technosomy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 check out the masters at work 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkraver Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antic604 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Yeah, compare THAT to today's "live acts"... Even though I'm personally not very fond of Etnica / Pleiadian's music, both IFO Live and Etnica Live '96 showcase that their *performances* were actually that - they were playing the music from the sequences, using actual hardware synths and tweaking it on the fly. Today's artists - mostly - merely *appear* and press PLAY... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Dance Recordings Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 And thats how things are done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Dance Recordings Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Yeah, compare THAT to today's "live acts"... Today's artists - mostly - merely *appear* and press PLAY... That's very true. But thats's not the artists fault aswel. We think that for an artist to perform live it is required a very high quality organization , a proper stage and ensure all equipment is provided . We wouldn't call it a 'live act' but the proper word would be : a concert. Look at Jean Michel Jarre for example. Even today with software it's not impossible. Filipe says if he would be supplied with two computers , two midi controllers and ensure everything is synced he would be able to play his songs on the fly straight out of DAW. Of course there is the fact some virtual instruments can be unstable because of 'bugs' in programming and playback can suffer. For those he would be forced probably to play the audio and try to play some extra sequences if possible. The good point with hardware it's that it's very reliable because a computer does nothing else than sending MIDI messages which is a great thing and makes it extremely reliable. Take Filteria for example. Jannis has a very nice studio. We're sure if he could he would. But why did he not carry his studio to a live performance? Because no artist wants his musical gear damaged. There's dust and there's other factors , liquid spillages and many accidents can occur in psytrance 'parties'. It just hasn't got the right level to bring a respectable concert. Back in the 90's , why did the live factor happen? They didn't have any other choice. If they wanted to play live they were forced to put computers and get the gear. We're pretty sure it wasn't easy but as you see in the videos , it wasn't impossible. Today things are changed because technology also changed the addition of being able to produce music with just a computer revolutionized a lot of the music industry. Now anybody can download a few bits of software and come up with something. It's not a bad thing , some people are talented and cannot afford to buy big synthesizers and others don't have any talent throw anything and can become famous. That's how it is lol. The addition of playback can also be the alternative to an artist saving his musical instruments. No artist will want to expose his musical gear to dust , heat , rain and many other factors. Ask it to any artist they will tell you the same thing. And for a 'Live performance' to happen a proper stage would have to be set take for example 'Rock in Rio' concerts.. sure people drink and do whatever they decide to do but long as they cannot reach the stage that's fine. But it's always risky. There's also people behind the stage and you never know ...people can steal and so on which is sad. Trustful and respectable people would have to be involved aswel. Of course then there are party organizations that can't supply the proper equipment to the artist or the artist is not paid enough to give such performance and then there are the bigger organizations where you see the 'big' names in psytrance showing off and pressing play and same goes in the 'Tommorow Land' Festival. It's ridiculous. lolol.. imagine tiesto actually playing synthesizers loloolool... We'd rather watch a Jean Michel Jarre concert. Jean Michel when he was younger he was a bit of a show off too but he was rocking away playing his keytar lololol We seen him jumping and dancing a big cheering the crowd in the Monaco Concert and that wasn't so long ago , maybe 3-4 years? We're not sure but anyways sure we can't blame him. He was just happy. Now he seemed to have really mellowed out due to his age. He's probably one of the best examples as a live artist . It's not easy . You need money and a good team with you . Then there is the need of having extreme proper care with the musical instruments. These aren't things that cost a penny. They are worth a lot of money and specially vintage synthesizers can be worth thousands if not more. These things can last a lifetime if you really know how to use them and take good care of them. Jean Michel still owns his first synthesizers that he used to produce Oxygen. And this one is really cool video says it was 1997 he was much younger. This one is the concert we think you will probably see him playing a keytar and the Laser harp and stuff. Shivering stuff @ 8:50 ... it's beautiful really. There's a 'Live Act' for you all and the video that technosomy posted is another good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djuna Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 If you have to fly 1000 km's to play in a desert without any insurance for your gear, I can understand that you don't bring anything valuably from the studio with you (Well, I didn't until now). But besides that, there's not really any excuse to play rendered tracks out of Cubase, which I've seen a lot. Where's even the fun in that? It's not even DJ'ing. It doesn't need to be like JMJ, there's no money for that in the psy world unless your name is Simon Posford, Eat Static or Juno Reactor. But still, a bit more effort wouldn't hurt anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Dance Recordings Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 If you have to fly 1000 km's to play in a desert without any insurance for your gear, I can understand that you don't bring anything valuably from the studio with you (Well, I didn't until now). But besides that, there's not really any excuse to play rendered tracks out of Cubase, which I've seen a lot. Where's even the fun in that? It's not even DJ'ing. It doesn't need to be like JMJ, there's no money for that in the psy world unless your name is Simon Posford, Eat Static or Juno Reactor. But still, a bit more effort wouldn't hurt anyone. Yes we explained that. and the fact it's not like JMJ it's because there is no money for it. But if you look at it even DJ's don't DJ anymore... As antic604 said : it's press play or 'stick your usb pen in' as we heard many years ago that astral did that lol As for Simon Posford, Eat Static or Juno Reactor we never seen him playing live but from those three we would believe Juno Reactor would. He has been involved in movie soundtracks such as the Matrix and that has put him in a really high place and very respectable in our opinion. As for Simon Posford we don't have any expectations as hallucinogen, we see him as hype along with raja ram but you are probably reffering to sphongle yes we remember now , they play live as a band. Eat Static... maybe. They are old school and if they had the proper conditions they would be able to as anybody else would be if the proper condition would be given. But there's no money , it's a big risk and it's as you said : 'If you have to fly 1000 km's to play in a desert without any insurance for your gear, I can understand that you don't bring anything valuably from the studio with you.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Dance Recordings Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Here's a simpler example : He's mixing with live tracking files and 2 amiga computers and we're not sure but we think he created a DJ software tool for the Amigas. Post Edit : The music is all Old School. Acid , breakbeats etc.. http://cdm.link/2013/12/amiga-back-djing-two-cdj-style-turntables-will-amaze-friends/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 There is thing called technical rider, in case you're playing live at big parties or festivals you know what kind of equipment you need to make a solid performance. If the organization is serious they will find the way to borrow/hire/get certain piece of equipment, if not, artist always can bring his own but also to make a written agreement/contract with organizer just to cover his expenses (in case equipment will be used by other artists and if he needs to pay certain customs and fees for the gear). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Dance Recordings Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 There is thing called technical rider, in case you're playing live at big parties or festivals you know what kind of equipment you need to make a solid performance. If the organization is serious they will find the way to borrow/hire/get certain piece of equipment, if not, artist always can bring his own but also to make a written agreement/contract with organizer just to cover his expenses (in case equipment will be used by other artists and if he needs to pay certain customs and fees for the gear). As for technical rider we found this article. We're not specialized in this field and we never heard of such thing before. Thanks Richpa! Might be interesting for some people to read about this. http://blog.sonicbids.com/7-elements-of-a-good-live-sound-tech-rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Dance Recordings Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 check out the masters at work 0:53 We spotted that Old Cubase from Atari ST: Only midi. Brilliant performance. http://tamw.atari-users.net/cubase.htm Think of this nowadays. It's not easy at all. It can be easy if there's two computers loaded with all kinds of DAWs and VST instruments and effects along with 2 midi controllers. That's simplest it can get. The artist can bring his personal and private project files along with him load them and perform. As for hardware it's not easy. Think of it : even if the organization can provide the instruments in order for an artist / band to perform their own music they would have to know their own sound presets/patches or bring their own instruments with them and the artist would have to setup the same setup as they had in the studio and load their midi files. It's a lot of stuff and that Etnica performance is nothing else worthy but amazing praise for the early work. Same goes with Transwave! Notice they were all using the same equip back in 1990. Atari ST cubase being the main choice mostly for every single artist because it's nearly flawless sequencing. It's really old but it's highly praised and you can see it running live it proves it. And this is how albums were made mostly then all finally connected to a DAT recorder and that's how we have DAT Records nowadays. Computers could not handle such high amount of data as we have today. At the time a computer all it could handle was a small quantity of Kb and even in the 90s hard drives were probably what ? 10mb - 30? That far from enough to hold a goa song , was impossible there was no other choice than to record to a real cassette recorder or any other format. That was basically it we think lol. It's all pretty cool in our opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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