PRS Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 are house and techno also spoiled? (trance obv yes, incl psy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 If those are the criteria then every single style is spoiled, besides the stuff we haven't heard about. As I said, who cares? there is lots of good music in the psy sector and its various subgenre and I'm not too lazly to dig for it. It's up to me if I want to attend underground parties or big commercial events, I have the freedom of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abasio Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Every style is spoiled, or will be eventually anyway. It doesn't mean that there is less good music though. When a style becomes popluar and a load of talentless cretins try to get in on it and release 99% crap, yeah most of the music is shitty but with all these hacks there inevitably come the 1% genius artists and the bigger the style gets the more artists there will be in this top percentile. The good stuff will become more & more however the bad stuff will still swamp it and it can be annoyingly difficult to find the gems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 24, 2011 Author Share Posted February 24, 2011 I still stand by my earlier statement. come on, even Ministry of Sound is releasing dubstep comps these days... what more arguments do you want? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynhamsui Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Dubstep is a genre with a lot of potential IMO, not really into it right now but Im pretty sure someones gonna take it to another level this decade and then I will reconsider it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needle ninja Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I still fail to see why people (well, you in that context) think that music that is liked and bought by a lot of people automaticaly it is just made to please and not because the artist himiself likes it that way.It is almost as if it goes without saying that most people have bad taste.... I love that things don't change around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redington Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 come on, even Ministry of Sound is releasing dubstep comps these days... what more arguments do you want? lol When producers like Mala or Distance or Burial or Kromestar move onto something else. When the good producers give up. Like I said earlier. You're looking at it from a point of view where you'll end up being disappointed because almost always the mainstream messes about with good quality music. You have to look at it from a point where you don't pay attention to any of that more than need be. I don't really care if Britney Spears or Enimen or the next mainstream artist wants to cash in on a supposedly new sound by making underwhelming and/or horrid tunes. I don't listen to that stuff. I listen to music that I like and when that starts evaporating to a point where there's none left then so be it. Once the momentum's going in that direction then it's going to take an equally or stronger momentum to get it away from that. And it's basically impossible because that's where the money is that's where artists can "sell-out", that's where it gets mutated into something else entirely. Why is it like this? That's the question. Why does mainstream seemingly have to ruin every bit of enjoyable music that people become disconnected to it yet apparently everyone likes it? I think the main factor is money among the motives behind the money; among other things. And there might be a very small, minuscule possibility that not all of the mainstream music is inherently bad. It's a wonder that some music can weather the test of mainstream consumerism and still come out fine; more or less. Maybe we should be analyzing that genre and see if it can be replicated with other good genres. That what when the mainstream spits it out for the next big/cool/hip thing it won't resemble a pathetic version of it's former self. But that would be a big undertaking; certainly something bigger than a couple of people talking about it on an internet forum, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 It is almost as if it goes without saying that most people have bad taste.... I love that things don't change around here. Yeah, things around here rarely change. Some people still think they are superior becuase of their exquisite taste. Taste is taste is taste, you know. Back to the original argument: redington says it all. Besides that: who cares if a style is cool or not, especially if the same person claims it's only about the music anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 When producers like Mala or Distance or Burial or Kromestar move onto something else. When the good producers give up. Like I said earlier. You're looking at it from a point of view where you'll end up being disappointed because almost always the mainstream messes about with good quality music. You have to look at it from a point where you don't pay attention to any of that more than need be. I don't really care if Britney Spears or Enimen or the next mainstream artist wants to cash in on a supposedly new sound by making underwhelming and/or horrid tunes. I don't listen to that stuff. I listen to music that I like and when that starts evaporating to a point where there's none left then so be it. Once the momentum's going in that direction then it's going to take an equally or stronger momentum to get it away from that. And it's basically impossible because that's where the money is that's where artists can "sell-out", that's where it gets mutated into something else entirely. Why is it like this? That's the question. Why does mainstream seemingly have to ruin every bit of enjoyable music that people become disconnected to it yet apparently everyone likes it? I think the main factor is money among the motives behind the money; among other things. And there might be a very small, minuscule possibility that not all of the mainstream music is inherently bad. It's a wonder that some music can weather the test of mainstream consumerism and still come out fine; more or less. Maybe we should be analyzing that genre and see if it can be replicated with other good genres. That what when the mainstream spits it out for the next big/cool/hip thing it won't resemble a pathetic version of it's former self. But that would be a big undertaking; certainly something bigger than a couple of people talking about it on an internet forum, of course. ok I kindof agree with what you are saying here Back to the original argument: redington says it all. Besides that: who cares if a style is cool or not, especially if the same person claims it's only about the music anyway? BECAUSE THE MUSIC IS GETTING BAAAAAAAD!!! anyway, I'm starting to think that you're just counter-arguing for the sake of discussion, I mean, if you really believed everything you were saying, why waste your time on a psytrance forum in the first place, why not be just fan no. 16875412 on Britney Spear's fan page and spend your day talking about how cool her new haircut is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rino Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Has become un-cool now... NOW?!?! I LOL-ed. Very much so. I don't like busting helium balloons, and taking pisses in other people's champagne glasses, buuuuuuuuuut... Ever since this trite musical invention broke the boundaries of Brixton and Croydon of east London, guess what: it has been a part of the mainstream. As soon as Benga's (what a waste, the guy...) and Horsepower Productions' releases made it beyond the shelves of the Big Apple vinyl shop, guess what: it became a mainstream phenomenon. That dubstep has been keeping it real? Where? Cambodia, maybe. North Korea - quite certainly. The same way as the London's core of techno producers got world wide exposure during the nineties after having their releases breaking out of the Fat Cat record store (God, was that place amazing - second to none in London!), the same thing happened with the dubwhateverthephuck you call it producers. Shoot me, but I don't see Ruskin, Kennedy, S. Bicknell (where are you?), Duley, Oliver Ho and who-else-not getting flamed on internet forums, and accused of being un-cool becuase their reputation and credentials have spanned world wide during the past decade and a half. In february 2011, not only is dubstep huuuuuuuuuuuge, all over, but the fact girlies like Britney Spears are on the bandwagon only mean they got there about 3-4 years late. Apparently, she isn't the only one either... I think she is free to do whatever she wants, music wise. And nobody on this planet can state otherwise. God forbid a scene where Benga and Burial are keeping things real. Actually, why not... If 50 Cent and the car pimping Xzibit can claim the 'realness', then maybe the above mentioned gentlemen deserve a piece too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsu Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 ok I kindof agree with what you are saying here BECAUSE THE MUSIC IS GETTING BAAAAAAAD!!! anyway, I'm starting to think that you're just counter-arguing for the sake of discussion, I mean, if you really believed everything you were saying, why waste your time on a psytrance forum in the first place, why not be just fan no. 16875412 on Britney Spear's fan page and spend your day talking about how cool her new haircut is? I think you don't really understand what I want to say (I'm not saying it is not because of me failling to explain it btw). Yes, I do believe everything I say. And no I don't doubt that because of commercialism more bad music gets released. My point is the following: if you dismiss a whole style because it is commercialised (something that imho will happen sooner or later anyway to any style, at least to a certain degree) then imho you don't care that much for the music but more for a certain image. I think that because if you would care for the music in the first place you would look for those releases that are still good instead of crying about how uncool the style has become. You love the music but it is not worth it to you to look for the good releases? Or you don't want to listen to it because everybody and their pets does? Way to go... Dubstep is not cool anymore? Who fucking cares if you only care for the music? You don't have to go to commercial parties and you don't have to listen to the commercial releases longer than a few seconds because your searching for the good music. If you still do it, it's your own fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redington Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 ok I kindof agree with what you are saying here Then I believe that's about as close as we're going to get to agreeing with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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