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so you say its wrong to "rebel" against a dictator that makes decisions you dont agree with at all? hmm okay...

 

(not that im calling mars a dictator)

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i will say, by behaving like a dick on HIS forum, is not being a rebel. being a rebel is to start a new forum, and steal all of the members from this forum.... ;)
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so you say its wrong to "rebel" against a dictator that makes decisions you dont agree with at all? hmm okay...

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Of course not, I'm just saying it's most probably useless. Especially if you're targeting the moderators, who are just trying to keep psynews online.
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i will say, by behaving like a dick on HIS forum, is not being a rebel. being a rebel is to start a new forum, and steal all of the members from this forum.... ;)

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i used the word "rebel" because snapinho was using the analogy of a dictatorship. i meant voicing your opinion if you feel something is going wrong. of course this can happen in a non constructive way, like disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. but not all complaints are like that (see sherlocks post)

 

i still dont get why its so important to mars what is going on here. as long as there are no legal issues there should be no problem.

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i used the word "rebel" because snapinho was using the analogy of a dictatorship. i meant voicing your opinion if you feel something is going wrong. of course this can happen in a non constructive way, like disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. but not all complaints are like that (see sherlocks post)

 

i still dont get why its so important to mars what is going on here. as long as there are no legal issues there should be no problem.

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bandwidht? diskspace? server maintenance? want me to name some more? it is his server, it is his site, it is his money that pays for the isp.... need I say more? :)
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Its incredible how it seems, at least to me, that you guys dont ever question yourselves how comes psynews was so great ´back in the days´ and it didnt have moderation?

Ehhh, when excatly wasnt there moderation here?

 

Even when you used your metalman alias(that was you wasnt it?) there was moderation here.

 

stop being so strict, and locking topics.. let more space for conflicts and resolution of conflicts (unless it passes an obvious line) .. its important in life just like here..

Thats the thing isnt it? When has it crossed the obvious line?

Its subjective what that line is, agreed?

Well it seems the owner think its crossed, whether you, I or anybody else agrees with it.

The way I see it we can either accept it, or walk away.

 

Just my 2 rupees.

 

Peace

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2 - Nemo moving reznik´s topic

 

I know this wasnt a consciously negative thing, nemo, dont worry, and you even appologized (I think).. BUT, it shows what I meant with the ´initial attitude´. Instead of, for example, changing something because it needed to be changed functionally when it is seen, it seems you came with the idea that something had to be changed in the first place, therefore filtering topics that in your mind should be changed... So, instead of doing something for the need, you did something for the necessity of topics to fit your own model

 

Dear Alien,

 

Let me explain the search function to you. When you search a forum, and you can specify the PART of the forum that you want to search, you will keep the performance to a maximum at all times. Meaning, if you search the WHOLE forum for "CPU Broken" it will take up more memory, than if you search the "Tech Talk" forum for "CPU Broken".

 

So, what the AIM was to do, is to create a forum where ALL the techie talk could be. In order to find it better, and keep the searching of the forum from slowing down the experience for the OTHER users that are reading.

 

Now, I was MOVING threads that were computer related into that forum, and I dont have TIME to read each and every thread. By mistake the thread was moved, which then my friend Reznik pointed out. It was then MOVED back to offtopic, and the matter ended there.

 

Now, YOU make an Elephant out of a FLY :D

 

You know, we made an effort to sort all the reviews, moving all the old reviews etc etc, into the years they belong, and so on and so forth. This is ALSO for YOUR convenience, and for the server NOT to take such a beating when being searched.

 

Now, did I explain that clearly enough?

 

Hope you dont find my answer very degrading or offending, as I merly try to explain how the world of php and mysql works on a server..... etc etc. :)

 

Now, have a nice evening.

 

Nemo

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Dear Alien,

 

Let me explain the search function to you. When you search a forum, and you can specify the PART of the forum that you want to search, you will keep the performance to a maximum at all times. Meaning, if you search the WHOLE forum for "CPU Broken" it will take up more memory, than if you search the "Tech Talk" forum for "CPU Broken".

 

So, what the AIM was to do, is to create a forum where ALL the techie talk could be. In order to find it better, and keep the searching of the forum from slowing down the experience for the OTHER users that are reading.

 

Now, I was MOVING threads that were computer related into that forum, and I dont have TIME to read each and every thread. By mistake the thread was moved, which then my friend Reznik pointed out. It was then MOVED back to offtopic, and the matter ended there.

 

Now, YOU make an Elephant out of a FLY :D

 

You know, we made an effort to sort all the reviews, moving all the old reviews etc etc, into the years they belong, and so on and so forth. This is ALSO for YOUR convenience, and for the server NOT to take such a beating when being searched.

 

Now, did I explain that clearly enough?

 

Hope you dont find my answer very degrading or offending, as I merly try to explain how the world of php and mysql works on a server..... etc etc. :)

 

Now, have a nice evening.

 

Nemo

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yes, thank you for explaining :)

 

now I hope this doesnt prevent you from thinking about the essence of what my whole argument was about :rolleyes:

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yes, thank you for explaining :)

 

now I hope this doesnt prevent you from thinking about the essence of what my whole argument was about  :rolleyes:

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you always have the same argument sherlock, and we always give you the same answer.... :( dont take it personal though, you know I love you anyways! :)
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Im gonna bring this up to the moderators. I am going to suggest that NO MODERATION will be done in ONE months time. We will not close any threads that are spam, we will not barge in when there are fights, and we will not react to any reports that we get, when a user gets flamed or insulted by another member. We will simply just watch and see what happens under that month, and then we will see? Right? I dont know if the moderators are willing to do so, but I am willing to give it a try.

 

I am not out to prove a point... I just want to see what happens with the offtopic, if total anarchy is allowed. You can flame as much as you want, and you can offend anyone you want. You can disgrace their mother, and call their sisters whores.

 

Lets do that (And yes, I am serious!)

 

Nemo

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you always have the same argument sherlock, and we always give you the same answer.... :( dont take it personal though, you know I love you anyways! :)

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so you think I was unreasonable and/or simply repetitive, and there´s not much for you to question yourself about the things I said?

 

Im sorry for that... I really thought it was quite reasonable, and not just being against for the sake of it..

 

but thats life.. Im not even in the forum so much anymore.. but I honestly thought it could be better for everybody, with small changes...

 

 

and dont worry, im not taking this personal at all.. As I mentioned before, I also dont mean my criticism towards you all personally, but more towards the role and the behavior..

 

anyways, I wont repeat myself again, dont worry..

 

only one more thing I want to say is a criticism towards this view of ´either accept it totally or get out totally´. I find that awefully black and white, and doesnt allow for the multiple possibilities of the system, and changes that could come both from the participants and from the ´controllers´.. Reminds me of those ´either you´re with us or against us´ sort of speeches.. Why does one that criticise have to be called a rebel and be asked to conform or to leave? Isnt it possible to make reasonable criticisms (which dont necessarily have to be accepted, of course, but at least considered, imo) ? ... Seems a bit too rigid, and once again, not in the psynews ´soul´ that got me into enjoying this place..

 

Nemo.. one last thing.. When I suggest these things, I dont want you to suddenly change and say ´yes you are right, we will make psynews the way you want´.. I just hope you think a bit about it, and maybe in some particular moment, you think twice before doing something through those special buttons that you must have there with the admin priviledges.. know what I mean? ok I guess I am repeating myself now..

 

so thats it.. sorry to bother you all

 

good night :)

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so you think I was unreasonable and/or simply repetitive, and there´s not much for you to question yourself about the things I said?

 

Im sorry for that... I really thought it was quite reasonable, and not just being against for the sake of it.. 

 

but thats life..  Im not even in the forum so much anymore..  but I honestly thought it could be better for everybody, with small changes...

and dont worry, im not taking this personal at all.. As I mentioned before, I also dont mean my criticism towards you all personally, but more towards the role and the behavior..

 

anyways, I wont repeat myself again, dont worry.. 

 

only one more thing I want to say is a criticism towards this view of ´either accept it totally or get out totally´. I find that awefully black and white, and doesnt allow for the multiple possibilities of the system, and changes that could come both from the participants and from the ´controllers´..  Reminds me of those ´either you´re with us or against us´ sort of speeches..  Why does one that criticise have to be called a rebel and be asked to conform or to leave? Isnt it possible to make reasonable criticisms (which dont necessarily have to be accepted, of course, but at least considered, imo) ? ...  Seems a bit too rigid, and once again, not in the psynews ´soul´ that got me into enjoying this place..

 

Nemo.. one last thing..  When I suggest these things, I dont want you to suddenly change and say ´yes you are right, we will make psynews the way you want´..  I just  hope you think a bit about it, and maybe in some particular moment, you think twice before doing something through those special buttons that you must have there with the admin priviledges..  know what I mean?  ok I guess I am repeating myself now.. 

 

so thats it.. sorry to bother you all

 

good night :)

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Read my suggestion. I am willing to give that a try, if the other mods and mars agrees to it.

 

And do not take it personal, as you are not offending me personally when you write. Dont worry about that! I always enjoy reading what you write! It gives room for thought.

 

Yes, in the end we both want the same I think.... a psynews where we do not fight, and were people are being creative and innovative.

 

By the way, it was not so heavily moderated for the last year, yet I didnt see you here too much? Whats the reason for that? :)

 

Nemo

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Im gonna bring this up to the moderators. I am going to suggest that NO MODERATION will be done in ONE months time. We will not close any threads that are spam, we will not barge in when there are fights, and we will not react to any reports that we get, when a user gets flamed or insulted by another member. We will simply just watch and see what happens under that month, and then we will see? Right? I dont know if the moderators are willing to do so, but I am willing to give it a try.

 

I am not out to prove a point... I just want to see what happens with the offtopic, if total anarchy is allowed. You can flame as much as you want, and you can offend anyone you want. You can disgrace their mother, and call their sisters whores.

 

Lets do that (And yes, I am serious!)

 

Nemo

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Hahaha... :3 The forum I frequent most has just that: no moderation. Basically only things you're not allowed to do is to post blatant spam (like viagra ads) and child porn.

 

It... works well. Thousands of posts each day.

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Hahaha... :3 The forum I frequent most has just that: no moderation. Basically only things you're not allowed to do is to post blatant spam (like viagra ads) and child porn.

 

It... works well. Thousands of posts each day.

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The cougar forum?
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LUElinks

 

You can't access it though, don't bother trying. Exclusive community.

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See, there you have your answer right there, its an EXCLUSiVE community, that only probably invites a certain kind of people based one THEIR criteria. If Psynews was the same, I doubt we would need any moderation either ;)
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could have been merged instead of closing?

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http://www.psynews.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=42355

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I did try to merge the first post with one of the existing Shpongle threads but it didn't work. Maybe because it's not possible only to move the first post. And since most of the replies are not really worth reading I decided to close the thread instead of merging the whole thread.

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what happened to me the last time here on psynews is just ridiculous... Since a few days every post in which i wrote something against fullon was deleted, i started a thread about shpongle and it was moved to another shpongle thread, okay i got an pm for that but not before merging the thread but after that. Couldn´t someone asked me before this and not after this? I am telling this here because i want everyone to know what happens, it isn´t something secret, at least two post of mine were deleted in the general section, it was because i was saying my opinion, for example i was saying "I don´t get fullon, it sucks" and the post aktually got deleted without any information sent to me. I think that this is anything but fair.

 

Edit: this post will probably be deleted, too.

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I just merged the shpongle thread and told you (and I don't see the need to ask you before it, sorry), I haven't deleted ANY posts about full-on. I do comment when you say something about it when I don't agree but I do NOT delete. Which posts do you mean exactly?! In which thread for example?

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Wait, I set one post by you invisible because you bitched about somebodys english an a user reported the post. But this was not about full-on or any music in general. Do you mean that post? This was the only one btw...

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I just merged the shpongle thread and told you (and I don't see the need to ask you before it, sorry), I haven't deleted ANY posts about full-on. I do comment when you say something about it when I don't agree but I do NOT delete. Which posts do you mean exactly?! In which thread for example?

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Well ofcourse you can´t know which posts i mean because they already were deleted, i wrote in the "which kind of psy dont you get" "I dont get fullon, i think this genre sucks" yesterday at about 19:00 GMT +1:00, and it was deleted. I must think about the other post which was deleted, i am sure i will remember.

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Well ofcourse you can´t know which posts i mean because they already were deleted, i wrote in the "which kind of psy dont you get" "I dont get fullon, i think this genre sucks" yesterday at about 19:00 GMT +1:00, and it was deleted. I must think about the other post which was deleted, i am sure i will remember.

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I'll check this thread for a invisible post, posts won't get deleted but just set invisible. Btw. see my reply about, there was one post I've set invisible, but you didn't talk about music there.

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