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Don't imitate, innovate.

 

I know, but its like a type of construction of the sound is not imitating

(sorry for the bad english)

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man u forget to raise the bassline..

i didn't hear it at all

 

it's the same with the leads. i hardly hear anything beside the way too lound kick.

 

@op

listen to your favourite goa tracks and analyse what makes them great. try to recreate the melodies and the sounds. if you stumble upon something good along the way, save it. then use your skills/insight/methods you've learned to make something completely new :)

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Check the isratrance forum. There is lots of tips and tricks on making music. Then just try try try try and try... It takes a lot of time and dedication to make good music. Also on youtube and many other website there is good tutorials on how to make music and design sounds.

Imitating can teach you alot. If you are good enough to copy it you can start to innovate..

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I agree with the others. I can barely hear the lead or bassline at all. I recommend istening to your track on at least a couple different sets of speakers/headphones. On one set of speakers the kick/bass/lead may sound perfect, but on another it may be way too loud/quiet, which may be part of the problem.

 

I would also really suggest learning some music theory. A lot of people focus heavily on the technical side and forget the basics of music. Goa has a lot of melodies/harmonies so it's very important to at least understand some basic music theory. You don't always have to follow that theory of course (following scales/modes/etc 100% can be pretty boring), but it's at least a good starting point.

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Other than the lack of bass which was already mentioned, it's not a bad song.

 

I don't know if anyone can say "do X-Y-Z and that's how you make goa trance". I tried for years to achieve that "goa sound" and just found myself incapable. So I just make whatever. I suggest not worrying about making "real goa trance", just make music. The music you like will come through as influences.

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use a round kick. use 909 808 percussion. use analogue sounds . old synths like 3xosc ts404 for example thats as simple as it can get. i love 3xosc still today its so 'small' but i can pull real big huge sounds off it and due to my knowledge of synthesizer architecture i can imagine and emulate certain ways of sounding. you can use phasers , flangers , choruses effects ... important tools only get to them if i really need them depending on what idea you have to fit in the mix. most important effects are delay and reeverb .

as for the song flow i cannot help you because its unique , mostly every 8 bar a new sound comes in . make something enganging interesting to keep you in the song else you lose focus. its art . imagine mr miyagi teaching you this. it comes from you it must flow. not everybody can do it , its not easy. many goa artists fail imo to pull me in because their flow is just uninteresting i find it wack. some artists have a way other have another way . others have a certain groove others its completely flat straight random bland boring and so on.

Above all else its coming with an intersting song that will immerse you and thats what at least happens when i really put my mind into making a goa song.

also fast lines aka staccatos i think , pads , bass , percussion some effects... and i like to create my own sounds because its to easy to recognize presets its so lazy...

dont overload your sounds , goa isnt all about filling the sound space full of random sounds... i can do that with eyes closed and just drop anything but i prefer to keep it solid , straight , understandable , engaging , friendly , logical , easy to understand the sounds and listen. if it doesnt have any sense whats da fucking point?? but thats just me and my art .

as long as its good its good only the sound can explain it. if you feel your mix lacks something maybe more time is needed or maybe elements are bit too in one room so try and define your own musical keys. this is like learning karate in a way or anything else. lots of trial and error . well , most succeed just by developing their own style which is good :)

people , friends etc can help you aswel but friends usually are not always honest trying not to hurt your feelings n shit imo that isnt helpful at all i rather be honest and say shit . know what i mean . ive been in goa trance music for fucking donkey years since 2004 i think so ... yea i know a fuckin lot of how it works or not .

so best always be ready to take it in the face or sometimes your track is awesome and nobody cares but as long as you believe fuck everybodys elses opinion!

also make sure you have good equipment , good monitor headphones consult your musicshop , explain to them they can try and help.

 

well thats all for now good luck

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For years, I've been trying to get that psychedelic Goa sound. That electronic sound: synthetic, but with a pinch of an organic feeling.

This is like love: the more you search for it, the less possibilities to find it. For some of us this achievement takes years...

The best way to start is trying any DAW which fails in your hands until you find the one which you feel comfortable with: Finding that Goa'ish sound could take you hours. So, any DAW which makes making things easier, is welcomed. I have tried lots of DAWs since mid-90's, I started with FastTracker, learning from those compo's I could find on the net: Atuiliqon Alchemy, Heatseeker...
The thing is mostly going to help you is to listen to the music. The more you listen to it, the more you will learn. Of course, you'll have to be a good listener with a good "musical" sense.

Besides the recommendation of vst plugins like... Sylenth1 (known by all), Albino3 (the same), Silverbox (303), Nexus (ROM based multi sampler/synth, I don't know), Dune2 , TAL-U-NO-LX (Pads), and EFFECTS, of course, we don't go anywhere without them!: ArsAcoustic Verb (really nice Reverb), any frequency shifter which gives you the Flanger, anything could give you a Ping-Pong Delay...

...IS the question: How could you control all those warping repetitive morphing midi notes? It's not easy if you're not organized and get some help, also. Goatrance is not child's play, hehe, but...

 

Your very, very friends are the ARPEGIATTORS! Any could be ok, but I recommend you the BlueARP. It's blue, it's nice, it's handy and even better: free.

 

This is the starting point. Since here, your efforts would be very importants for developping any track, because sometimes not everything sounds "nice" at first (in the worst cases, even at the end).

 

Another thing would help you a lot could be scales (you know, from Cx to Cx+1, the only notes which are going to be used. E.g.: try Bhairav raga as scale: C3-Db-E-F-G-Ab-B). Do NOT use the rest of the keys in that octave. This is the indian feeling. Those mandalas, Ganesh, the incense smell, those hindi gods/goddess and all that stuff are in there. Its like Pandora's box, you just need to find the way to open the lock.

 

But remember, all this does nothing at all if you haven't listened enough.

Good luck, mate! =)

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