Will write something in your other thread in the meantime...

But apparently a lot changes in your life right now. Why are you becoming homeless? You're from Germany ... nobody should become homeless in Germany in my opinion?! Wanna talk about it? (pls don't mind me moving the thread into the offtopic however if you do)

I send my greetings

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3 minutes ago, RTP said:

Life happens - with everyone :)

Life changes, the internet changes, music changes, society changes ... and I openly admit I do believe that for this place to survive for long, something needs to be done. I am currently going through the options. But I am not ready to post anything constructive yet. Will write something in your other thread in the meantime...

But apparently a lot changes in your life right now. Why are you becoming homeless? You're from Germany ... nobody should become homeless in Germany in my opinion?! Wanna talk about it? (pls don't mind me moving the thread into the offtopic however if you do)

I send my greetings

Thank you for your attention!

Yes its sad. What i have to say i am Dead.

I am a Jogger so i know some places in the woods where i can sleep, there is also a lake near where i can wash myselfe. Ordered a tent and Schlafsack from Amazon with pepper spray.

Germany is a freaking place now. belive me. Please dont think Germany is the first world. At the moment we are 2.5 World. We are near a civil war...

 

if you guys love goa then support the artists give them power and support them with money(they are fathers,Mothers who have a regular Job...if you want to force them making music than with cash!) and more important, make goa by yourselfe! Make your wnd Goa.

 

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dhollmusik    13

isratrance too.  and Triplag.

 

The big festivals seem to be doing well, but not sure about the smaller parties...

seems to be the way things are going generally: everything being concentrated and condensed to fit huge platforms.  Smaller specialised scenes ditch their small specialised platforms and migrate to the big ones.

Look at social internet:  only really the big fish now (facebook, twitter, instagram, youtube).  Discussion forums appear to be dying out generally, but you can't have detailed long discussions on those big platforms.  Maybe people's attention spans are getting shorter due to smartphone-addiction so most folk don't look for long discussions anymore.

Psynews has been a real highlight in the scene, i maybe haven't used it much (registered in 2008 but rarely post), I have however read and enjoyed many of the discussions over the years.

Regarding the musik itself: listening to the best of old-school goa it's clear the magic will never die, just like how people still enjoy Pink Floyd or Beethoven.  Great musik lives forever, but it needs platforms for it to remain known and discovered.  I don't think the likes of Facebook etc are good for that (youtube is obviously great for listening and discovering, but not much group discussion is possible).

 

 

 

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Ormion    418

Just like RTP said life happened :D

I'm so exhausted from my job and stress that I have no energy to write something anymore. When I'm online I usually watch stuff like youtube, or funny stuff like 9gag or even a forum, but only as a reader. I'm still visiting Psynews and I will always love the place, but life hits you hard man.

I'll try to be more productive from now on.

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RTP    44
20 hours ago, dhollmusik said:

seems to be the way things are going generally: everything being concentrated and condensed to fit huge platforms.  Smaller specialised scenes ditch their small specialised platforms and migrate to the big ones.

Look at social internet:  only really the big fish now (facebook, twitter, instagram, youtube).  Discussion forums appear to be dying out generally, but you can't have detailed long discussions on those big platforms.  Maybe people's attention spans are getting shorter due to smartphone-addiction so most folk don't look for long discussions anymore.

That's it exactly. The internet, which actually was created to be open, accessible and "everyone can start a website or platform" and which was a very fractalised mass in the past has "conglomerated" - the users formed bigger chunks and they got bigger and bigger and now we only have "some" huge chunks left and the smaller ones in between dry out or migrate themselves into the big, making them even bigger.
We also may not forget that the ways people use it have changed - Ormion delivering the best example here. I am not much different to you man, I enjoy Russian Failblogs or other "plain entertainment shit" after a hard days work much more than actual meaningful discussions, as pityful as it may sound ... and there are many like us. In the past there were not so many ways to consume entertainment, so we went here and postet a bit in Offtopic...
And also not to forget, Goatrance or Psytrance are more popular nowadays and the means of promoting it have been taking different routes aswell, using other platforms or not relying as much on BBS forums such as ours.

The "silence" that has spread over this forum here is a sign of the changing times...

I already said something needs to be done. I'm thinking about ideas.

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dhollmusik    13
On 11/16/2019 at 4:38 PM, RTP said:

That's it exactly. The internet, which actually was created to be open, accessible and "everyone can start a website or platform" and which was a very fractalised mass in the past has "conglomerated" - the users formed bigger chunks and they got bigger and bigger and now we only have "some" huge chunks left and the smaller ones in between dry out or migrate themselves into the big, making them even bigger.
We also may not forget that the ways people use it have changed - Ormion delivering the best example here. I am not much different to you man, I enjoy Russian Failblogs or other "plain entertainment shit" after a hard days work much more than actual meaningful discussions, as pityful as it may sound ... and there are many like us. In the past there were not so many ways to consume entertainment, so we went here and postet a bit in Offtopic...
And also not to forget, Goatrance or Psytrance are more popular nowadays and the means of promoting it have been taking different routes aswell, using other platforms or not relying as much on BBS forums such as ours.

The "silence" that has spread over this forum here is a sign of the changing times...

I already said something needs to be done. I'm thinking about ideas.

Hi mate. 

edit: soz for long post!  tl:dr version = thanks to this forum for introducing me to this amazing piece of new-goa!

long version:  Your observation is correct.  What ideas do you have in mind?  I think the answer lies within the younger generation, to be honest.  They are the fuel that helps the creators drive.  If psychedelia, transcendental dancing or just plain havin' it! isn't that appealing to most young ravers, then the musik itself won't be those things.  If people want detached watch-the-dj-and-be-cool experiences then that's what the big scenes will provide.  The utter domination of minimal shows this (be that techno or trance).  Outside of ravers, the mainstream as ever wants poppy vibes.  How much room is left for the underground to provide healthy alternatives? 

I'm 41, and count myself lucky to have raved for a few years back around the turn of the millennium, played gigs, helped organise squat parties etc.  This was before the era of DAW/VST-domination, before smartphones & social media.  There was a positive, even punkish, can-do anything-goes DIY attitude.  Like the song goes, we were bringing chaos to order, and it was good.  Then, as with a lot of you, real life eventually takes a huge chunk out of one's time, energy and even inclination.  But I did think subversive scenes like that would continue just fine...from another perspective they still are continuing, just that older inactive types like me don't notice :P

For my part I've always loved the musik and will do my little bit to keep some of it alive by way of uploading mix sets, writing reviews, trading CD's.  At least we can be thankful to youtube culture for being the main platform people use to (re)discover goa trance, there's not too many old classics missing online.  And sometimes the comments can be illuminating, tho' nowhere near the level of deep forum discussion.  Other scenes die out because the musik was a snapshot in time which didn't age well (like hard-house) but in the case of goa trance there's a lot of beautiful ageless music which can be enjoyed anytime, anywhere, by anyone: when folk still enthuse passionately about decades-old tunes then there's something there that's not just nostalgia or party-lust.  Personally I'm also addicted to good darkpsy/forest and that has even less scene-activity than goa: Psycrowdelica didn't last, Triplag is fading, and many of the producers/labels are not so active anymore, with just a handful of darkpsy-mainstays at least self-releasing digital-only works.

It's like what we've been saying with those smaller chunks breaking up to join with the bigger chunks: a lot of these niche subgenres are breaking up until all we're left with is that boring horse-gallop minimal prog-psy, the type made infamous by the Psy-Trance is shit video, with a lot of the comments unironically claiming they actually like the pisstake tune :blink:  

I've got my issues with new-school, but at least it's not that :lol:  now having discovered Astrancer's & Psy-H Project's work there's hope that there's plenty future left in new goa trance productions.  These guys have shown it's not about finding new sounds, it's about creating fantastic new music.

Plus, Suntrip released I believe 8 CD's this year and ZNA 2020 is looking busy.  That's a sign of a healthy niche scene.  Also check out Gearslutz.  Their electronic music forum is quite active, and the talk is all about hardware.  Sometimes psy/goa techniques will be discussed.  I imagine the average age of active users are more my generation than the 18-25's.   However, there is a growing movement I feel that's against automisation, social media and homogenisation - that may become quite appealing to the younger generation: the new counter-culture.  It remains to be seen what kind of musik will be the backdrop to this, but we're definitely overdue something.

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acid-brain    105

Some great points made above. It's not just Psynews, participation in specialist internet forums has been decreasing in general as people talk more and more inside walled gardens. The history of this forum is super valuable though. All the reviews, and recommendations of rare tracks that you'd never find otherwise.

2019 has actually been a good year for goa. The new Battle Of The Future Buddhas album is an absolute treat, among many great releases!

Personally, these days I listen more to techno (especially the industrial type), and thrash metal. I don't know what changed but I prefer a more abrasive and heavily rhythmic sound to a psychedelic one. However, when I'm in the mood, I love to listen to forest trance or old school goa. What I can't believe is how I'll still discover brilliant oldschool goa acts that I hadn't heard of before all the time, even though I used to hardcore listen/explore this genre. There's just way too much good music out there.

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dhollmusik    13
8 hours ago, acid-brain said:

Personally, these days I listen more to techno (especially the industrial type), and thrash metal.

I'm also partial.  I can heavily recommend Perc, they sound like if classic-era Einstürzende Neubauten decided to go full techno.  Check this beauty out:

 

regarding thrash, this for me is the greatest thrash album from the finest thrash band: all of them on top form for this one:

 

Goa Trance can be incredible, but so can musik in general.  Much great stuff out there.

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Anoebis    413

Like all of you, I keep reading psynews, but I am brainfucked by other social media indeed... Somehow not posting too much, lets try to change that! 

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acid-brain    105
3 hours ago, dhollmusik said:

I'm also partial.  I can heavily recommend Perc, they sound like if classic-era Einstürzende Neubauten decided to go full techno.  Check this beauty out:

regarding thrash, this for me is the greatest thrash album from the finest thrash band: all of them on top form for this one:

Perc is great. Also Ancient Methods, and anyone involved with Sandwell District. Love the way they drew inspiration from that early industrial material and implemented it in an incredibly danceable format. I'd also say that many of the most creative oldschool artists are ones that drew inspiration from industrial: MFG, Oforia, Tim Schuldt etc. It's a powerful musical philosophy that lives on, although also a broad term and not clearly defined what falls into it.

1 hour ago, Anoebis said:

Like all of you, I keep reading psynews, but I am brainfucked by other social media indeed... Somehow not posting too much, lets try to change that! 

It'd be great to see you posting more round here! Indeed, all it takes to make this forum more active again is enough of us want it to be.

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dhollmusik    13
1 hour ago, acid-brain said:

Perc is great. Also Ancient Methods, and anyone involved with Sandwell District.

nice one for the extra tips, will check them out

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acid-brain    105
15 minutes ago, dhollmusik said:

nice one for the extra tips, will check them out

I saw your list of top three tracks includes Tandu - Alien Pump, my top 3 definitely would too. We should keep sharing recommendations!

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I'm rather disconnected from posting anywhere much these days but I check in and read bits. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure, one day, I'll switch and start posting a bunch more.

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dhollmusik    13
23 minutes ago, acid-brain said:

I saw your list of top three tracks includes Tandu - Alien Pump, my top 3 definitely would too. We should keep sharing recommendations!

ha well, if you have the inclination do a top 40 albums, i'd be interested to see what's on your list.  do it here or...i registered at this database site i found, it's a nice website for album lovers, they're trying to grow, tho' i'm not active there myself much since posting the list.  here's mine (for psy-trance: Psykovsky, Derango and Juno Reactor are represented):

besteveralbums.com - dhollmusik's top 40

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Penzoline    337

Yep life and age happened. I check everyday but I don't have much time to post, I generally just read up whats new and do any admin work that needs to be done. Social media is a big cause for decline in activity but that place a shithole for trying to discuss.. well, anything.

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RTP    44

Hey Penzo, you're way too modest about yourself ... you are the force that is most responsible for keeping it alive here!

This forum does not run on Gasoline, it runs on Penzoline ... or both, as He is both ... one :D 

That was as poetic as I can get right now, sorry.
cheers to you :)

And dear dhollmusik, I must say I have very much enjoyed your post ... very well put.
Thank you for the Perc recommendation ... I like it, I miss a little tribal elements though -- however, This Morn Omina provides me with that, so I'm good. You need to work on your trash metal recommendations though, I like Annihilator more B)

OK, so I actually wanted to keep this to myself till 2020 or so, but since you asked, I may as well say it, won't hurt:

Well, my thoughts are not that refined yet, but what goes through my mind is that Psynews needs to become something else than just a Bulletin Board System if it wants to survive longer than the next few years. The Board (and its backup data) is a big treasure and it shall be kept highly valuable ... but it will become in my opinion less and less relevant as people aren't willing to dig through it so much anymore and only will use it sporadically to look up some (by that time: old) information ... I mean, we will surely keep this up for the next years (from my part at least), but it is already losing relevancy (in regular usage) and it may lose more...
I don't know if I may be any form of decision-maker here, I do not feel having the right for any of that. Psynews is not my creation. Other people have created it, I have just participated and maybe cleaned it up a little bit, but it's not my thing. However, my idea or rather some buzzwords for the direction I would want this project to be going would be: unity, support, freedom, bringing people together, providing a base for them to thrive and create, in a way making them leave richer than they came. If Psytrance was a house, I'd like Psynews to be part of the "mortar" that connects the bricks together that the house is made from, get me?
What exactly to do is not so clear yet ... maybe our role shall stay the same, being the bringer of news, "bundling" information? I would find that good. We could become a Youtube playlist hub. Not a label itself - or maybe we might have a small one, no biggie - but rather an instance that stands aside and documents and provides ... you know?
An instance neutre ... is that a word?
And maybe the collection of party videos would also fit. Again, not so much as the creator, but as the creator platform - for psychedelic artists ... musicians, painters, visual creators, tailors for psychedelic clothes, even chai makers or other youtube creators - or even post-youtube creators...

Is that a good mindset to have for the future of this forum or not?

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Psynews is connecting people with the same mindset...we have a pattern in our soul that attract us to a special music and lifestyle...i mean if Instagram and twitter is for the mass/Kapitalism then there should also be a place for the other Groups in a society. It is just fair and Giving up is Gay. If you dont want to rule this site any more givbe it to other people and make new admins.

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RTP    44

Whoa, does my post come across like I wanna discontinue anything ... 'cause it shouldn't ... should be the contrary! Yes I wanna CONTINUE

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20 minutes ago, RTP said:

Whoa, does my post come across like I wanna discontinue anything ... 'cause it shouldn't ... should be the contrary! Yes I wanna CONTINUE

Some Artifact303 Feelings for your Strong Words RTP!

Thank you

 

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i make stuff like this:

its not bad .really i think i could do so some goa with a dude who hase same imagination and maybe a better knowledge in sound design.

Is here somenone pls cantact me....?

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dhollmusik    13
On 11/19/2019 at 10:13 PM, RTP said:

 

And dear dhollmusik, I must say I have very much enjoyed your post ... very well put.
Thank you for the Perc recommendation ... I like it, I miss a little tribal elements though -- however, This Morn Omina provides me with that, so I'm good. You need to work on your trash metal recommendations though, I like Annihilator more B)

What is This Morn Omina?  Regarding Slayer, I feel I have the perfect 4 albums of theirs on CD, covering each of their eras:  Reign in Blood covering classic-era, Divine Intervention for peak-era, Christ Illusion for experimental-era, and Repentless for granddad-era!  Tho' to be honest they're like AC/DC in that their sound, energy and attitude has been the same from day one.  I enjoy classic-Metallica but cringe sometimes...never cringed at Slayer.

For techno-heads, check out Dave the Drummer, he's still active and kicking out great mixes:

 

 

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dhollmusik    13
On 11/19/2019 at 10:13 PM, RTP said:

OK, so I actually wanted to keep this to myself till 2020 or so, but since you asked, I may as well say it, won't hurt:

Well, my thoughts are not that refined yet, but what goes through my mind is that Psynews needs to become something else than just a Bulletin Board System if it wants to survive longer than the next few years. The Board (and its backup data) is a big treasure and it shall be kept highly valuable ... but it will become in my opinion less and less relevant as people aren't willing to dig through it so much anymore and only will use it sporadically to look up some (by that time: old) information ... I mean, we will surely keep this up for the next years (from my part at least), but it is already losing relevancy (in regular usage) and it may lose more...
I don't know if I may be any form of decision-maker here, I do not feel having the right for any of that. Psynews is not my creation. Other people have created it, I have just participated and maybe cleaned it up a little bit, but it's not my thing. However, my idea or rather some buzzwords for the direction I would want this project to be going would be: unity, support, freedom, bringing people together, providing a base for them to thrive and create, in a way making them leave richer than they came. If Psytrance was a house, I'd like Psynews to be part of the "mortar" that connects the bricks together that the house is made from, get me?
What exactly to do is not so clear yet ... maybe our role shall stay the same, being the bringer of news, "bundling" information? I would find that good. We could become a Youtube playlist hub. Not a label itself - or maybe we might have a small one, no biggie - but rather an instance that stands aside and documents and provides ... you know?
An instance neutre ... is that a word?
And maybe the collection of party videos would also fit. Again, not so much as the creator, but as the creator platform - for psychedelic artists ... musicians, painters, visual creators, tailors for psychedelic clothes, even chai makers or other youtube creators - or even post-youtube creators...

Is that a good mindset to have for the future of this forum or not?

Yes, it's a very positive mindset.  Is there not already a Psynews youtube channel? 

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