GagaISM Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I've noticed that most Trance listeners don't care much about the technology behind the music. There is a tendency to listen to and judge the music solely on melody and feel. Nothing wrong with that, but quite interesting as gear feticism is rampant in most other electronic genres. How many of you people know what a Roland TR-909 or JP-8080 is and do you even care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkill Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I know about the Roland TB-303, used for acid basslines or acid melody. At start, it was done for guitarist, but it finaly wasn't very good for that, and finally it gave huge help to the electronical music. Lot of acid goa melody have been done this way. Don't know much about the TR-909 and JP-8080... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 Would be cool to create some kind of timeline. Like when the Nord Lead was first introduced etc. That's something we haven't really delved into here on psynews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 I was recently told that Koxbox used the classic Juno synths, Nord lead, Akai samplers, the TR-909 and one I hadn't heard about before: http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/oscar.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I've noticed that most Trance listeners don't care much about the technology behind the music. There is a tendency to listen to and judge the music solely on melody and feel. Nothing wrong with that, but quite interesting as gear feticism is rampant in most other electronic genres. How many of you people know what a Roland TR-909 or JP-8080 is and do you even care? I know those synths but I don't hear them often even in oldschool goa trance. The tb 303 is not used a lot in Trance, but a few did use that synth in goa trance and it sounds good. Also the JP, Boris Blenn uses it a lot, it is a beautiful string generator and also great for leads, I wish many more artists had used it or would use it now. It is the ultimative synth but not used a lot. Leaves me without words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 Don't know much about the TR-909 and JP-8080...The Roland TR-909 was the first drum machine to introduce the punchy kick most Techno music is known for. It's been used by everyone from Jeff Mills to Astral Projection. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TR-909 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoptes Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I'm well aware of this musical equipment. Also you can find a synthesizer timeline here : http://www.vintagesynth.com/timeline/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I thought everyone knew what a 909 was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 I had the feeling that a lot of people didn't hence the thread. You often see the analog vs digital discussions, but the actual programming possibilities (and limits) played just as big a role in creating the classic Goa sound. There's thus a compositional aspect to analog equipment as well which I find very interesting. It never ceases amaze me how an act like Koxbox managed to do completely new things with much of the same equipment used by their peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkill Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 The Roland TR-909 was the first drum machine to introduce the punchy kick most Techno music is known for. It's been used by everyone from Jeff Mills to Astral Projection. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_TR-909 Okay, thanx for the information I thought everyone knew what a 909 was. In my personnal case, I've heard multiple time about the TB 303...but never about the TR-909 except in this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 It's probably about the same with any type of music: most people just want to listen and don't feel a need to know what's behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpongled247 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I think most people who dabble in production will know. I know what they are and where they fit in the birthing of the scene. To the real question though, and more interestingly i think.. Once you do know somewhat how things are made, do u listen and analyse the music differently? I find I sometimes do, but to be honest I'm only learning production so still have no idea how some of my favourite sounds are made. As I do learn that though I then become fascinated by the arrangements more and more... Sometimes however I just turn off that analytical part and enjoy the music.. I'm glad I can still do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Tbh I think it's better to not having any idea about the technology and even better about music production in general. IMO if you're too much in the technology side every time you listen to a specific hardware/vst you can be like 'Oh this is 303', 'I'm sure that's Albino','Sylenth! Unmistakable'. The same with writing music. Ever since I started to produce my own tracks I've realized that I'm unintentionally trying to 'decipher' the tracks instead of fully enjoy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Same for me, it passes after I stop proucing, a month or so after it stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 I'd rather much rather know what's going on than enjoy something which is actually generic shit. I can't stand the idea of "lost innocence". It's such a christian concept. A 909 will always be a 909, but only one in a million can play it like Mills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpongled247 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I think there is a good bit of truth in that... However by the same token you don't have to be Alex grey or Picasso to appreciate a painting.. So I have no idea what is ideal... Perhaps a little of both naivety and understanding of the underlying mechanisms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 The more I've learnt about production the more I've learnt how to recognize talent. That extra little thing that separates the greats from the not so greats. It might have changed my perception of a few artist in a negative way, but I've come to appreciate others so much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Tbh I think it's better to not having any idea about the technology and even better about music production in general. IMO if you're too much in the technology side every time you listen to a specific hardware/vst you can be like 'Oh this is 303', 'I'm sure that's Albino','Sylenth! Unmistakable'. The same with writing music. Ever since I started to produce my own tracks I've realized that I'm unintentionally trying to 'decipher' the tracks instead of fully enjoy them. being a 303 head i get this with every acidline. "wait, this is no real 303, but is it phoscyon or abl2? hmm.. so the resonance is almost like the real thing, but the low-mids are a bit musty and digital sounding, so it must be abl2" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 23, 2013 Author Share Posted June 23, 2013 It's hard to emulate an analog instrument in the first place, but the 303 is probably one of the hardest. I've never heard anything but a 303 sounding like a 303. Not even the hardware clones like xoxbox and Acidlab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 yeah, although they say that it's essentially the same thing, the x0xb0x does have a distinct sound, somehow "woodier" for lack of a better expression, and the envelopes aren't 100% right all the time. there's nothing like the real thing. still for goa, due to the usually crowded arrangement, you can most often get by with an emulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJEuforiske Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 For soft synths the venom vb-303 is probably the best in its category Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpongled247 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Heh I like how this has become the 303 thread Always thought ABL/Phoscyon were the best but I will check out the others mentioned here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Phoscyon and ABL II sound impressive in my opinion, they sound very real according to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaISM Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Now that we're talking about the 303, does anyone know who was the first to use it in Goa/Psy Trance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Now that we're talking about the 303, does anyone know who was the first to use it in Goa/Psy Trance? that's a strange question considering that it was used widely in trance before goa trance split off from it. so the question is: when does goa trance start. the earliest goa trance release i have in my library is the dragonfly compil project ii - trance and the 303 is already featured prominently on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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