is there any Shuffle psytrance?

[Verb]

Hi, this is like the second attempt, i was trying to start this thread a week ago, but for some reason, something got screwed up

 

Im kindah snowed in on shufflethings nowdays.

listening alot to Trentemöller and various shuffle-techno minimalist stuff.

 

and i've personaly made a couple of shuffly psytrance track lately.

 

but im wondering if there's any of this released?

 

XV Kilist - Xv Kilist album is kindah shuffly a track or two.

 

but other than that i can't think of any that utilizes this wonderful instant-groove maker thing

especially not any new stuff i've come across...

 

Do you know of any shuffle psytrance?

[Basilisk]

Are you talking about what psytrance people (erroneously, right) call "3/4 time" or "staggerred beat"? Dark Soho's Aggressive, Growling Mad Synchro's Bandicoot on the Run, and parts of that great new tune La Cosa Nostra - is this what you mean?

[Verb]

i don't really know what staggered beat means either

 

i'll try to illustrate like this instead

 

not shuffle:

D= bassdrum

B=bass

|= uh, well, nothing really. just to mark out hehe

 

1---2---3---4---1....

 

D---|---B---B---D---|---B---B---D---|---B---B---D....

 

 

while Shuffle is sorta like...

 

1----2--3----4--1....

 

D----|--B----B--D----|--B----B--D----|--B----B--D....

[Frontier Psychiatrist]

Hux Flux, Hallucinogen and Double Dragon had tracks with some Shuffle feel. I started to work on a tune yesterday with a shuffle lead arpeggio. Adds a lot of organic feeling to the track i guess.

[ukiro]

You may not notice at first, but Procs has quite a bit of shuffle trickery going on. I'm pretty sure it comes and goes in some tracks, just to fuck with the listener =)

 

I personally prefer my trance straight though.

[phobium]

I havn't heard this track in years, but I do think Ect & Mass made a track called "blizzard of ooze", which would have won the shuffle olympics.

[Ace Ventura]

Do you know of any shuffle psytrance?

504775[/snapback]

Well i do beleive another word for what you are looking for is SWING,

and indeed it is quite rare in psytrance.

 

It's very easy to sound ridiculous while using swing in high Bpm's,thus most shuffle and swing tracks would be found in Progressive trance which is slower.

 

Check out all of REEFER DECREE/ORYX's works.

 

LOOPUS IN FABULA also swings alot.

 

Latest example i could think of, would be the XVKILLIST remix to the ANTIX & BITMONX track,TANE (released not long ago on AMARASYA 2 from Blue tunes).

[Jikkenteki]

Are you talking about what psytrance people (erroneously, right) call "3/4 time" or "staggerred beat"?

504789[/snapback]

There is nothing erroneous about 3/4 time, it is the second most common time signature after 4/4 in Western music. You can use tricky math and call it different things (6/8 for example) but its the same thing. Anyways, technically shuffle and/or swing are different. They are fairly common in jazz and such, but pretty damn uncommon in trance.

[qa2pir]

Shuffle and triplets are not the same, but there are a lot of songs using triplets. For example "Jiggle of the Sphinx" by Hallucinogen, "On the Road" by Total Eclipse and the list goes on. Shuffle is more uncommon, but as Ukiro said, i think procs uses it much.

[auryn]

off the top of my head the track "Hill of Shining Beings" by Manmademan is a shuffle. One of my fav mmm tracks too.

[shpongled]

There is nothing erroneous about 3/4 time, it is the second most common time signature after 4/4 in Western music.

505084[/snapback]

I think what Basilisk ment is that people say (erroneously) 3/4 when they actually mean Triplets in 4/4.

[Jikkenteki]

I think what Basilisk ment is that people say (erroneously) 3/4 when they actually mean Triplets in 4/4.

505240[/snapback]

Ah, in that case he is right... My bad.

[Anakoluth]

In addition to the others mentioned already, Tandu have a few shuffle tunes on Alien Pump (3 pieces i think), and On The Road from Total Eclipse's Update Files swings also. And Etnoscope - Sneaky Drums which is my personal favourite shuffle tune.

[qa2pir]

I'm sure infected mushroom has some also... don't remember which tracks. Now i do! "Disco Mushroom"!

[Verb]

Wonderful! thanks!

 

Procs uses it yeah. just never occured to me to look in my own backyard

 

i've come to use shuffle in basicaly every track i've made in a while now, and it gets difficult if you go to fast. but at 130-137, a bit of shuffle is Grrreat i think.

im problely going to fuck around some more with it though, having a track swtich between shuffle and straight.

[qa2pir]

Wonderful! thanks!

 

Procs uses it yeah. just never occured to me to look in my own backyard

 

i've come to use shuffle in basicaly every track i've made in a while now, and it gets difficult if you go to fast. but at 130-137, a bit of shuffle is Grrreat i think.

im problely going to fuck around some more with it though, having a track swtich between shuffle and straight.

505689[/snapback]

Do you mean shuffle as in:

 

DOOF - tick - tick- DOOF - tick - tick

 

i.e. slow 3/4

 

Or do you mean as in:

 

Tshik - aTshik - aTshik

 

i.e. REAL shuffle?

[Verb]

I think i make it quite clear above

 

just scroll up

 

EDIT: or look here:

 

i don't really know what staggered beat means either

 

i'll try to illustrate like this instead

 

not shuffle:

D= bassdrum

B=bass

|= uh, well, nothing really. just to mark out hehe wink.gif

 

1---2---3---4---1....

 

D---|---B---B---D---|---B---B---D---|---B---B---D....

 

 

while Shuffle is sorta like...

 

1----2--3----4--1....

 

D----|--B----B--D----|--B----B--D----|--B----B--D....

 

 

 

i won't use any "words" like 3/5 or "Triplets" or stutter or anythign coz it just confuses everything up since apparently there are tons of definitions.

and arguing which one is right is just blaargh

 

although, does anyone know the correct one? and can back it up Logicaly?

[ukiro]

Shuffle is generally what you call it when you shift the second and fourth 16th note of each quarter bar forward somewhat. Forward as in to the right in the sequencer, i.e. delaying them somewhat. This usually creates a sense of "groove" or "swing", but IMHO detracts from the potential hypnotic effect of the music. As stated previously, I normally like my trance "straight".

[Jikkenteki]

I'm sure infected mushroom has some also... don't remember which tracks. Now i do! "Disco Mushroom"!

505652[/snapback]

This track is tripulets, not shuffle/swing.

[Jikkenteki]

Here are some audio examples I just made that might make it easier to see (or hear) the differences

 

Straight normal 4/4

http://www.par-2.com/choons/timesig/straight%20fourfour.mp3

 

Swing 4/4

http://www.par-2.com/choons/timesig/Swing%20fourfour.mp3

 

Triplet 4/4

http://www.par-2.com/choons/timesig/tripletfourfour.mp3

 

Straight 3/4

http://www.par-2.com/choons/timesig/straightthreefour.mp3

[Towelie]

but IMHO detracts from the potential hypnotic effect of the music. As stated previously, I normally like my trance "straight".

505726[/snapback]

you are sick!

[qa2pir]

This track is tripulets, not shuffle/swing.

505885[/snapback]

I know, but i wasn't sure which one of them he was looking for.

 

But now it's pretty clear he's looking for shuffle and not triplets so...

[Verb]

but IMHO detracts from the potential hypnotic effect of the music.

Yeah i guess i could second that in a sense. it totaly depends on what type of effect you want from music.

 

I've made so much hypnotic effect-music stuff lately, where i just get lost making it and listening to it, that i've come to upriciate the value of groove more. Contrasts and opposits rock.

[visine]

I havn't heard this track in years, but I do think Ect & Mass made a track called "blizzard of ooze", which would have won the shuffle olympics.

504946[/snapback]

 

you mean Snake Thing - Blizzard of ooze?

[Colin OOOD]

A couple of tracks on We Are Free have a very light shuffle - never more than 10%. Right now I can't remember exactly which ones though - "Bubbles of Nothing" and "The Unknowns", I think, but there might well be others.