Guest Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 Went to a trance club in Copenhagen about 3 months ago and my ears are still ringing. tht ENT specialist says this tinnitus might never go away. I'm wondering who else has damaged there ears like this, and just how much awareness there is of hearing loss and tinnitus caused by too loud music. and I mean too loud. There was a sound desk at the back of the club, about 30m away from the speakers, and checking the SPL meter they had there showed 110db on each beat. by my calculations that makes the sound at 1m from the speaker at 140db?(-6db down for ever doubling of the distance from 1m) dont the people in charge of these events know that at 110db you only have about 5 minutes before risking permanent ear damage. playing at 140db, if my math is correct, should have these people put in jail i recon. and i'm not joking. i dont have a bad case of tinnitus luckily, but i feel for those people who do. it can be debilitating, so life effecting infact that suicide is not unheard of. for those of you who have never experienced the incessant high frequency squeel that goes right through the brian constantly, i hope you have the inclination and power of imagination to grasp what severe tinnitus is like. its like trying to imagine how water dripping on your forehead for days could be that bad. I just want to raise a bit of awareness of this in the hope that no one else suffers from this unneccesarily. check these out http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx they provide a 20 decibel attenuation of sound without in any way muffling the sound, i.e they block sound evenly across the frequenct spectrum. and only $12. if you want to be enjoying trance when youre old please give some serious though to this issue. sorry if i sound like your mom. sincerely b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krell Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Went to a trance club in Copenhagen about 3 months ago and my ears are still ringing. tht ENT specialist says this tinnitus might never go away. I'm wondering who else has damaged there ears like this, and just how much awareness there is of hearing loss and tinnitus caused by too loud music. and I mean too loud. There was a sound desk at the back of the club, about 30m away from the speakers, and checking the SPL meter they had there showed 110db on each beat. by my calculations that makes the sound at 1m from the speaker at 140db?(-6db down for ever doubling of the distance from 1m) dont the people in charge of these events know that at 110db you only have about 5 minutes before risking permanent ear damage. playing at 140db, if my math is correct, should have these people put in jail i recon. and i'm not joking. i dont have a bad case of tinnitus luckily, but i feel for those people who do. it can be debilitating, so life effecting infact that suicide is not unheard of. for those of you who have never experienced the incessant high frequency squeel that goes right through the brian constantly, i hope you have the inclination and power of imagination to grasp what severe tinnitus is like. its like trying to imagine how water dripping on your forehead for days could be that bad. I just want to raise a bit of awareness of this in the hope that no one else suffers from this unneccesarily. check these out http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx they provide a 20 decibel attenuation of sound without in any way muffling the sound, i.e they block sound evenly across the frequenct spectrum. and only $12. if you want to be enjoying trance when youre old please give some serious though to this issue. sorry if i sound like your mom. sincerely b. 308419[/snapback] We have a subject about this in our danish forum on electrobeat.dk - Started by one of the Djs who often spins at Bryggen - Im taking a wild guess at that was the club you where at... They turn up the music extremely loud there, and your fucked if you are not using any kind of protection. I need it myself, I got whinning sounds as well... sucks. If you really love music, then you will need ear plugs or loose your ability to listen to it all together perhaps. Good topic, spread the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttree Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 We have a subject about this in our danish forum on electrobeat.dk - Started by one of the Djs who often spins at Bryggen - Im taking a wild guess at that was the club you where at... They turn up the music extremely loud there, and your fucked if you are not using any kind of protection.I need it myself, I got whinning sounds as well... sucks.If you really love music, then you will need ear plugs or loose your ability to listen to it all together perhaps.Good topic, spread the word.Read this sad story about Makyo http://www.psybient.org/love/interview-makyo-dakini-records/ and I was hurt twice. First, cause I love his music, second because I also have the fucking tinnutus.Take care of your ears folks lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acid-brain Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Read this sad story about Makyo http://www.psybient.org/love/interview-makyo-dakini-records/ and I was hurt twice. First, cause I love his music, second because I also have the fucking tinnutus. Take care of your ears folks lol Wow, that's an eye-opening interview. I had a similar accident in a studio once but fortunately the ringing went away after about a week or so. Can't imagine what it would be like to suffer the condition that he does, especially when music is your life and passion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspartic Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Heart-breaking article. About 18 years ago I went to a techno party and stood in front of the speaker for about 30 minutes. When we went outside to go home, I immediately felt that my ears were damaged like never before. Every sound was damped and I think I could only hear 50% anymore. Thinking it would be gone the next day. The next morning I woke up with ringing in both my ears. Two days later I went to see a doctor who prescribed me cortisones and vitamine B. Days went by, but no improvement. The hissing and ringing sound was there all the time. I cried many times then, thinking I could never listen to music anymore the way I was used to. And music was an inherent part of my life. After more than a week, one morning, I woke up. The ringing was gone. I couldn't believe it. I realise I had been very lucky. But I felt for a short time how life is when you have tinnitus. It's horrible. Eight years later I decided to to do some courses to become a teacher. It was a long time since I had studied so much, so I was very nervous during the exams. Suddenly the tinnitus came back and I suffered also from hyperacusis (hypersensitivity to sound). A fork ticking on a plate was like a knife in my ears. This lasted for as long I had exam stress and still two weeks more. Then it also went away. It was shocking to realize that damage was done to my ears and that a certain amount of stress made it painful again. But again, luckily, it went away. Please take care of our ears. It's only when they're damaged that you realize what you've lost. And then it's simply too late. Courage to all who suffers from such a trauma. I can only imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttree Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Heart-breaking article. About 18 years ago I went to a techno party and stood in front of the speaker for about 30 minutes. When we went outside to go home, I immediately felt that my ears were damaged like never before. Every sound was damped and I think I could only hear 50% anymore. Thinking it would be gone the next day. The next morning I woke up with ringing in both my ears. Two days later I went to see a doctor who prescribed me cortisones and vitamine B. Days went by, but no improvement. The hissing and ringing sound was there all the time. I cried many times then, thinking I could never listen to music anymore the way I was used to. And music was an inherent part of my life. After more than a week, one morning, I woke up. The ringing was gone. I couldn't believe it. I realise I had been very lucky. But I felt for a short time how life is when you have tinnitus. It's horrible. Eight years later I decided to to do some courses to become a teacher. It was a long time since I had studied so much, so I was very nervous during the exams. Suddenly the tinnitus came back and I suffered also from hyperacusis (hypersensitivity to sound). A fork ticking on a plate was like a knife in my ears. This lasted for as long I had exam stress and still two weeks more. Then it also went away. It was shocking to realize that damage was done to my ears and that a certain amount of stress made it painful again. But again, luckily, it went away. Please take care of our ears. It's only when they're damaged that you realize what you've lost. And then it's simply too late. Courage to all who suffers from such a trauma. I can only imagine. I'm really glad to know you've recovered and you can enjoy music again. Listening to quiet movements, as they often occur in psybient it's especially frustrating, sometimes the buzz overcomes the music. I also noted a correlation to stress as u pointed out. Thank u so much for your hopeful post man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travbrad1001 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I just don't understand why they turn stuff up so loud in the first place? It tends to just sound completely shit and distorted when your eardrums basically can't handle it anyway, so worse sound + potential damage to hearing. What is the benefit or are the sound people at those places just half deaf already so they don't notice? It's not just a problem in psy/trance scene either. The same thing happens with rock music at a lot of clubs/concert venues too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acid-brain Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I just don't understand why they turn stuff up so loud in the first place? It tends to just sound completely shit and distorted when your eardrums basically can't handle it anyway, so worse sound + potential damage to hearing. What is the benefit or are the sound people at those places just half deaf already so they don't notice? It's not just a problem in psy/trance scene either. The same thing happens with rock music at a lot of clubs/concert venues too. It's a scientific effect that loud music sounds better. What I've noticed is that every act in a concert will crank up the volume more than the previous one to sound better and because people are progressively losing their hearing during the concert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I just don't understand why they turn stuff up so loud in the first place? It tends to just sound completely shit and distorted when your eardrums basically can't handle it anyway, so worse sound + potential damage to hearing. What is the benefit or are the sound people at those places just half deaf already so they don't notice? It's not just a problem in psy/trance scene either. The same thing happens with rock music at a lot of clubs/concert venues too. it doesn't only sound distorted because of your eardrums. it also sounds distorted because the music is flattened by the limiter (that protects the pa from excessive volumes). the majority of the djs does not realise how much the audio distorts when he's mixing in the red. but generally, loud volumes sound better, as acidbrain said, and you just don't feel the bass in the same way if you turn to volume down too much. i'd rather wear earplugs and feel the bass than having no earplugs (wholly apart from the fact that i wouldn't dare to go party without them anyway with the tinnitus i already have) and appropriately less loud volumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttree Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Sometimes I can find temporary relief from my fucking tinnitus by listening to white noise. It doesn't work all the times and it's only temporary, but better than nothing. It seems to be based on a phenomenon called 'residual inhibition' http://lets-beat-tinnitus.co.uk/blog/residual-inhibition/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suttree Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Simon Posford revealing having tinnitus @ 5:30 of the following video interview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ej2xwibIY It certainly doesn't prevent him from producing great music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drosophila Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Tinnitus sucks big time, and it has been and will be a increasing problem, just think about the increase in people using head-phones in the last 10-15 years, people are wearing them all the time. And sadly tinnitus is not only a result of single (or multiple) loud experiences but also the continuous stress from listing to headphones, noise etc.. I have tinnitus my self, luckily enough I can still enjoy music, also at parties as long as I "use protection" but I can only support this call for attention regarding protection of our precious ears!!! Be good to them, they are not replaceable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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