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Hi all.

 

what do you prefer: the name "goa" or "psytrance"? what do you think is more common allover the world? here in switzerland goa is very common, but i heard that in israel for example goa means mainstream, happy trance and such stuff... :blink:

 

so what do you prefer and what do you understand under these names?

 

for me, goas are small psytrance partys somewhere in the woods or so, and psytrance is rather big festivals...

 

thank you for your comments. :)

 

greets and stay high,

Josh

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In Australia the term goa seems to be used very little, psytrance being the more common term both for small and large parties where psychadelic sound containing music is played. Not sure how one would define a psychadelic sound exactly though .

 

Goa usually has melodies, psy usually hasn't.

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What do you mean by melody Cinos? Am confused as i would say much psy has melodic elements.

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Well, for me the genre with electronic psychedelic music is Psychedelic Trance

 

the melodic sub-group of psychedelic trance that is no full on is Goa Trance for me

 

and well, in Belgium the name goa is more for old school parties, and psytrance for "modern" sound

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You could argue that goa trance is any music played at trance parties in goa, or even make valid arguments that there never was such a thing as "goa trance", but if we accept that what was once known as goa trance has now mutated into something else, these are the disctinctions I'd make:

 

If you want to define a particular sound as goa trance, the phrygian scales are what marks the most prominent difference in my opinion. Goa trance, as I define it, also had a clearer tonality of its sounds while psytrance has noisier sounds, especially for the leads. The tone of a typical psy-trance lead sound is much harder to identify than that of a typical goa trance sound. This allows for easier (DJ) mixing since it lowers the risk of dissonance, but also removes a lot of the emotional impact of the sounds (at least for me).

 

The development of this music has also lead to much more prominent basslines, where the music of 94-96 often relied almost entirely on the kick for the bass and then let some of the sounds for the lead melodies trickle down into the sub-200 Hz range instead of having a dedicated bassline throughout the track. If there was one it was positioned much lower in terms of volume than todays production style. Filter sweeps aren't used nearly as much these days, and if they're at all present they're LFO-controlled instead of hand-tweaked. This and the clearer overall sound where everything is heavily EQ'ed to not interfere with other sounds, is partially a result of the shift to using software for the entire production where goa trance was completely dominated by hardware studios. Naturally, one can make psytrance with hardware and goa trance with software, but generally this disctinction is valid.

 

There are other aspects of the musical structures that separate them as well, apart from the phrygian scales. One is that todays psy-trance has a lot of short breaks, one bar or half a bar, normally. These were very few and far between in the goa era. Another difference is that (good) goa trance often blended layers of different length, ranging from 1/8 or 3/16 to several bars. When all patterns are of the same length, you lose a lot of the hypnotic and trance-inducing qualities of the music. This style of layering using different pattern lengths are the main reason words like "vortex", "hypnotic" and "kaleidoscopic" are often used to describe goa trance, and along with the drug connection explains a lot of the fascination with fractals among its followers, since these musical structures somewhat resemble fractal patterns. The structuring of psy-trance of today is almost exclusively "binary" in that it's based on 2, 4, 8, 16 and 32 bar structures. This "orthogonal" style of arrangement wasn't as apparent in the goa era I think.

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For me it was from the beginning Psychedelic Trance or Acid Trance. We never used the term "Goa Trance" in south Sweden at the beginning. Well atleast not in Helsingborg where I am from. I remember all the ones that were not into psy, that they were calling the genre Goa trance.

 

Well, my background is from Trance really, and I mixed all sorts of trance. Acid Trance with "Goa" and with Harthouse and EyeQ. Hehehe, back in those days there were not too many "Goa" labels anyways.

 

But its good to have the terms, because I tend to talk about trance, and people start mentioning Tiesto, then I go "no no, psytrance or goa I mean" haha :)

 

It really does not matter what we are using at the end of the day, as long as we can make ourselfves understood, no?

 

The only term that I cant get used to is "Progressive"....

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I give Nemo right, at some point of view. Progressive is a hard question, because there is so many kind of progressive genres.

 

I prefer to use psytrance, when I talk about music, but most people, that doesn't listen to it, don't understand, then I use the term Goa(-trance), and they go "Ahhh..." ;)

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From what I understand "goa" is more melodic than psy, and has what you can call "eastern influences". It's probably better to give examples, ie Hallucinogen - LSD (goa) and Muses Rapt - Spiritual Healing (Psy). Sometimes theres a thin line though, so you can't always know whether a track is psy or goa.

 

The impression I have is that most music made today is psy, while there were more goa back in the nineties.

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From what I understand "goa" is more melodic than psy, and has what you can call "eastern influences". It's probably better to give examples, ie Hallucinogen - LSD (goa) and Muses Rapt - Spiritual Healing (Psy). Sometimes theres a thin line though, so you can't always know whether a track is psy or goa.

 

The impression I have is that most music made today is psy, while there were more goa back in the nineties.

 

Are you serious? Would you classify spiritual healing as psy instead of goa trance? Or you just pulling something to illustrate your request?

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I always thought "Goa Trance" is the term for oldskool goa trance ... and Psytrance is the sound that's around today - all that fullon, prog, dark, suomi...

 

I thought parties nowadays are only called goa parties because they want to be cool and "Psy Trance Parties" would be the right expression. Also the music is often referred to "Goa" in the outside world because all the not-insiders (meaning the average type of people who haven't a big psy CD collection at home and only go to parties sometimes with friends) get this term and don't need an explanation as it would be the case with the term "psy trance parties".

 

And furthermore, the word "goa" adds to the flow of language. Viennish slang is: "Oida, i geh auf a goa morgn, kummst mit?" ("Ey, dude, I'm going on a goa tomorrow, you go with me?") - that has flow ... "Oida, i geh auf a psytrance festl morgn, kummst mit?" ("Ey, dude, I'm going on a psy trance festy tomorrow, you go with me?") - that has not so much flow :P

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I like psychedelic music... whether it is Pink Floyd or Dave Bowie or Simon Posford or Mubali or Talamasca or Solar Field or Ishq or Son Kite or WArp Records or whatever... as long as it has a bit of a twist it is good... music shouldn;t be boring and it should be challening your perceptions and taste... using names like Goa or Psy just helps to sell on Ebay :lol:

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\. Not sure how one would define a psychadelic sound exactly though .

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music with a twsit that challenges you perceptions and taste... it takes you beyond the listeningrealms of normal music....
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I still think it's a local thing what name gets used. Here in Switzerland Goa parties is the common name for the parties even when only new sound gets played.

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