MrAnarchy
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What technicality are you talking about?
@Goa is the best.
May be because you have recently discovered Goa you feel all other genres are crap. Goa can do that to you. But it's not the case. Psytrance is as awesome as ever. Ask Rotwang if you don't believe me. Forest is great too, Acid house is as lovely and acidic as it was back in 82'. Try echospace and soma, pretty awesome Techno!
And man, coming to downtempo/psybient and ambient territory. Think again, this is a vaaast sea of awesomeness.
The most modern sounding cutting edge stuff I've heard is not even pure Goa :|
As I said, Its a feeling of mine, not a fully formed argument. There must be a reason why I zeroed in on goa trance since I started listening to the whole spectrum of psytrance subgenres at the same time. I never said "Im going to listen only to goa trance from now on."
The only 2 times I enjoyed psytrance was when I listened X-Dream live and hearing The Delta - Scizoeffective . X-Dream first played their more melodic stuff or goa tracks in their set, and then they just shifted to Radio tracks. The first one was Psychomachine and it blew my mind. Its the first time I understood the album.
I simply cant sit at my pc, put on a psytrance album and listen to it whole as I can with goa, thus I dont appreciate it as much.
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Goa sounds more modern than today electronic music - can you explain this.? Also what is modern according to you.?
It is just a feeling. Not something I can put into words. But let me try. I listen to lets say some popular deep house track released in 2016, and then some goa track released in 1996, and it just feels like as if the goa track is the more modern one. From a technical level it sounds more advanced to me.
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Great comp guys! Also love the cover art and mastering is great! Thank you
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Some further ideas. I've read somewhere that people may be generally cathegorised as conservative minds and explratory minds with the proportion of roughly 85 to 15, which mostly shows itself through their aesthetic choices. I've read this as an explanation of why most people dislike modern architecture (for the record, I'm a huge lover of modernism, deconstructivism and high tech)but I guess this may be applicable to any kind of art including music - 85% of people choose something that looks or sounds familiar over something that looks or sounds strange at the first contact, which in turn attracts the other 15%. Nice theory which almost answers the OP question except for one thing: why does such a big part of psytrance community only accept goa which sounds like it was made 20 years ago and disregards everything else?
Goa sounds more modern than todays electronic music. Also I think its actually the minority of psytrance community people who stick only to goa. In that sense i go as far as X-dream -Radio, after that its mostly shit. You cant use the "You cant adapt to the new sound so you dont like it" argument against me since I was 2 years old when the transition happened. I started listening to a whole diffrent kinds of psytrance albums 1 year ago all at once. From Astrals -Trust in Trance to Braincell. My opinionated answer would be: Because I think most of psy-trance (im speaking as if goa and psytrance are separate) is shit. Thats the true reason.
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I was very sceptical when the remix of Space Dwarfs started playing... But I have something huge to say to Morphic Resonace. You have successfully made this already legendary 10/10 track EVEN BETTER! Yes you heard me! He made it better without taking a single element from the original. Its basicly the same melodies and chronological structure of the track, but with more inside it and crisp production.
This guy has god skills, and I am urging Suntrip to stick with this guy! I am buying this release as soon as I acquire enough money.
Btw, does buying digital release from say Bandcamp support the artist?
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Im an agnostic in sense that I dont throw out the possibility of gods existance. But I am anti-religionist so anti christian, anti-muslim, anti-hindu. I am against everything man has made around a god/s.
Theists have warped the image of god so crazily that they are fooling themselves on so many levels with hypocritical creeds that they made for themselves to feel better about their personal "qualities" that they dont actually like. When I talk to a theist I notice that they live inside an illusion, inside an illusion inside another illusion. I dont press on theists but I have to admit that I feel pity for them.
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But what is big for you now? Number of the attenders or number of attenders that actually understand, follow and support such music instead of just getting wasted and stomp? For me it's second ones.
"Getting wasted and stomp" I had something similar to say in one of the discussion threads about the evolution of psytrance and how I think that the type drugs being consumed at the parties did its part in it. Maybe you wouldnt agree with this theory since you yourself didnt take any party drugs as you said, but you must have noticed at your sets. Would the repetitive techno (which is also horrible in clubs these days) be popular if we didnt have such HUUUGE amounts of amphetamines consumed there? When you take such a drug all you want to do is jump up and down, throw punches at the air, stomp the ground... hard bass in techno, minimal and deep house provides good environment for that. Also you get annoyed by acid lines and melodies in goa. Im talking from personal expirience. Same goes for the popular ecstasy which are both opposite from LSD and shrooms.
I asume that people mostly indulged in psychedelics when going to psytrance parties in the 90's so= More melodies, weaker bass, acid, synths, layers, the more the merrier.
Then party drugs got into the scene and now we have psytrance that is: Minimal, HARD ASS BASE and manditory triplets, 95% cases no melodes, no acid, no layers, the less the merrier.
I think the videos you linked is proof of this. Those people are high and they dont give a fuck about music as art but just to jump and pump. Honestly I have done both. When I wasnt so big on goa I remember going to goa parties, taking ecstasy or amphetamines after which I would end up in some techno party because goa isnt "hard" enough. I have also done acid at goa parties, and I remember hugging the speakers and just getting lost in all the acid and melodies.
Now I usually go sober because I actually want to remember the evening.
Not saying that it all revolves around drugs, but they did their part IMO
Just part of my theory on this topic
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Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of The City of Moons, I will fear no acid! Okay maybe a little.
AMAZING release!
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This basically answers your question imo. In order to make psytrance popular you have to "adapt" it - make it more accessible by removing large part of what actually makes it psytrance. Same with drum'n'bass, dubstep, death metal and other genres started as experimental, underground or extreme.
Huh, I really did answer my own question without noticing. Genius
as for my personal opinion - i am perfectly fine with the fact that psytrance is not a popular genre
i mean with the internet nowadays you can get your music easily so no big deal
it was a problem in the mid nineties when you had to listen to the radio and expect some rare psytrance at midnight on obscure channels - or go to rave parties
but now with the internet it is fine and really easy to access
only problem is for people who would like to attend to psytrance parties every week end
i think the biggest audiences prefer dance music focused on groovy basslines rather than psychedelic sounds
I think your right that it kinda is a good thing that it isnt popular. Im gonna sound cheap, which I am since I dont have the money to invest in music atm, but if psy-trance was popular, I guess we wouldnt get free content from artists at Ektoplazm or Bandcamp for an example. For which I am extremely grateful of course!
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Well, let's put it clear - any act with 1k+ followers is a sold-out crap
(says the guy for whom 100 followers is an unrealistic perspective).
Seems that the thread has taken kinda self-contradictory route - first it was stated that psytrance as a genre doesn't have its audience as large as it allegedly should, then people start to piss on the acts which have actually gained some popularity.
Hhahahahahha! Thats so true
But they did gain popularity by adapting their music instead of making great psytrance and doing the same. Thats the difference
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Cant even imagine how that makes you feel as a producer, knowing that guys with far less skill get away with so much undeserved attention
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Few days ago i saw this 'psytrance' getting big:
https://www.facebook.com/kobiblastoyz/videos/10154190539464771/
First of all its not psytrance at all, and psy wasnt made for MTV but underground scene. Brazil, Mexico and Israel found way to (destroy) spread it and make it big and commercial. All you need to do is make kick-bass and nothing for 8 mins.
Here one more example of guys who start making 'music' few years ago:
https://www.facebook.com/UpgradeSound/videos/1132299970148162/
First/business class flights, private jets, 5 star hotels, selfies, autographs, bombing crowd with your CDs, spending time on your 'outfit' more than on music, 5-10k euros for pressing space button and looking stupid on stage?
Makes me sick
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!
Couldnt get cheaper or more pathetic than this. :puke:
Ok I get it. Psytrance (the real one) just cant flourish in this world
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I thought psy is big in Serbia. Many psytrance artists whose skills I really admire are from Serbia, like Relativ, Sideform, Lyctum, Talpa - I thoght such a strong production school with distinct sound may not come from nowhere
None of them held a party in my city, or even Belgrade (to my knowledge) in recent 6 months at least. There are great djs from Serbia, but I guess they dont care to hold parties here... and the reason may be this problem which were talking about here. Majority of these goa parties that I mentioned are organized by Filip Nikolaevic (also known as Magnetik), Marko Panić and Velimir Mićović (aka Mars Flowers) from Belgrade. They bring major names to our country like X-Dream and Thierry from Spectral and Holeg Spies. They dont make their own music but their sets are always perfect and are the only ones who are trying to keep the retrotrance spirit alive here.
You can find them here https://www.mixcloud.com/RetroTranceBelgrade/
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A very good point Kitrinos. I like your idea that the problem goes beyond music and into the way of thinking and living of the consumers.
I live in one of the major cities of Serbia and in the past years there were amazing old school goa parties organized every 1-2 months, but they stopped coming and when I asked the group of DJs who were also the organizers of the parties why that was, they said that the bosses of clubs werent happy with the scarce amount of people who were coming. Then I checked out what parties were thrown in the same club instead, and what I found really disturbed me. Freaking parties for highschoolers with djs that play dance summer hits from 2012. So sad...
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As the title says. Why do other electronic music genres and "artists" which are a joke at both technical and creative levels like Martin Garrix, Tiesto and similar... attract a bigger audience? Im trying to be as politically correct here but I just dont get it. That music is shit from every aspect and gets millions of views and sales, while psytrance (excluding Vini Vici, Astrix and other clowns) is still very underground and I personally know only a few people who like it and even those people dont listen to it regularly.
I get that its just the way psytrance was from the start, Its hippie background and all, but why did the popularity of psytrance diminish through time instead of getting better known?
Is it hard to get into?
Any theories?
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I would find a cabin in a forest and live there. I miss nature and silence. It would be a peaceful way to go.
This sounds like something I would want to do too.
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Feelin' talkative today huh?
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Not once have I heard of these guys name while I was lurking here and I have to say that I have no idea why. They have released 2 amazing albums "Volume 2" and "It Came From The 4th Dimension", both released in 1997. You just HAVE to listen to them if you havent 'till now!
Ah, good ol' acid
Btw, I just found them 2 hours ago on Anoebis' 1997 History of Goatrance (acid side).
Thanks man!
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Why the hell isnt this talked about?! It's amazing! Just how I like my goa to be: acidic and crazy
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The story beginds when I wasnt even a member of psynews and was only getting into goa trance. I remember googling "Best goa trance compilations" and found myself on a similarily named thread on this forum and I noticed that many of you named "First Flight" in your list, so I decided to check it out. Went to youtube, found the full album, played it, opened a mmo game I was playing at the time and went with the flow. I immediately realised that this comp is something different and that I havent heard such quality tracks before. I was playing the game so I wasnt paying attention to which track was rocking and then came this track and I remember liking it more that the previous ones. As the track progressed i felt that it was getting heavier and heavier and then came @6:50 when I felt it calm down and I thought it was going to end, but to my surpise IT SURE AS HELL WASNT. The Slinky ones decided to end the track with a blast of 20 seconds worth of brainmelting, best heavy acid I have ever heard even to this day. When the track ended I was sitting there, stunned and sweating like crazy for unknown reason and I said out loud "What the fuck was wrong with these guys when they made this monster."
And there it was... How such a small thing, a track 8 minutes long, has made me feel indescribably and that is what psytrance is all about.
I really hope to own a CD of "First Flight" some day, because I think that that track alone is worth whatever the price may be now.
Thank you Slinky Nuns!
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While it's a personal problem it's not often a choice. While I wouldn't go out of my way to avoid showing my own happiness I wouldn't rub it in their faces either.
Who kisses a partner in public to rub their happiness in other peoples faces? No one! If someone sees it that way, Id call that a complex. That someone feels bad for him/herself because the couple has something you do not, for which, again, the couple isnt guilty of.
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Not all of them but most of the famous comps and albums the released.
I'll check those out
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It can cause emotional harm I think. It can be a reminder to people who haven't found love, what they are missing out on which can cause them to feel more depressed about their situation.
Honestly I am not bothered with PDA, I am lazy so it's nice my wife is against it so I don't have to think about it
It can, I dont dismiss that, but that is a personal problem which is of your own doing, not that of the indulging couple.
Hahahah
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Ah. Utripovao sam da je to losa stvar.brate, chainsawing = žaganje, ono sam napisao u kontekstu da režu po sceni
Never mind!
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Yeah I like bandcamp because once you buy a digital album, you can download it whenever you like. So you dont have to worry about backing it up physically.