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MORE LIKE ***SHITE***GEIST LOL AMIRITE

 

Rotwang? Why did you censor me? So, I used size 7 font with caps. I was using the tools of this website to proclaim my admiration for Simon Posford. Then you make my post invisible? I was refuting the very immature and poor review of Simon Posford's Twisted Album by that annoying Mod -- probably your best buddy.

 

However, it is okay for you to publish this super weak post. So, in order to become a Mod, one has to submit a certain amount of posts? But, no actual experience or knowledge of the subject matter is required? You claim to be some math wizard. Why don't you conjure up some social skills. Do you know what synergy is? The sum of the whole is worth more than the individual parts. That means together is better than apart. Why do you push me away?

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Rotwang? Why did you censor me? So, I used size 7 font with caps. I was using the tools of this website to proclaim my admiration for Simon Posford. Then you make my post invisible? I was refuting the very immature and poor review of Simon Posford's Twisted Album by that annoying Mod -- probably your best buddy. However, it is okay for you to publish this super weak post. So, in order to become a Mod, one has to submit a certain amount of posts? But, no actual experience or knowledge of the subject matter is required? You claim to be some math wizard. Why don't you conjure up some social skills.

If only I could. Perhaps you can help me? Please, I would love to hear your advice about social skills, since you clearly excel in this area.

 

^ Which thread are you talking about ?

 

The Twisted review thread, but the posts involved are now invisible.

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I don't know how much my opinion matters anyways, but I am most definitely against censorship, especially it it's just because someone used a big font size !!!

 

I didn't censor his post with a large font size, I just made the font size smaller (he had previously been asked not to write long posts entirely in a large font by another mod). He responded by removing all the content of the post in question and replacing it with insults directed at me. Since those are off-topic for the review thread I removed them.

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of course there are Solutions out there

not exactly sollutions i think, but just ways to cover the bad things for a short period of time(u r economic friendly mind :)so i must notice to you that only where there is no hard control of the markets everything GOES well,the numbers going up and everybody are satisfied,for a short time )

after this short period of BOOMMMMMMMMM again

and then conversations like our take places in such forums :)

lets see how will work the sollutions of EU and Obama took

im waiting:)

have a good day

 

those are CYCLES dude, it is the essence of the Universe: a period of creation is followed by a period of destruction. Think of the Roman Empire: it grew and decayed centuries before capitalism existed. Think even further: the age of dinosaurs, or further still, the creation of the Earth and the Universe. Financial markets is just one (tiny) aspect of life in which the universal principle takes place. I'm amazed to see how many people take interest in oriental philosophy but at the same time fail to see a connection between that and our modern everyday life... anyway, good day to you too :)

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(anyone even bothered to read Marx around here?) yet surprisingly everywhere in the World were such "new ways" were implemented by the people were total faliures... so, call me a yuppie working long hours to be a slave of the "system", as long as someone doesn't show me an alternative system that WORKS in real life (not just idealists gathering around a joint speaking of how things should be) then I'll keep to my way of life thank you :)

 

Sometimes I wonder if you and I have seen the same movie. For starters, Peter Joseph's film GIVES an alternative to our current system in the form of a resource-based economy by looking at the natural needs of people, not money or profit.

 

And please stop talking about Marx, Socialism and Communism. It didn't work, but luckily, here in Europe, we've adapted the system to a more socially "enlightened system" by our social and medical security. So it wasn't all that bad in the end now was it? You fail to see that all the systems that were put in place the last 150 years or so all were systems based on the limited knowledge of that time. The people back then didn't know our resources were finite. To me, all these systems are transitional. The Capitalistic system had it's time, it had a good prospect more then a 100 hundred years ago with the Industrial Revolution. But now, It's primitive, corrupted and dated.

 

those are CYCLES dude, it is the essence of the Universe: a period of creation is followed by a period of destruction. Think of the Roman Empire: it grew and decayed centuries before capitalism existed. Think even further: the age of dinosaurs, or further still, the creation of the Earth and the Universe. Financial markets is just one (tiny) aspect of life in which the universal principle takes place. I'm amazed to see how many people take interest in oriental philosophy but at the same time fail to see a connection between that and our modern everyday life... anyway, good day to you too :)

 

Economics is NOT a science, it has NOTHING to do with the natural order of things. It's a game that is manipulated by the most important players. The natural order of things is that it needs to fall, just like the Roman Empire did. They got greedy and lusted in the submission of other people too. To hell with it!

 

I've read some of the posts in the other thread you posted Lemmi. I've read somewhere you thought this film was thought-provoking. What happened in the meantime? Are you protecting the status quo we are in now just for the sake of argument?

 

I haven't read anything that really debunks the moral issue in Zeitgeist, nor the facts. The only thing I know now that some of you learned how to use google, congratulations on that! "But this source says this, bla bla bla" "It's all utter BS, etc..."

 

Take a good look around people. All the things you have in your houses and the things you possess, has gone through the hands of some labourer working for a wage just enough to provide for their families wether fabricating or in distribution, or more likely nowadays somewhere cheaply in some foreign country. They are the backbone of the Capitalistic system and if they start to rise up...well you know... I know at firsthand because I've worked in distribution-warehouses for several years and I still do as a matter of fact, sadly, I still need money. Believe me, these are the folks the people in power wanna keep dumb, deaf and blind. And TBH, who really needs all that sh*t they are trying to sell you anyway?!?

 

Goodnight and Good Luck!

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those are CYCLES dude, it is the essence of the Universe: a period of creation is followed by a period of destruction. Think of the Roman Empire: it grew and decayed centuries before capitalism existed. Think even further: the age of dinosaurs, or further still, the creation of the Earth and the Universe. Financial markets is just one (tiny) aspect of life in which the universal principle takes place. I'm amazed to see how many people take interest in oriental philosophy but at the same time fail to see a connection between that and our modern everyday life... anyway, good day to you too :)

 

i disagree

the above examples are from the begining of existence

economic life is not fundamental element of life ,universe

 

the up and and down in economy is manipulated

there is period of ''wealth'' and high profits then all the banks sell loans etc

the people buy stuff ,cars ,houses etc etc

and one day the system take all these stuff and the people not only loose what they buy,build,etc etc etc but they loan the rest of their life (when i speak about system i mean the bankers)

 

the up and down at economy are not universe facts or big numbers atributes

its a phase created and manipulated by the bankers, THE SYSTEM lol

The Cycles at eco are manipulated by which way??

i wrote it above

at the ages of fat cows there is a soft controls at markets,everyone bet for everything

and in one night the scene is changed because a mr like Soros make a criminal-gambling move

then here comes the state

''We will smack bankers asses lol,we will cut their bonus""

in the other side the bankers are laughing

and they pass their weights to the people etc etc

 

even i cant see any equivalence at your examples and economic cycle

ok lets follow your idea

when roman empire felt a another empire appeared the Byzantine

there was a evolution not only in economy ,but in science etc etc

 

when dinosaurs felt the mammals arise (physical evolution)

 

in nowdays the system falls and begin the same (even harder) procedure

this what i state with the above

Roman felt Byzantine arise (its physical YES)

Leaman ,AIG felt,,,,,,,,,,,,,AIG,LEAMAN arise (this is NOT physical)with the money of americans,eu people

nothing evolutianary happened

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Sometimes I wonder if you and I have seen the same movie. For starters, Peter Joseph's film GIVES an alternative to our current system in the form of a resource-based economy by looking at the natural needs of people, not money or profit.

ok I admit I've seen it a few years ago so it's all a bit fuzzy in my mind now and since I was dissappointed by it I don't really feel like watching it again. Anyway I remember that they presented some far-out ideas that needed tremendous techical challenges like something that could be easily achievable in a few years, like for example replacing airplanes with high speed trains that travelled through vacuum tubes... Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the ideas aren't good, nor that they couldn't work in a few hundred years, just that there's a HUGE gap between ideals and real-life reality. I remember reading some books written in the 60s claiming that immortality was a goal achievable within a generation or 2. Well guess what, it never happened. And simply pointing out conspiracies for not letting it work is a bit too easy IMO...

 

 

 

And please stop talking about Marx, Socialism and Communism. It didn't work, but luckily, here in Europe, we've adapted the system to a more socially "enlightened system" by our social and medical security. So it wasn't all that bad in the end now was it? You fail to see that all the systems that were put in place the last 150 years or so all were systems based on the limited knowledge of that time. The people back then didn't know our resources were finite. To me, all these systems are transitional. The Capitalistic system had it's time, it had a good prospect more then a 100 hundred years ago with the Industrial Revolution. But now, It's primitive, corrupted and dated.

LOL I'm especially pointing out Marx, Socialism and Communism because it is those very same ideas that have been served again and again through generations under different names and that neo-hippie-alter-mondialists seem to cherish so much. And the way I see it, countries like Sweden didn't adapt communism to make it work, it's more like adapting capitalism, I don't think a single person in Scandinavia would say that their country is communist rather than capitalist. Ideals adapt, I agree (capitalism in 2011 is VERY different from capitalism in 1929, even in ultra-conservatory countries like the US), but from there to saying that capitalism as a whole is dying, sorry but no, I reckon it still has a few hundred years left... IMO real change will only come when mankind will master nanothechnology to the point of being able to create anything they wanted by simply pressing a button and I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

 

 

Economics is NOT a science, it has NOTHING to do with the natural order of things. It's a game that is manipulated by the most important players. The natural order of things is that it needs to fall, just like the Roman Empire did. They got greedy and lusted in the submission of other people too. To hell with it!

i disagree

the above examples are from the begining of existence

economic life is not fundamental element of life ,universe

 

the up and and down in economy is manipulated

there is period of ''wealth'' and high profits then all the banks sell loans etc

the people buy stuff ,cars ,houses etc etc

and one day the system take all these stuff and the people not only loose what they buy,build,etc etc etc but they loan the rest of their life (when i speak about system i mean the bankers)

 

the up and down at economy are not universe facts or big numbers atributes

its a phase created and manipulated by the bankers, THE SYSTEM lol

The Cycles at eco are manipulated by which way??

i wrote it above

at the ages of fat cows there is a soft controls at markets,everyone bet for everything

and in one night the scene is changed because a mr like Soros make a criminal-gambling move

then here comes the state

''We will smack bankers asses lol,we will cut their bonus""

in the other side the bankers are laughing

and they pass their weights to the people etc etc

NOT TRUE!!!! I am sorry but claiming that every economic crisis is due to a buch of greedy bankers who make a profit from speculating is as naive and ridiculous as claiming that hurricanes happen because God farts. I know that alter-mondialists and various anti-capitalist groups keep this argument dear to their hearts but it is FALSE!!! Please, get some economics 101 books, follow the financial media, do whatever to try to get a grasp on how the financial markets work and you will see just how false this argument is. But of course I guess you'll tell me that economics books were especially made to make you believe that it has something to do with the natural order or things, that is kindof akin to saying that God made fossils to make atheists believe in the theory of evolution. There is a point where you just cannot go further if you refuse to listen to logical arguments and just decide to keep your eyes shut.

 

I've read some of the posts in the other thread you posted Lemmi. I've read somewhere you thought this film was thought-provoking. What happened in the meantime? Are you protecting the status quo we are in now just for the sake of argument?

I haven't read anything that really debunks the moral issue in Zeitgeist, nor the facts. The only thing I know now that some of you learned how to use google, congratulations on that! "But this source says this, bla bla bla" "It's all utter BS, etc..."

In the meantime I've done some background checks on the arguments presented and realized just how poorly-researched they were, thus losing a LOT of credit. Of course, I guess that this movie has at least the merit of making you see things through a different perspective but at the end of the day, if you are gullible enough to believe everything on face value without bothering to do some background checks then it does more harm than good to see it IMO.

 

"I haven't read anything that really debunks the moral issue in Zeitgeist, nor the facts." then you are death and blind my brother (something else comes to mind but I'm trying to stay polite ;)). Again, there is a point where if you just won't open your mind to logic then you are lost and no amount of conversation will ever change that...

 

 

 

 

 

even i cant see any equivalence at your examples and economic cycle

ok lets follow your idea

when roman empire felt a another empire appeared the Byzantine

there was a evolution not only in economy ,but in science etc etc

 

when dinosaurs felt the mammals arise (physical evolution)

 

in nowdays the system falls and begin the same (even harder) procedure

this what i state with the above

Roman felt Byzantine arise (its physical YES)

Leaman ,AIG felt,,,,,,,,,,,,,AIG,LEAMAN arise (this is NOT physical)with the money of americans,eu people

nothing evolutianary happened

 

hmm no, when the Roman empire died (Byzantine WAS part of the great Roman Empire...) then we were left with the "dark ages" when there was a general regression in human science, welfare, art etc... for ages.

 

Leaman ,AIG felt,,,,,,,,,,,,,AIG,LEAMAN arise (this is NOT physical)with the money of americans,eu people

nothing evolutianary happened hehe this kindof argument shows me just how little you know about the economic reality out there and, by consequent, how easily you adhere to non-logical arguments. Of course it is much easier to believe crap when you don't know better then to believe crap when you have a little background knowledge about the subject, that is human nature and is normal. What is not normal is to willingly refuse to gather some background information to check whether the arguments presented are actually true... (not going to explain what happened to AIG and "Leaman", I'll just let you read a bit on it ;) )

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Well Lemmi certain implementations of anarchism and a system without money has happened in small scales( jewish "kibbutz"(spelling)), Spain (short period,didn't prosper for long because the fascists won the war), Argentina ( economy based on trades only ) even Christiania in Denmark. If you ask me organization in small , self-sustained, self-organized social cells is feasible ...

 

Also you say Sweden adapted capitalism , I think it pretty much adopter socialism too .

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hmm no, when the Roman empire died (Byzantine WAS part of the great Roman Empire...) then we were left with the "dark ages" when there was a general regression in human science, welfare, art etc... for ages.

 

 

no no

Byzantine Empire (im not talking for byzantine as a geografical place but Byzantine as Empire) isnt part of great Rome's Empire

BYzantine as empire established after the fall of roman empire

in the term Roman Empire ,the word Roman was reference to Greeks (Ρωμιος in greeks)

Byzantine empire is a empire of Greeks after the early years (after the transparent age from Rome's Empire)

 

maybe was a mistake of mine tou use the word Roman in my example

i meant the Latin empire of Rome :)

its a big big story and the details cannot talked easy in few words

Rome's empire(western part ) started to fall at 476

the Byzantine Empire (ex eastern part of Rome's Empire) fall at 1453

 

and another thing when in western europe there was in the named dark age in Byzantine

there was rise of letters ,science etc etc etc

hence the crusadors wanted to conquer Konstantinupoli

there was big wealth at Byzantine ,with great structure in any section

PLS dont disagree to the aboveeeeeee !!!!!!!!!

:):):)

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NOT TRUE!!!! I am sorry but claiming that every economic crisis is due to a buch of greedy bankers who make a profit from speculating is as naive and ridiculous as claiming that hurricanes happen because God farts. I know that alter-mondialists and various anti-capitalist groups keep this argument dear to their hearts but it is FALSE!!! Please, get some economics 101 books, follow the financial media, do whatever to try to get a grasp on how the financial markets work and you will see just how false this argument is. But of course I guess you'll tell me that economics books were especially made to make you believe that it has something to do with the natural order or things, that is kindof akin to saying that God made fossils to make atheists believe in the theory of evolution. There is a point where you just cannot go further if you refuse to listen to logical arguments and just decide to keep your eyes shut.

 

 

 

In the meantime I've done some background checks on the arguments presented and realized just how poorly-researched they were, thus losing a LOT of credit. Of course, I guess that this movie has at least the merit of making you see things through a different perspective but at the end of the day, if you are gullible enough to believe everything on face value without bothering to do some background checks then it does more harm than good to see it IMO.

 

"I haven't read anything that really debunks the moral issue in Zeitgeist, nor the facts." then you are death and blind my brother (something else comes to mind but I'm trying to stay polite ;)). Again, there is a point where if you just won't open your mind to logic then you are lost and no amount of conversation will ever change that...

 

http://www.alternet.org/economy/150632/big_finance_is_a_monster_that%27s_consuming_our_economic_security/?page=1

 

Some facts for you Lemmi.

 

I'm very well and alive nor did I lose my eyesight. Thanx for being so polite. Throwing names and such is usually the first sign of weakness from one's adversary. I'm not gonna play that game.

 

Clearly, you and I are on a totally different page. I really don't have to study economics to see where it all leads to. It's pretty simple IMO. PROFIT!!! AND MORE PROFIT AT ANY EXPENSE!. Economics as we know it stopped serving the basic needs of human beings a long time ago, it does quite the opposite now, supplying us with as much junk we can afford, and by doing so, turning us all into lunatics. ECONOMICS=THE NEW RELIGION. Clearly, you are a dedicated follower. To each his own I guess. So tell me, mr PhD, how are we gonna tackle unemployement the next 50 years, globally? How are we gonna tackle the environmental problems, over-population, etc...not to mention the injustice and poverty as a direct result of a failing monetary system.

 

Why are we still manufacturing and selling weapons to conflict areas causing death and destruction on a massive scale? Why? Because it is big business, that's why.

 

And forget about conspiracies man. Everything is happening right in front of our eyes. The people in power and their political puppets(read BIG BANKS & CORPORATIONS) don't have to cover-up jack shit. We are merely sheep to them, cattle, ready to swallow whatever. The Matrix in full effect. They, yes THEY, would put a price on the Earth and sell it if they only could.

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vmaj75xzE&feature=related

 

This song fits the mood I'm in regarding this subject perfectly. Please, read between the lines!

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If only I could. Perhaps you can help me? Please, I would love to hear your advice about social skills, since you clearly excel in this area.

 

 

 

The Twisted review thread, but the posts involved are now invisible.

 

 

You noticed that, too? I think it best, at this point, I am diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome. At least I would have a doctor's note to excuse my "inability to interact well with others." Unfortunately my behavior seems to pose a threat most institutions and any company that has to maintain an image. So, I don't think I could even make an appointment without insulting the assistant.

 

When I moved back here, I needed to see the doctor that I went to before I left. I don't have medical insurance. because I am in the USA. Anyway the receptionist said it had been too long, I had to pay the Initial Consult Fee, again...I said I know it's been a long time, but he knows me, can you at least ask him. So, she starts getting very emotional and was shutting me down. She did not even listen to my request. And then, she is all flustered and tells me she will leave him q messqe...okay, fine.

 

I get a voicemail from her that he had retired and was no longer seeing patients. So, I did some research of possible replacements. Long story-short. I find out from the other Doctor that the guy never retired... I calll the office a couple months later and I after rehearsing the behavior of a amiable person. I got an appointment, I did not request a lower rate. So, now everything is cool. But, I am not exactly sure what caused her to choose that lie.

 

It is my charming personality. I don't play hard to get, I play hard to want.

 

Thanks for not taking me too seriously.

 

:wacko:

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