Acido Domingo
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Yes, but that doesn't make the difference to CDs because that's what a CD player does as well. Stuff below 20 Hz is usually lost in the rumble filter and since 22.05 kHz is the absolute upper limit for a CD sampler anyway you have to cut it off a little below that both to smoothen the sound a little at high frequencies (a 22 kHz sine wave digitized on a CD becomes a square wave!) and to keep aliasing artifacts out. If you sample with frequency f (44.1 kHz for CDs), all frequencies in the sound appear "mirrored" at f/2, so if an instrument produces a 25 kHz sound that we can't hear, a "mirror image" of this would appear at |25-44.1|=19.1 kHz which we can hear. Because you can't physically build a filter that filters nothing below 22.05 kHz and everything above it, it has to start a bit earlier, like at 20.yeah I guessed the whole process of compressing would be more complex, but appart from all that, mp3s in the end do only keep the 20-20k hz range of frequencies, right?
It's interesting but probably more technical than you'd think, doesn't have much to do with psychology, more mechanics of the ear and nerve impulses.btw.. ´psychoacoustic model´ seems interesting.. learning music theory is in my ´to do´ list for sure
Uhm...what's your nick there again?get your ass on msn..
I will choose some cd here.
maybe someone else who argued they can notice the difference between mp3 should volunteer too, and prove themselves
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It's a lot more complicated; what gets left out depends on the entire spectrum of sound at the moment and even before. Like a loud hihat won't let you hear much of the high-frequency spectrum even a few dozen milliseconds after. This "psychoacousic model" is the one thing besides speed that makes encoders different, and most had years of research put into them.afaik, the default of mp3 is to cut off all frequencies above 20khz and below 20hz, which supposedly are the limits to the human hearing too.... So whether they cut more bass than high frequencies depends if the original file had much information lower to 20hz or above 20khz..
Cool, let's do it like this: someone could send me a couple of WAV snippets from various CDs, say a minute each. I'll encode them with a few different codecs and bitrates (I can do LAME and OGG, maybe someone else do Fraunhofer's, XING or whatever is teh shit in the closed-source world) and convert them back to WAV, the same way they'd be decoded when played live. Then people can download them and listen to them as often as they like and on the best equipment everyone can get their hands on, and finally everyone has to rank them in order of sound quality and identify the original (might be someone recognizes a compressed version but actually finds the sound more pleasant).if someone is willing to set up a blind test, that would be interesting... pavel maybe? (though I dont want to test myself with some full on track with billions of sounds at the same time.. rather some good production detailed fat progressive, like antix) ....
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Can't take credit for them, unfortunately. They're just from the original article!
:lol: @ Acido's pics
Gay Israeli Offbeat faction, seenitall variety.Where do these guys fit?
Left: techology freaks. Right: shaggy goat.
Oh, here's another list with some important categories (Drug Nerd, Vigilante, Armchair Trancehead, Cheerleader...) the other one doesn't have.
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Styles
Psytrance is divided into a lot of different styles:* Oldskool - the original Goa sound, still created using tractors. Only a few tracks use high-tech like a Roland 303. (e.g. AFK Psychlogists Disco, The Inflations Project)
* Dark-Psy - RattatatatatatatataKrcchcchhRatatatatataKrazPutzBumratatatatatatatatatatatata (e.g. Kinderhassa (German: child hater), Vomit, Petra)
* Offbeat Trance - goes like this: kick-base-kick-base. Usually very minimal. Particularly popular with German gays (e.g. Spitmonks, Natives Radio, Arthus)
* Full-On - A mix of Dark-Psy and Oldskool. Layered upon the ratatatata there are usually several ripped-off melodies from random children's songs (e.g. Infected Livingroom, 12.000 Mices, Planet P.e.n.n., Sirius Buisness)
* Israeli Trance - almost the same as Full-On, but using the same children's songs over and over (e.g. YaHell, Anal Protection, Horny Man)
* Hamburg-Style - basically like Offbeat Trance but influened even stronger by the gay scene (e.g.Shiva-Sandra, Homodrolium)
* Suomi - Produced by Finnish punks, consists exclusively of noisy noises (e.g. Texas Fuckschrott, Cubemeet, Mandalarammelerz)
* Minimal - Tracks that have 3 or less different sounds (e.g.DJ KillYa, Loopiss)
The Scene
The psytrance scene can be compared best with the Hippie movement of the 60s. The biggest difference is that the psytrance scene can be described as far more aimless and unsystematic.
Members of this scene often like to call themselves Fragles or Freaks, while actually the often just have problems to get along with themselves and the real world and therefore like to call themselves "different". Thereby, the fraggle glosses over his inability to live and turns into someone who is like he is out of conviction. Something like this is generally accepted in the scene and therefore common practice.
Adherents are easily recognized by various traits:* They look like hippies.
* They talk like hippies.
* They smell like hippies.
Society
The society of the of Psytrance community can best be compared to a modern Native American's camp.
The biggest difference here is that Native Americans used to have an understanding of art. What's more, for meeting of Goa fraggles, also called open-airs or festivals, a sound system as loud as possible is indispensable. This is primarily used to limit the fraggles' communication which is of great value especially regarding the abovementioned limited vocabulary. The rank of a shaman, as it used to exists in every Native American camp, is alternatingly taken over by the DJ and the drug dealer. Sometimes, people with the ability to confuse words in an especially nifty way are regarded replacement shamans. Even today the head of the chosen ones is the original founder of the scene: Goa Gil.
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The lifeguards
Mostly these guys look like “Meister Proper”. (As you probably will not know you this is look here: http://www.meisterproper.de/mandatory/frames.html - the logo character in the corner). They have freshly polished bold heads and sunglasses. They have new flashy mobiles attached to their belts and all smoke Marlboro. They like to show of by having some bimbo-blonde type chick with them and holding their BMW keys directly visible for everybody while standing at the dance floor. This behavior (maybe also influenced by an above average anabolic steroid consumption) leads to infection of the nasal passages, causing them to continuously rub and scratch their nose. The nutrition of life guards consists of old mackers burgers from the boot of the car and piss-warm Corona. This beer is often held in such a way that the label can be easily read by everybody so noone confuses it with a cheap imitation.
However the most important thing for a life guard is his all-around scan vision while he is standing on the periphery of the dance floor. The feet apart at shoulders width (maybe related to an army career), arms in a position that suggests freshly shaved armpits and most importantly the ever-present scan vision which reminds of KIT (out of night Rider) with his red blinking light under the hood. Whats the lifeguards girlfriends name? Anna-Bolic.
The one who has seen it all
Has a slightly haggard appearance (showing the signs and furrows of past times) and a knowledgeable look in his face. This really guy knows about party. Prefers dope, trips and a lot of alcohol, even if this doesn’t really fuck him up anymore (or maybe hes just permanently fucked up….).
Prefers and enjoys philosophical discussions/ monologs, but after some time he always loses the plot and doesn’t understand what the hell he was/is talking about.
Comes to the party first and leaves at the very end. Is not the most active type, he is just kind of there……..
The Perfectionist
If he would have organized the party everything would be sooooo muuuch better!
At the gate he is already complaining why everything is taking so long and how everything is much too expensive.
Once in the party he will display behavior similar to that of the “burnt out guy”, complaining about poor organization. The line-up is always bad in his eyes, if he were playing everything would be so much better and everyone in a much better mood. Even the decoration would be much better if he had done it. He really finds the party crap, but oh well, what can you do once you are there….
Overall a pretty annoying and irritating type who ruins peoples moods and nobody wants much to do with him. Because of his attitude none of his friends like to take him, this is why this type often comes to parties by train or hitchhiking. So…be careful what /whom you pick up on the road……..
The Rasta-Poser
Mostly one of the younger guests. Makes dreads 5 years before the party and constantly plays with them, comes to the party mainly to show himself……….
Almost all the time he forgets (more or less intentionally) to wear shoes and t-shirt..
Instead he carries a backpack full of weed which he needs to smoke continuously. Doesn’t dance much, prefers to stand at a spot on the side of the dance floor where everyone will see him……
Always tries to seem cool and indifferent and expects admiration for this. Also the Rastaposer invests great time and attention into being recognized as a freak by wearing strange waste bags, all kinds of piercings, cheesy jewelry and indefinable objects.
However these efforts mostly fail because if observed closely one sees he is also wearing designer boxer shorts, carrying the latest mobile and is also equipt with various other high price status items.
Because the backpack is full of weed, he ties all kinds of objects to his dreads and hides things inside his hair only never to find them again. The Rasta poser doesn’t really like Goa/Psytrance anyway, he would prefer to be Bob Marley and enjoying Jamaica with tons of money and weed.
Often individual members of this type resemble each other closely.
The “everything used to be better guy”
Usually sneaks around the dance floor, giving everyone drinking or smelling of beer an evil eye. Looks at everyone in a condescending manner expressing his disgust including the coke heads in the corner, the 14 year old batik kiddies and the “bloody prog playing dj”. Continuously talks about “that party” on the beech of Ko-Phagnan in ´82 with “Gil and the Posford guy”. Or he talks about that “super-glacier” party were the punch was really good. If possible he is always on acid, but feels nothing but disdain for other chemicals.
Stands directly in front of the dj sulking until he plays some old-skool fluff track. When that happens he screams at the top of his lungs and cries a few tears of happiness before going back into sulk mode waiting for the next old-skool fluff track.
Most of the time he has a dog with him and can be found at the entrance complaining, winging and lamenting about the high prices
And here is a bonus one I added myself
Please help to create more categories....:The crack-pot conspiracy theory nutter
Used to take tons of acid, but now he stays away from chemical drugs of all kinds.(tons of it seriously....entire sheets at once). He believes secret government agents of various existing/fantasised nations are omnipresent at psytrance parties, distributing psychedelic drugs to people in the context of a large scale mind control experiment. The ultimate goal being to create an indesdructible army of brainwashed psy-warriors to be unleashed upon the world once the time has come.
The crack pot conspiracy theorist lets at least 6 people know about these tragic circumstances (per party) and estimates "this to hit 2012".
Whilst everyone else is enjoying the lasers,he believes they are blinking at the correct intervals to subliminally make the party goers receptive to all kinds of cryptic occult suggestions.
The organisers are in on it, and the artists as well. Paranoia is only extreme awareness. The dj is an alien, you can see this in her shifty eyes. And the queen of England is a lizard.
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I'll jut add the pics, they go well with the text
The shaggy buck (Rare Himalayan Mountain goat type)
The shaggy buck is Recognizable through a strong smell, shaggy fur and missing front teeth. Very adaptable in their reproductive habits, shaggy bucks are able to secrete various scents in order to attract mating partners.
Scientists have been unable to synthesize a related scent, but field research in the Indian state of Goa has shown that this distinctive scent may have an effect similar to that of THC.
In contrast to other endemic Himalayan species the shaggy buck has rudimentary speech ability and is able to utter sound expressions such as: “Boom”, “keep it shanti dude” and “oi dude, sick dope”. These sound expressions also dominate and influence the social behavior of shaggy bucks.
The shaggy buck is known to be an extremely water-shy animal which can be found at large herds at so-called “festivals” in order to give a sense of meaning to its life.
Shaggy Bucks were assumed to be extinct since 1968, until the National Geographic Society discovered some specimen in the highland regions of the Hindukush and Nepal in 1993. A unification of these isolated specimen by animal activists led to unexpected and staggering results: Reproduction resulted in a population explosion amongst the shaggy bucks. The shaggy bucks learnt to read and write and were able to create their own colony-Psynews (Goabase.de in the original ) under the protection of species agreement of the United Nations, WWF and PETA.
Attempts to control the shaggy buck population have been futile.
The Older Guy
Has been to Goa at least twice and has traveled through India. Of cause only staying in 3 star hotels. Once smoked a chillum with a baba so he uses every opportunity to shout “boom” or alternatively “boom Shiva”. Is always (if possible) on LSD and dances in an unrythmical and anarchic manner. Hair: Dreads or other filthy bush.
The burnt-out guy
He stands around at parties dancing apathetically. Most of the time he is on some kind of drug, if possible a combination of all kinds. Favorite topic: How lame the party is, (if compared to “that other party”), and the music isn’t all that great, and the people definitely not either. Would always rather be at home, at the cinema, at another party, whatever, wherever, doesn’t matter. Anywhere would be better than here and now.
The Technology Freak
Stands in the spot where the sound is optimum stereo at that moment in time, biting his lips together with a connoisseurs look in his face. Philosophizes about the inter-reaction and synergy of frequencies above 16khz and 5khz. Complains about the fact that “no frequency between 12 and 12.5 khz has been played since at least 1 hour”- also the beat is slightly out of phase and the 303 has too much resonance and too little delay.
The “Goan”
Always finds everything everywhere to be “really cool and wicked” out of principle. He evaluates everyone who thinks or feels something different as “frustrated or burnt out”. If you do as much as say one wrong word about the mix he will see you as the “grumpy guy” who is trying to destroy the good vibe and mood. Everyone is part of the family and should do whatever they like. During the weekend at least, because during the week the “Goan” is agitated and annoyed and would like to execute everybody for not being nice to each other.
The Eso-Goan
Can be found floating over the dance floor with a smile of delight when spiritual music is playing. Becomes depressed and moody when cold sounding prog is played.
When this sub-type is peaking they like to talk about the energies at the party and likes to feel peoples auras. Experiences chain-multiple-orgasms when thinking of the union and oneness of all these related and connected souls at the party and uses their good vibrations to make sure nobody gets a bad trip. The Eso-goan is the good, positive spirit of every party. If they are absent, the party sucks. However if the party is blessed by“such a good soul”, you will only see happy smiling faces and grins.
If there is an “Eso-Goan” at the party there is less likelihood of having the “burn out” type there. Favorite words: Chakra, dimensions, hallow, aura, karma.
The techno freak
Is very happy about the low entry prices, but then stands at the edge of the dance floor feeling out-of-place. Cannot relate to the “psycho music” or the weirdos dancing around. Is delighted about the prices at the bar and immediately buys a years supply of drugs at an overpriced cost. Is bewildered and confused how such a party could be financed without any sponsorship signs, posters and boards. Is at a psy party probably for the first and last time.
The Undercover Cop
Wears jeans, sneakers and a colorful t-shirt (as disguise). He has a normal haircut and a somber look. Unimpressed by whatever soundscapes are playing he scans and scowers every corner of the location, carrying his bottle of coca-cola, looking for potential victims. Once suitable victims have been found, he approaches them and utters the following sentence.
“Excuse me, perhaps one of you would like to buy some drugs?”
He then proceeds to open his small metal box, revealing a peace of very crappy hash and finest hi-grade Amphetamin. The silent, skeptical looks persuade him to pack the crap back into his box and continue his search.
5 minutes later everybody knows that the “wierdo with the strange colorful shirt and coca-cola” is a cop.
The “pure enjoyment” guy
Is well prepared for the event and has a plan. He is not concerned or surprised about the high entrance prices. Buys whatever he thinks would make his weekend more pleasurable and doesn’t mind sharing. Chooses the music and acts he likes and then goes off like a rocket to motivate and push the people around him. He is happy when he sees the sunrise and its effect on the dancing mob, which absorbs its warming rays and transmutes this energy into direct visible and audible trance-dance ecstasy. Happily collects garbage and is happy that he actually gets a garbage refund for this. Drives home on Sunday with a wide smile on his face, happy about how well everything went.
The Post fence Dj
The worst kind of music ripper/burner. Always has the newest sounds from the most obscure artists from Timbuktu, Denmark, Brazil, wherever. Unfortunately this always sounds like the same old hollow prog tok-tok sound. If he is sure no other “post-fence” dj is present he may also play some Yahel or Marc o Tool. Irritates people by constantly saying stuff like:
“Woah dude, maate how long are you gonna be playing?” , “Dude, mate, sick shit dude. What is it? Unreleased shit or what? Dude can you burn it for me or what?
Tends to be found in groups, sometimes aggressive, mostly drug dealer. Due to these attributes he never pays entry fees, but always has a drink and a chick with him. Always well informed about everything dodgy and dubious and is not shy to share this info with the cops if the circumstances call for it.
The Indie-Chick faction
These are the girls who start giving off ringing sounds if they do as little as blink an eyelash. It takes at least 15 minutes to find and recognize the person under the masses of stuff like bells, colorful sheets, various rags, armbands, skirts, bags, scruffy hair reaching to the ground decorated with 1000 different things like beeds and shiny stuff, as well as at least 1 hat and other “Goatoys” like fluffy shoes.
If your eyes have managed to focus on the face of this seemingly supernatural being, do not be scared or revolted at what seem to be huge pimples – these are called bindies!
Another typical attribute of indie chicks is the 10 cm thick layer of mud under the soles of the feat as they prefer to be in direct contact with the ground.
On the dance floor their focus is on arm movement- they perform mystical twists and turns in combination with various, changing finger constellations. During certain types of music the upper part of the body may also sway to the music. This typical dance is performed in a slow and meditative manner as the entire gear and accessories contribute to the overall body weight of the person. Moreover there is a constant threat of all these carefully selected decorations shifting or falling off.
This type of party visitor is often found in the company of “the older guy” or the “everything used to be better guy” whom this type feels attracted to and almost worships.
The Partypackers
Mostly found in herds. Feel strong in groups and share tasks between the members, such as dealing drugs, driving the car, get the newest music, get money for the party, know the first names of everyone they need to know at the party etc.
First they complain about the music, but an hour later they will be dancing around like crazy to whatever sound because the drugs have started working.
They wear relatively inconspicuous clothes like black hooded sweaters. They also like plastic-raver trousers with huge side pockets to store their party lunch boxes.
They like to spice up their outfit with combinations of orange color items, like hats and waist bags. Their nutrition is limited to tablets and liquefied bread, which they bring along themselves, as well as herbal liquors.
At open airs a very strange and uncoordinated mating behavior can be observed amongst partypackers.
The Part-time fraggle
The part-time fraggle or goa-party tourist never really wanted to go to the party but was dragged along by friends because he didn’t know what the hell else to do at the weekend. Or he just wanted to”go and have a look”. It is becoming more and more difficult to identify this type because he normally borrows accessories and colorful clothes from his friends as not to be easily recognizable as a “party tourist”.
If taken under more direct observation they can be identified because they are continuously taken pictures of “the strange colorful people” and asks questions like “are you also this stoned?”. He may irritate people by complaining about the loud music late at night, not allowing him to catch any sleep. It is sometimes possible to observe similarities between the behavior of this type and the undercover cop, except the Part time fraggle is mainly harmless and normally a quite nice guy.
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Haha, great, thanks for the translation, Kazuku! I laughed tears when I first came across the German version and thought about translating it but then I was too laz...uhh, busy. Perhaps I'll do the rest of the article
Ouch!he was standing 5 meters outside the club and asking the cops "Where is the club? I need to go to the party" .. and then asking "Am I in Greece?" because he had somehow deluded himself that he was in Russia
:ph34r: :lol:
You should know better than to drink milk while browsing pienewsMAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!
:lol: :lol: OMG! milk came out of my nose on to my brothers precious keyboard!
i didn't see this comming!
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"Forever After" was one of my first psy CDs and I still love it. But The Great Unknown is so totally not my style...perhaps it's one of those pieces you have to listen a couple of times to get into but so far I find it far too synthetic, bleepy and flatAs far as their career peak goes, I would have a seriously hard time saying they ever outdid "Forever after" or any of the tracks from 1996' uber classic "Stratosfear EP" (CD Maxi)!
But yeah, "The great unknown" comes in as a close second places, a silver medal. Tracks like The Great Unknown, Lunar Bin and Geomancer are divine. Meaning my, or anybody else's, words do not and cannot do them justice.
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Nobody mentioned Psynina yet?
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Tristan - Dawn Raider
Kundalini - Rasa
Unconscious Collective - Synchronity Converger (no, that's not supposed to be brownnosing
)Not exactly beat-driven but I find the melodies very energizing:
Taika Kim - Just before Sundown
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Only interesting incident.... last summer I fell asleep listening to Vibrasphere and one of my aunts came by and she said she sat and listened to the music while I was sleeping!
Nice. Reminds me, one sister of my mom's is still a bit of a hippie. A settled hippie at 60 but still...she asked me to bring "some of that Goa music" to her 60th birthday party. And she liked it, though it wasn't very popular with the other guests and later she said she'd thought "it would be more psychedelic"
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But that's because nobody cares about bullshit like that, there's just too much of it and it's not worth suing all of them. OTOH, I don't think you can slander a nick. If I said Full_Omm is a wanker you couldn't sue me unless your name is Full_Omm or it's some publicly known alias such as Madonna. Well, IANAL...Oh, I found out that you can say everything you want against people that have a public face. You can say "George Bush is a son of a bitch that fucks with donkeys" without getting into trouble. Weird eh?
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Döda Hundens Kyrka..
Wuzzat? Like Cult of the Dead Cow?
Good tasteMy mum likes some tracks, for example Ticon - We Are The Mammoth Hunters.
I listened to that one half an hour ago!
Yup, found it surprising too. My mum likes classical music and can't really appreciate anything electronic. For a few years she's been into meditation, even "meditative dancing" and stuff like that, so I thought some Shpongle, Carbon Based Lifeforms or so would do it for her but she just doesn't connect. Gets this polite but distanced look like a tourist being explained the different methods of preparing locusts by some African tribesman...I can't believe how many people have parents that actuall like Psy!
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Strobes rule. Essential for any 90s acidhouse party, and I still like them for indoor psy. This club I went to in Prague had just blacklights, lots of blacklight paintings, and a single strobe---phat.
Outdoor is a different story, I'm usually not in the right mood there. On psychedelics, they're far too irritating.
BTW, I'm Lunkwill on Goabase
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I liek it. It should have appeared on Psynews Records and have more Eskimo on it.
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Not a big gain though, WAV would be 600-700 and plays even on your old 386.
Winamp's bitrate display is pants. It shows the data flow from the disk but doesn't tell anything about quality.
At 320 I don't hear a difference to CD, and I guess even with OGG-VBR~256 it's more the knowledge that it's lossy that makes me think I heard it. A few years ago a German computer mag did a double-blind test with quite a few audiophiles and top-notch audio equipment. Most couldn't tell the difference even at MP3/192.Flac with no doubts... Forget mp3, especially for music where many frequencies are created not to be heard but to be physically felt.
I'm not a super pro, but it is allways obvious when tested on a real sound system: mp3, even 320, are not as dynamic as flac, even so the output is at the same levl, the compression in mp3 is obvious (you can do the test with a very good monitoring headset, it works too).
The biggest source of distortion is still cheap audio hardware. On-board sound cards, noisy power supplies, stuff like that. To test properly, you have to convert your stuff to MP3 and back to WAV, burn everything on CD and play it on a good stereo.
No, but FLAC is still lossless. If a WAV compressed to FLAC and decompressed back to WAV equals the original to the bit, that's lossless.
It can. There have been EXE-packers for ages---used for executable programs that react highly allergic if even one single bit is wrong.
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Naaaaais pickx! Thanks for sharing
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Oopie has boobies, Reger has StarWars rodents and Tash has a pretty sepia girl. Everything's peachy.
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6 or 7 days @Ozora Solipse festival
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Heh, sounds goood, sounds like party tomorrow!
Munich? GSH, you reading this...?
Psycoticum, Backstage!!!!elevenmilliononehundredandsoon!!!
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Funny, I just peeked into the General section to ask what people think of Artifakt
They're on a party in Munich tomorrow, organized by full-on people who're usually too much for me, but I might go this time.
Hydraglyph I haven't heard either, any opinions on this one?
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Almost: "small, but secret(ive)"."little secret?" is that translated correctly?
Gelman?!
engrish
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Beh, that doesn't count! One confession per post, minimum!ahaha
hilarious
Die Schmetterlinge: "Klein, aber geheim" (OK, I liked it for the text
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DJing with MP3s!
in General Psytrance
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There was this contest on a phoneticists' site where the admin posted some spectrogram of a word, and people had to guess what was said. That was hard enough for trained pros who had seen and analyzed thousands such spectrograms.