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Paul Eye    427

Okay, different interpretations of cheese. The singing doesn't bother me at all :)

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recursion loop    431
On 6/9/2018 at 2:11 AM, Padmapani said:

but the singing definitely crosses the line.

For me it doesn't, I typically don't like any singing in psytrance but this track is great. The singing is weird and beautiful at the same time (this is what I'm actually looking for in psytrance - weird and beautiful).

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Paul Eye    427

On a side note, it's kinda funny how basically all psytrance with Michele Adamson singing is crap, and all downtempo with her singing is great :DD (with perhaps a few exceptions)

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recursion loop    431
36 minutes ago, Paul Eye said:

On a side note, it's kinda funny how basically all psytrance with Michele Adamson singing is crap, and all downtempo with her singing is great :DD (with perhaps a few exceptions)

Agree. This one is simply beautiful for instance, and the singing is actually very good. I even used this track as a ringtone for my wife calls for a while :) 

But most uptempo tracks where she tried to sing were completely ruined by these attempts, regardless whether one finds female vocals in psytrance acceptable or not she just sings wrong notes. This track may be the only exception, maybe because she is speaking rather than singing here. 

Youtube suggested another track called Kitchy Woman but I won't even post it here because the singing is just horrible like she is drunk or something. Hard to believe it's the same person who sings Blink.

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Blubber    22

a nice cheddar album this is - i think it's under most people's radar

Mindelight - Light the Mind

this track here has some good groove n funk in it, not really cheesy but also not very challenging ;)

 

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Themaniac    79
6 hours ago, recursion loop said:

Cheesy enough? B)

 

 

No!

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Manuser    229
23 hours ago, recursion loop said:

Cheesy enough? B)

 

Not cheesy, but very good!

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recursion loop    431

Thanks! :)

 

Ofc, making a "cheesy" track was not my intention, but I thought that the final "trancey" melody might cross the line (not that I would change or remove it anyway)

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Padmapani    351

not cheesy, just good fullon. not as deep as goa trance but great to party to. i do miss the times when they played fullon like this the whole night long.

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recursion loop    431
On 6/16/2018 at 4:16 AM, Padmapani said:

 i do miss the times when they played fullon like this the whole night long.

Yeah, me too. Few hours of good melodic fullon and a closing set of quality progressive like FreQ, Andromeda, Vibrasphere, early E-Clip would be my perfect party.

Thanks, I'm glad you think the track is good. :)

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psytones    68

"When sounds/effects are placed too simple, imo. It's cheesy" be it dark, goa, progressive or whatever

Some cheese makes me feel good, some make me feel ill. If you can say it's cheesy with a delightfull smile, it's not so bad.

About cheese, i have to mention here that when someone calls something cheesy in a trance track, it can -also- point to how/where the sounds are placed inside or on the track. It's structure. Taste often being lusting for advancements and depth like complex/amazing layering. Like wine. I'm not a producer my self, but a listener for sure. And outside tobacco / shit, I'm not a substance abuser.

The Recursion Loop 2017 EP that I reviewed - which I called out as cheesy. I did so mostly because the tracks' structurer has this boarderlining thing going on where on one side it has space but on the other side it lacks depth. so It's nice but not really amazing or by my definition, 'psychedelic' as it (imo) comes off as too simply put or not deep enough. But nice. Overall the EP's placements of effects most often just comes at me as a bit "off", or "too right" or just normal may be the better word. Feeling that it doesnt really reflect a psychedelic experience. Like a painting, it misses the advanced weirdness, but has nice elements and some things to look deeper at which is nice for a spectator, and seems more about being scifi trance like then "psy", but then again, it boarderlines landing on holding it's own ground .  I find this simple opinion for some reason very difficult to express by elaborated written words, so forgive my brute way of explaining my opinion here.

We all can agree that this is cheesy. But then again it is not a claimer to be, or be of Psytrance

So it goes to show, R.L makes Psy-Trance music.

I to this day find it interesting how diffecult it can be to make great or stellar melodies that do not become wrongly cheesy.. i.e. with russian psytrance from the older days. Or newer more technically advanced psytrance. It's so simple to make ,,cheesy" or not-good-melodies and lines, that many producers just quit trying (Goatrance) and focused on the psychedelic core of the Goa/Psy-trance realm structure instead (Darkpsy) adding empathy on groove and bass, leaving out them obvious melodielines, sunshine (cheese? not neccesarly. Who can deny good fluff anyway?) and focusing on the placement of effects and how they correlate with eachother, making Psycore (not thinking bpm) if you don't focus on the 'Dark'.

BTW. I'm listening to much Dreaml4nd today while writing this. So much smiles. And sure, lot's of cheese, sometimes and oftensaved by good placements/structure. Allowing t to be what it is, without failing. PS2. I recently heard the new Escape Into... album, or ep. Really not my cup of tea. It felt like a weak version of IM's CV-2, which is poor in it self.. oh yeah, right now the Dreaml4nd track Im at sounds rrrreally cheesy. Glad it has loads of cheddar inside as well. And he does make the game inspired  music he makes, so....

In my opinion and experience, the cheese problem with the Full-on genre is usually because of it's choice of substance.. or lack of it. The latter I can have much respect for. Also, the full-on symptom in general hits all genres, also forest, and dark. It devours itself becoming a copy of an imitation, whatever that means

 

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recursion loop    431
1 hour ago, psytones said:

scifi trance

This is a perfect description of my musical niche - both my listening habits and my own attempts. My music doesn't try to reflect any psychedelic experience as I have almost no such experience myself. I love the futuristic aesthetics of certain subspecies of full-on and progressive, the robotic beats, various metallic/sci-fi/alien sounds and textures, spacey melodies and this is what I'm trying to recreate in my own music. I don't actually pretend to make psychedelic music but since the artists/subgenres that inspire me are covered by the umbrella term "psytrance" I use this word to tag my own music as well. 

The "psychedelic" melodies are something really problematic. I've heard a lot of attempts at making a psychedelic melody, people often use unconventional scales/harmonies or chromatic intervals to create some psychedelic effect. This often just sounds musically wrong to me to the point that I just can't stand it at all, maybe because my ears are tuned to traditional European scales way too much. I'd rather listen to something completely unmelodic, some tracks consisting of trippy noises without any obvious melody may still be very captivating.

 

Anyway, another great sci-fi trance track. Well, sci-fi cowboy trance :)

 

 

 

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