[Opinion : Psytrance hippies are the worst lot]

when i rap along to hip hop, i constantly say the word "nigga" or "nigger" if you want.

And im FULLY aware that some people might frown upon me using that word.

So i decide NOT to use it, in public.

 

You see what happened there? I respect people for thinking that is racist.

And they can respect me (if they want) for simply singing along.

they can hate me and call me racist if they want - but thats fine. I understand it.

That word has been used in a very negative way. So i completely respect that.

 

But i still claim the right to accurately sing along, and not censor myself doing so.

 

That doesnt hinder me from respecting that some people MIGHT be offended - so i decided not to articulate that word in public. its just easier than to constantly bring a discussion and argumentation to the table.

 

I know that what I'm about to do will make you feel deeply uncomfortable because it remind you of that time when my ancestors killed all your ancestors and stole from them everything of value they could find. It will also remind you that my house is built on the land where all your ancestors have been buried for thousands of years, and that it's much harder for you to get a job than it is for me because of your ancestry. I don't have to do it but I will because I like the way it looks, and it's fun for me to do it.

I know all that, but I'm going to do it anyway, because I 'respect' you.

exactly!

I dont get how some people cant respect this.

its very obvious to me anyway...

 

and i can completely understand why some hindus might not be so keen on "us" using their sacred symbols willy nilly.

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Same goes for me merely reading a book! It doesnt infringe on his rights now does it?

Just like the white dudes with dreads, bangos and bindis dont disrespect other cultures and religions.

But now you are talking about something else.

I never said you reading a book would infringe on his rights. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I said that I think you should respect his opinion.

 

I also said I can completely understand a person getting upset if seing another read about satanism.

Heck - I would also ask about it.

 

But that doesnt mean you should disrespect him.

You can dislike him all you want, but you should still respect his opinion.

 

Did he voilate your rights reading the book - when he stated his opinion? Did he forcefully remove the book from your possession?

 

edit: white guys with rastas/dreads - are you saying thats perfectly fine and do not disrespect anyone? if so, then i am correct when i stated you are an ignorant and disrespectful person.

OF COURSE white guys with dreads CAN CAUSE a myriad of feelings in people.

and youre saying you dont respect that? Why not?

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But those are lizard people, so just ignore them

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Its what you are asking me to understand! You think that I should respect the fact that he got offended by my choice of literature and started bashing me. Sorry but I love myself enough not to agree with you.

Yes. I think you should respect him for that opinion.

And i dont think you should be angry with him.

That doesnt in any way - infringe on your rights.

 

For example. I read alot of David Icke.

People judge that alot. But i dont get upset. Cause I understand it.

That doesnt make me enjoy him any less, and doesnt impede me reading him either.

[Opinion : Psytrance hippies are the worst lot]

So, essentially, you're against poseurs who, for example, wear a bindi without understanding the significance of it... but wearing one while understanding the significance is fine.

 

So it's not cultural appropriation, it's simply being a shallow poseur that is the problem.

yeah.

 

Its like saying to a guy who is about to kill you "Hey you are disrespecting my right to live, but its ok I respect that." Practically its the same just this example is more...severe.

please re-think what you just wrote

(i mean, you dont consider someone about to murder you the same as someone critizising you reading about satanism, do you? Its about respecting eachothers opinion. Not about respecting eachothers right to murder one another.)

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Of course I'm disrespectful towards a person who disrespects me in the first place.

from what i read, he didnt disrespect you - he disrespected you for reading about satanism?

and you frowned upon him doing so.

which is your right.

but you didnt respect him for that was a mistake on your end, imo.

 

edit: if you dont agree with me there is no reason to take it to heart or be upset with me.

[electronica that almost make you wanna QQ]

i dont get it. :/

[Clipping!? How worse is it?]

in this context;

it doesnt matter unless you hear distortion, and even then it would still be subjective.

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Wait what?! First of all, I dont have hatred or intolerance towards anyone on the basis of religion, ethnicity or fascism in general. Second, HE (my roommate)is the intolerant one just as much as he was ignorant. He got angry because of a book I was reading and the book ended up not being about the satanism he thought it was? Excuse me man?!

Explain how was I the intolerant one. When I said "I dont respect that logic" I meannt that I dont respect that people get unprovokingly offended and then bash on onto the source! And the people who do that are the intolerant ones!

to you it was unprovoked.

to him it was not.

 

and you flat out refused to respect that, you said so.

so in my book, that makes you disrespectful.

but i also respect that, so i wont call you out on it - except now when we are discussing the very subject.

i just wanted you to learn that just because you might consider something unprovoked doesnt necessarily mean other people feel the same way.

that is why you should respect other peoples opinion and feelings toward a subject matter - especially one as fragile as Religion.

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LOL...It's as if some community - not christians - came up with a new type of music and subculture, with t-shirts and CD covers featuring the Pope, Jesus, and the Virgin Mary. Not everybody would appreciate

thank you. that said it perfectly

 

I have not seen anyone do that. I wonder why??

 

Cough cough** because you(not you) tried to wipe out the cultural minorities and force them with "Christianity" because it is "inherently" superior.

 

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I guess all that history reading is getting to me! :/

he was sarcastic.

but i can see where you are coming from. its truly understandable you feel strongly about it, i would too, and i completely respect that.

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For an example of such touchy people:

In highschool I had a roomate who is a touchy religious person and once I was reading "The Satanic Bible" by Anton Szandor LaVey. Even though the book doesnt have anything to do with worshipping the devil, he got offended. Even IF the book did talk about the theological satanism, why should he get offended by a book I was reading?! Take into the account i never openly disrepsected his religion.

Same bad logic goes for this cultural appropriation and I dont respect that at all.

i dont think thats a bad logic from that person at all.

its fully understandable to me. it seems to me you are an incredibly intolerant and disrespectful person if you feel that way.

but i respect that, too.

[padi vs. ap - liquid soul - global illumination (remix) (teaser)]

fine leave the post

 

but its just a teaser final product will be different.

http://www.aeap.se/ftp/global4.mp3

link: http: //www.aeap.se/ftp/global4.mp3

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Edit -- ok, we are talking about hippies? Fine maybe the twisted fucks might have felt guilty about the acts of their earlier generations.

i think there is some truth in that. subcounscious truth maybe.

[Selling my Goa-trance collection]

only one album by AP and its the remix album

dafuq

 

edit: realised you might have already sold those. or dont want to sell them

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+1

 

Do metal fans care about all the satanic stuff? It's part of their scene.

I personally don't give a flying fuck about shiva and ganesha, but they're trademarks of our scene. You're not supposed to take it seriously.

i think perhaps satanists MIGHT take it seroiously, and also hindus and buddhists MIGHT take the psytrance "trademarks" seriously too.

religion can be touchy for some people and we should respect that.

 

i wouldnt advertise hinduism - for example - if thats not my religion. i know that now.

as a youngster i had shiva on a backdrop and was proud of it.

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This was posted on Richpa's FB page a month ago and I had commented -- "Possibly an Om in the middle if I'm feeling cheesy that day " (Its you AP, talking about a tattoo) the extent of cultural appropriation is such that a sacred symbol/sound is cheesy now. -- This is what I have said.

 

Of course one is free to tattoo a hundred Om's on his forehead But that sentence by AP shows how far a symbol has been used/abused. Being a Hindu(read- raised in a hindu family and surrounded by people who follow hinduism strictly) I am not sure how I feel about it. Its just weird.

 

There was an incident reported in the news here. An angry mob of right wing guys made an Australian dude write an apology letter for having a goddess (sacred to the mob) tattooed on his leg and boasting it off. For the Aussie its just a cool exotic picture but for the mob it kinda is everything.

 

I dont know what I'm saying. :/ If you can make any sense out of it, great.

the Om itself is not cheesy at all.

That is not what i meant. I meant that the Om in that context, makes ME cheesy.

Just to be clear

The om is great, i love it still, and the meaning behind it. I felt like a buddhist most my young life.

But - in the context of goatrance, for me to tatoo the om - well, that would be cheesy. IMO.

just like a tatoo of shiva - would be - in the same context.

If I was a buddhist or a hindu, rather, for real, ofc that symbol would not be cheesy at all.

 

edit: can you link the facebook discussion?

 

edit: this is actually my wallet, i had since i was 17 to 25. (1998 - 2007)

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I think you meant it the other way. Goa trance being the mother

 

 

actually no, psy trance is the genre, goatrance the style. thats how i always have seen it.

 

When I rip music into my computers, I label the genre on nearly all of it "Goa". If it has its origins in the Goa sound, than it's Goa to me.

thats how i feel too. i also label it and call it Goa.

but i still recognize psy trance as the main genre when im being technical.

just as Trance is the father of psychedelic trance.

like i said, pure technicality but still, right is right..

 

edit: like this. All Goatrance is Psychedelic Trance. Right? But not all Psychedelic Trance is goatrance. That is a correct statement that any can agree on.

 

So Psychedelic Trance MUST be the father/mother - otherwise that statement wouldnt make sense. It would be the other way around.

 

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i stopped reading when he said that psytrance is "goa trance's sibling".

if he doesnt understand the basics then he shouldnt be speaking on it in the first place.

psytrance is goa trance's MOTHER genre, and not a sibling.

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ive noticed the elitism in "hippies" too. and i seriously frown upon that.

i agree with imba regarding the annoy-factor too. i remember back when i was partying, and there was always this small group of people everywhere you went.

they were ok, granted, but they were also super annoying and they felt they were above everyone else while saying the opposite.

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i had backdrops of shiva and buddha when i was young, like 19 or something, but now i think it has nothing to do with the music at all, and i dont think goa, india when i hear the word goa, i just think the music.

i can fully understand if a buddhist feels it is inappropriate to associate buddhism with goatrance.

i also am alot more rightwing than hippies so i dont feel a relation to hippies either, although it is definetely closer than buddhism.

[your favourite track by oood]

sounds kinda like slinky wizard

[electronica that almost make you wanna QQ]

there are a few but its still pretty rare imo.

 

id like to share this one, i dont think many of you have heard it.

 

Idenline - I pray

 

and a few honorable mentions<3

D.M.T - excite me

 

feint - my sunset

 

feint ft veela - horizons

 

i guess there is something about liquid that resonates with me strongly.

[Top 3 most psychedic goa albums in your opinion?]

noosphere - radiated

hallucinogen - lone deranger

astral - amen

[Your favorite downtempo goa track?]

 

Excellent choices!

The entire Blue Planet album could really qualify here

quite so indeed

btw anything from aes dana and aural planet really is pure magic.

even though it might crossover from psy/goa towards more real ambient/chillout - its without a doubt psychedelic in nature.

[What music are you listening to right now?]

Wow new album? that went past me completely. when did it come out?

tbh i havent been that much into new albums lately. this guy is awesome though, so im interested in getting it..

 

nice track, that one! cool mixing too. the acid melody towards the middle sounds alot like another track that i cant think of the name right now.

oh - there it went - VTOL!

 

definately technossommy vibes going on here.

bassline is great too, reminds me of dimension 5.