pixiejanet Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 why? It's just wrong!! Was at a gig recently where the main act snuck this in his set.. is there a new genre of psy that i appear to have missed? What's going on with all the mash-up stuff?? Oh I so miss pretty fluffy MELODIC psytrance...CAN WE PLEASE PLEASE bring it back??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpongled247 Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 It is quite disgusting yupppp... :/ Thankfully not very prevalent and most people have realised it won't fly with a trance crowd. As for your fluffy melodic parties, London has a lot if them if prog is your thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixiejanet Posted December 7, 2013 Author Share Posted December 7, 2013 It is quite disgusting yupppp... :/ Thankfully not very prevalent and most people have realised it won't fly with a trance crowd. As for your fluffy melodic parties, London has a lot if them if prog is your thing. Used to go down to London in it's heyday...RTTS, Pendragon, Astral Phoenix and Escape From Samsara... oh and Mindscapes... Now i party oop North.. Sunrise and Kulu are my parties of choice now....not intending to go out much this next few months..saving for Boom! and hopefully some fluffy melodic goa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleFractaltribe Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I do not see a link if you have a specific sound you want us to listen to or if you just reference "this" as to Dubstep in general.Keep an open mind for everything. While you may not appreciate dubstep, it's important to realize that good music does exist in every genre. There IS good dubstep out there, perhaps you just have not heard it yet, dig deeper. Dubstep is like psytrance in that there are a plethora of subgenre categories for specific tempos, vibes, and sounds. There is a large worldwide community of highly psychedelic dub(step) that is contributing to removing the boundaries of genre elitism. I believe in the ability to have creative freedom in regards to musical creation. The producer/dj headliner is free to play whatever they choose. This is why they were booked in the first place; the promoter trusts the track selections and musical vibes of that musician. I suggest rather than voicing frustration, you put that energy toward learning the skills necessary to play music that you enjoy. This way you can creatively stimulate yourself and further your knowledge of music theory. In short, be part of the solution, however you envision that to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Agree 100%. Dubstep is horrendous, awful and pure garbage. Keep it away from my Psy and that goes to one of my fav artists as well (Shift). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancenonZENsedance Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I do not see a link if you have a specific sound you want us to listen to or if you just reference "this" as to Dubstep in general. Keep an open mind for everything. While you may not appreciate dubstep, it's important to realize that good music does exist in every genre. There IS good dubstep out there, perhaps you just have not heard it yet, dig deeper. Dubstep is like psytrance in that there are a plethora of subgenre categories for specific tempos, vibes, and sounds. There is a large worldwide community of highly psychedelic dub(step) that is contributing to removing the boundaries of genre elitism. I believe in the ability to have creative freedom in regards to musical creation. The producer/dj headliner is free to play whatever they choose. This is why they were booked in the first place; the promoter trusts the track selections and musical vibes of that musician. I suggest rather than voicing frustration, you put that energy toward learning the skills necessary to play music that you enjoy. This way you can creatively stimulate yourself and further your knowledge of music theory. In short, be part of the solution, however you envision that to be. Even though I'm hardly familiar with dubstep, I agree with everything you said. Almost. Because voicing frustration can have its merits, too, if done the right way. It's just another valid form of expression and communication in general imo and when it comes to this particular thing, dubstep parts in psytrance sets, in my experience, it doesn't work most of the time. The foundation of trance is repetition and continuous flow, and as far as I know dubstep and going by what I've heard of it, when worked into psytrance tracks/sets, it always breaks the trance/flow. I know that there's stuff like twilight psy/night full on/whatever you wanna call it, which has breaks and builds towards "drops", too, but it still feels different for me from the way dubstep teases one with an imminent "drop" that's delayed again and again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I do not see a link if you have a specific sound you want us to listen to or if you just reference "this" as to Dubstep in general. Keep an open mind for everything. While you may not appreciate dubstep, it's important to realize that good music does exist in every genre. There IS good dubstep out there, perhaps you just have not heard it yet, dig deeper. Dubstep is like psytrance in that there are a plethora of subgenre categories for specific tempos, vibes, and sounds. There is a large worldwide community of highly psychedelic dub(step) that is contributing to removing the boundaries of genre elitism. I believe in the ability to have creative freedom in regards to musical creation. The producer/dj headliner is free to play whatever they choose. This is why they were booked in the first place; the promoter trusts the track selections and musical vibes of that musician. I suggest rather than voicing frustration, you put that energy toward learning the skills necessary to play music that you enjoy. This way you can creatively stimulate yourself and further your knowledge of music theory. In short, be part of the solution, however you envision that to be. of course there is good dubstep out there, but dubstep is not psytrance and imho dubstep has no place in psytrance. no promoter will realize that people don't want dubstep if everyone just shuts up and keeps dancing ("to keep the vibes positive" or because they're too fucked up or for whatever other reason) instead of voicing their opinion. putting the energy toward producing, djing or releasing (, ...) the music they love is something that the majority of the psynewsers are already doing. i cannot speak for the others, but being on psynews certainly does not decrease the time i spend in logic, rather the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I think there's room for some dubstep influences in psytrance - it is after all a wide genre that thrives on variety. Here are a couple of crossover tracks I like: Bodhi - Toggle Boggle Dragon - Gravity Engine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desysko Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Well what kind of dubstep are you talking about? If you are talking about the modern sound with "crazy bass" and "crazy drops" then ya it's stupid. This song is the kind of dubstep that I sometimes listen to, usually referred to real dubstep from what I read from folks that like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollylovesgoa Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Agreed with above poster, real oldschool dubstep that came out of UK Garage in the early 00's (2000, 2001, 2002) was actually good, though i'd go a bit further back than Skream. Stuff like this: Having said that, I'd never combine it with Psytrance, they're at two completely different speeds and for dubstep to be even possible to mix in with psytrance it's going to be that Skrillex garbage (which in my opinion isn't actually dubstep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixiejanet Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 sorry, but if i hear dubstep in my trance anywhere I leave the floor and go find my mates in the smokin zone... Dragon(or something similar) was played by Earthling at Sunrise Leeds.. i wasnt impressed. I left the room and found some Northern Soul in the Breakfast tent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpongled247 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 ^^ Agreed heh.. Also, and a huge part of it for me is, gangster dubstep is totally and utterly disorienting if you are tripping at a party... To suddenly hear something like that is just... abrasive lol. Not in the way of dark psy abrasive but in a rather annoying, non trip conducive way. It just feels to me that it doesn't belong at that kind of space. I remember the first time I heard it at a party in Australia and i just found it all so funny. The "hecticness" of it... the gangster samples etc... just.. eww. Eventually i think we found it funny though. *Also agree though there is such thing as good dubstep.... The stuff that actually has Dub in it. Which is almost gone now and was already about 5 years ago anyway.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergi Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 If I go to an event advertised as a psychedelic trance event I'd probably be pretty concerned if they squeezed in other genres of music. If I want to listen to dubstep I'd be in a club playing dubstep... no? And for the record I like dubstep, most is of course just cannon fodder... but the tracks that survives the ballistic tests are goodness through and through. Dubstep BPM range ~144 bpm, so I guess it works mixing with psy (if it's not the going nuts at 160+ BPM psy)... though the end result is probably horrible, maybe I should try and see how it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixiejanet Posted December 8, 2013 Author Share Posted December 8, 2013 though the end result is probably horrible, maybe I should try and see how it sounds.It is...and NO, please dont! :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergi Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Hah! I'll probably try someday but I wouldn't make it my top priority. On another note, I got to see Shackelton live in Datcha (Fusion Festival). I wasn't impressed at all! He is supposed to be the master of dubstep but he kept playing dubstep without the breakbeats. Essentially he played dubstep with a four by four beat, which was utterly dissatisfying. This music style is most commonly known as Steppa... and... it's pretty boring stuff on a dancefloor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Ooh, how could I forget this? Dzadzakin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergi Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Hah! That is sooo Skrillex, but less poppy! You should check Celt Islam, Rotwang. If you haven't already of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exotic Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 dubstep just ruins the vibe whether in psytrance or otherwise. just the crappiest music ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptn Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I think I'll just quote myself from different topic : Recently I saw a nice description of dubstep: 'transformer raping a cat with a blender' . Pretty much sums up huge part of it, to each his own I guess. Fortunately (I've heard rumour that) there are some producers who search for sth more than loud bass and crispy snare. Personally I've had some trouble grasping concept of dancing to percussion going 50% speed of usual bpm, my first thougt was 'bunch of elephants is going to a funeral, should I stomp like them?'. I think firstly it's because of this strange percussion, why this music doesn't work for me. Screaming basses are the second reason for sure although I know there are some 'atmospheric' producers out there. I kinda like crossovers, where you can hear a bit of IDM or garage influences, Phaeleh comes to mind (quite calm and relaxing vibe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I agree about the idea that people should stay open-minded and give influences in music a chance. But for me personally dubstep and psy just don't work. At least not in those tracsk that I have heard so far. It really ruins my vibe at a party and I also don't dig that stuff for homelistening. I also fail to see the psychedelic side of those influences so they don't make any sense to me. I have the impression that (I can only talk about the tracks I heard so far) those influences come from a commercial point of view. Dubstep has been commercialised and lots of releases sound similar, same as with lots of psy/prog stuff. No wonder those two get mixed together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 dubstep just ruins the vibe whether in psytrance or otherwise. just the crappiest music ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 why all the hate? at least dubstep is infinitely better than minimal there's a psy-influenced dubstep mix from here in the dj promotion forum that i like and listen to occasionally. but to be honest i haven't found anything comparably good from outside psynews yet. Personally I've had some trouble grasping concept of dancing to percussion going 50% speed of usual bpm wait, what? why would anyone want to dance (or be able to dance) to dubstep? i've always figured that it's more the kind of music you at most bob your head to when you melt into your couch. i mean... seriously... it's clearly ment to be chillout music - just as danceable as a cbl or aes dana album, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 wait, what? why would anyone want to dance (or be able to dance) to dubstep? Maybe you should ask this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXO-jKksQkM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 well, he does look like slow motion most of the time; and i bet he could dance to cbl in the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 why all the hate? at least dubstep is infinitely better than minimal Everything is better than minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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