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Grayling    6

I've been listening to goa and psytrance since '99, but until recently I hadn't really plumbed the depths. The recent trend of reissues by labels like DAT Records, Suntrip, Zion 604,etc are MUCH appreciated and very welcome additions to many people's collections, but of course there are still lots of hard to find (for a reasonable price) fantastic albums out there. My question is, how difficult is it to reissue these old gems? Stuff like Koxbox, MFG, Planet Ben, etc. I mean, I can't even find this stuff as downloads! 

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mars    139

The hardest is to convince the artist to do it, for a reasonable price. Some are OK with it, some don't because they prefer to promote their newer music.

The music has to be available in good quality. Either by getting the tracks from the artist himself (from our experience there's 2 kinds of artists: those who don't have their own tracks, and those who are anal with them and have kept every recording and midi files), or by ripping the original CD with 100% accuracy -which is hard to find will you repeat- (and no remastering is possible), or by ripping the master DAT from back then and restoring the parts with static, ripping the vinyls and cleaning them, or even re-recording the tracks...

The other issue is the rights. Who actually owns the tracks in 2017 ? It's a hell of a mess and there's lots of grey areas...

The artwork is also a pain in the neck. It's a risk to scan the original artwork: the image will be ugly because of the offset patterns (see image below). There, either you find the original artist who may have kept the artwork or knows how to reproduce it (our case with Dimension 5 Transdimensional), or you remake it from scratch (also our case sith Asia 2001 Psykadelia, or Zion 604 with Tandu's Multimoods - that's a lot of work), or you scan anyway and apply some median/gaussian filters and hope for the best (what Inpsyde used to do), or you do some totally different artwork.

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It's not THAT difficult overall. But most labels can't only live in the past and also have newer stuff to release. If you're in for getting into this niche and re-releasing some old gems, I'd be happy to give you some hints, really.

Another thing we could do IMO is release some old vinyl-only tracks on CD (or digitally). Like you said, oldschool Goa music is hard to find as downloads (well, it's finadable but you need to read cyrillic...)

 

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Paul Eye    436
3 minutes ago, mars said:

ripping the original CD with 100% accuracy -which is hard to find will you repeat- (and no remastering is possible)

Well that didn't stop DAT from releasing the I.F.O. remaster, or the same case with Zion604 and Multimoods. AFAIK they're both remastered from the original CD release. Correct me if I'm wrong by all means :)

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mars    139

Let's say the mastering engineer has a much lower degree of action once the music is already mastered/limited/compressed.

 

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Grayling    6

It sounds like a nightmare. I don't have the means, time, or knowledge to be able to do something like this any time soon (as in before I retire from the military in the next five or ten years), but your response helps me to appreciate the reissues available more fully. Transdimensional and Psykadelia are two of my favorites,so thanks for all the hard work. 

I guess the next question is how do specific albums get chosen as 'the one' to be reissued? 

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thanosp81    275
11 hours ago, mars said:

 

It's not THAT difficult overall. But most labels can't only live in the past and also have newer stuff to release. If you're in for getting into this niche and re-releasing some old gems, I'd be happy to give you some hints, really.

Another thing we could do IMO is release some old vinyl-only tracks on CD (or digitally). Like you said, oldschool Goa music is hard to find as downloads (well, it's finadable but you need to read cyrillic...)

 

Can I have those hints pls? B)B)

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Padmapani    359
17 hours ago, mars said:

but you need to read cyrillic

ридинг кириллик ис нот те проблем. андерстендинг рашен ис.

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recursion loop    443
16 minutes ago, Padmapani said:

андерстендинг рашен ис.

If anything, i have no probems with this :) If you need to find something specific in Russian torrents I may try to help.

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Padmapani    359

thanks for the offer. but even though it's not too practical to use and the result is often barely understandable, google translate is still good enough to help me find a few rare releases that aren't avaiable elsewhere :)

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Penzoline    334
On 10/5/2017 at 11:43 PM, mars said:

The other issue is the rights. Who actually owns the tracks in 2017 ? It's a hell of a mess and there's lots of grey areas...

I've actually wondered this too. How does it usually go for your releases for example?

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mars    139

We ask the artists. Usually the rights have returned to them (licensing contract ended or record label closed).

Then we make a direct deal with them.

 

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Grayling    6

Ask MFG and Koxbox! :D

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On 10/5/2017 at 1:43 PM, mars said:

Another thing we could do IMO is release some old vinyl-only tracks on CD (or digitally).

 

I'd much rather have some old cd-only tracks to be released on vinyl (with a digital download ;) ) lololololol
and, yeah, getting an artist to expend the time n energy to do this, or convince a label that it's worth their time, is a bit of work. if they're even able to find the masters.

I know many artists that just don't have the old master files any more. Hard drive crashes over time, especially in the 90s era before Time Machine, cloud storage, and super cheap external hard drives; archiving music files was a different reality back then.

That said, I'm fairly sure, unless it was extended, most of the music rights reverts to the artist after 10years. So anything 90s would be back to the artist by now...

Anyway, I'm still waiting for someone to release Nervasystem & Aether "Mama Matrix Most Mysterious" as a double LP...
Someone should get on that. It would be super duper awesome... 

 

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