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  1. 17 hours ago, recursion loop said:



    Regarding the Future Ducks track, i love it :) I does have a good dose of self-irony.  I don't believe it was made for self-promotion or  to take the piss out of the scene, rather I guess they have collected all the stereotypical criticism about progressive/minimal and made a track of these stereotypes, just for the fun of it. 

    thats a good take on it, and i suppose youre right maybe i was a bit harsh on them :) it was a funny video i give them that; id just hate for it to be some sort of self promo . not sure why but it doesnt sit right. but your take sounds more plausible ! 

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  2. i meant the youtube video itself. the meme so to speak. Loud did that? :D 


    edit: lol youre right, haha okay thats strange. That now seems a bit cocky instead of funny. I thought it was just a random memer complaining about the state of psytrance who did that video. Not an artist wanting to say "hey, we can do it better" : ( that was an anticlimax .

  3. 7 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:


    I did some digging, and my memory wasn't wrong :) Bill Cosmosis was indeed a member here on psynews:



    I stand corrected and my apologies :)



    13 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

    Some egyptian themed goa intro, messing around with the D-16 Phoscyon 303 clone through reverbs/delays, with a kick drum, bass, choir pads, flutes, hookpads, "airy white noise sweeps" and some arps, headphone mix so bass is probably too low as usual :) :ph34r:


    the 303 pattern is in the "egyptian" scale/mode as well to fit with the rest.



    nice! a little Khetzal-esque in the feeling of it :) 

    edit: btw is "egyptian" mode pretty much Phrygian mode? Or is that a scale and not a mode? I am not musically trained Im learning as I go along. 

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  4. On 6/30/2020 at 10:15 PM, Basilisk said:

    Circling back to the original question, I'd like to take a stab at it. Modern comparisons to X-Dream's second album are difficult because most new school Goa trance emphasizes Pleiadian maximalism or Dimension 5's emphasis on whirling cosmic melodies. X-Dream circa 1996 is distinguished by a much cleaner sound palette, sunny melodies (with an occasional hint of something sinister), and those warm, bubbling bass lines that everyone loves so much. I rifled through my collection and didn't find too much along these lines... but two albums jumped out at me: Robert Elster's Still Breathing and Solid Snake's Return to the Source, both released in 2016. Yes, they're both on the progressive psytrance tip, both are slower, but the vibe feels right, and those bass lines are certainly on point.

    As for MFG, that feels a little easier, since Radical Distortion exists (check Asinar for a representative example of their imitation MFG sound). Maybe Artifact303's Back to Space would also qualify. My gut sense is that there's a fair amount of darker new school Goa trance roughly in this dimension (but I don't really listen to enough of it to know).

    Finally, some potentially overlooked classics at least somewhat related to either X-Dream circa 1996 or MFG circa 1999: Morphem's Out of Focus, Noosphere's Radiated, California Sunshine's Flying Eye Land, Menis' Temporary Insanity, Passenger's For All Man Kind, and The Auranaut's People Want to Be Needed (certain tracks anyway).


    I really love your analysis. Pleiadian maximalism. Thats a sentence I never thought Id see :) and I pretty much know exactly what youre talking about too :D Hrm sky* cough* input

  5. He was never here. Yeah he used the basstation iirc for the acid synth and to get the desired distortion he pushed the channel on the first mixer to max then ran it into another mixer and pushed that channel too. Analog distortion at its finest. But ofc it's all recreatable in software you just have to think a little outside the box no pun intended, to get the right sounding noise, distortion, and even passive filtering and compression that's the nature of resistors and transistors in any analog unit.. So some people who say software sounds thin and lifeless aren't incorrect but it's certainly possible to emulate each step in the analog process inside software, it just gets really really technical and quite difficult to nail something so abstract and almost esoteric nature of how the audio is processed in an analog chain..... Anyway I'm rambling.. 


    Yes he used both the albino and the vanguard aswell as zebra synths - at least for his tutorials on YouTube. But back in 98 he used basstation, and one i can't remember right now but I'll edit this post tonight to add it in, it's one that doesn't get too much mention and it's not a Roland. 


    Edit : it was the waldorf pulse :)

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  6. 11 minutes ago, MikroMakro said:

    Indeed Moonshine, an incredible track and very advanced and futuristic sound for its time. I had the bass 90-95pct nailed albeit a different pattern, add the square wave in and you get a special something : ) Maybe he will drop by one day this thread and let you know, Billy Cosmosis comes across as an all round nice chap, you could probably ask him on his YouTube channel he seems pretty open to commentary and questions.


    Yeah I've had convos with him on YouTube. (maybe you even saw our convos :D)He is an amazing guy, really love him alot. Haha moonshine you too?? Yes I used both a saw and a square aswell as noise. Spire is awesome cause it has 4 sources and each source can be whatever you want and it has deep modulation abilities and extremely easy to work with. Sound reminds me of a mix between jp8000 and Virus. But sadly lacks a little something. But nothing that a little transformer distortion in the fx chain couldn't add. Anyway spire is really freaking good at pretty much anything except it lacks just a little something special in the sound department... Otherwise I'd say its the perfect VA. 

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  7. 3 hours ago, MikroMakro said:

    There must be something in the air as when I spotted this thread some weeks back I was trying to recreate a Cosmosis bass, mainly for fun so I learnt a little about the old ways of bass whilst experimenting. 1) Try the Novation Bass Station VSTi, common bass synth of the era, I owned the original hardware back in the day. 2) Blend some square wave into your saw. I made commentary some time ago about an Etnica bass having some extra "vibrancy", adding some square in gets this result. You can also try adding a very very small amount of some kind of chorus type effect, 1-2pct (or maybe the very smallest touch of I.M. Wider, the trick with any artificial pseudo stereo is use a very small amount, be tasteful.) so you keep most of the low end stable but have just a very small amount of width to it, just enough to subtle-y tickle the ears. Just a very small amount and set it up on headphones and monitors for the right effect for both.

    I imagine any soft synth you can blend some square and of course the obligatory envelope control LPF.

    I have a love hate relationship with making old school inspired tracks. On one hand it can be fun, on the other it has all been done before and very, very well.

    Tryptamine dream is one of my favourites from A.P. The main lead to me sounds like a Supersaw (with correct amount of detune/spread) in an arp/repetitive overlapping note MIDI pattern with some portamento/glide which gives it a slightly on the edge of being out of tune (which adds to its smeary slippery-ness) with a wash of very nice reverb. That should get you close.

    Which Cosmosis track? A few months ago I tried recreating the bass and main lead of Moonshine. I got close to the bassline, may even post it here and it was also made in spire. The main lead with all those glorious 32th notes I did not quite nail yet. 

    And thanks for a really great and interesting post, I'd love to hear what you have. Yes tryptomine dream is also one of my very favorite ap tracks. 

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  8. 15 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

    . The tuning can be a bitch sometimes with these old tracks due to various reasons, I certainly feel you on that one. Sometimes it's a combination of things, for example the scale used plus how they set the tuning of the oscillators, sometimes amplified by unstable osc tuning, and then some external chorus which further adds variation to the timbre can mess with your ears a lot. And when the ears get fatigued, it can often become difficult detecting pitch correctly. Gonna boot up logic now to see wuzzup :D 

    It sounds promising that you seem to have got the timing and the pitch of the individual notes, have I understood the progress so far correctly? So now it's only the finer details of the actual patch and effect chain that needs some work?

    Yes the tuning is my biggest problem atm. I have the basic melody but the tuning on my attempt seems too perfect and doesn't have the organic feel of the original. Your input on this is greatly appreciated and think youre spot on. (about analog synths going slightly out of tune aswell as chorusing causing such an effect aswell)


    I also think I've read that they also had a phaser on most of their leads, and the key there i think is that both the chorus and the phaser is summed to mono, which could cause both phase issues (pleasing and interesting ones that may even actually cause a shift in pitch) and ofc if you normally add unison or chorus the sound becomes wide, but not in this case as I'm pretty sure dancing galaxy lead is all mono..

    My progress currently is that I have the pattern somewhat, aswell as the patch built in spire and one in diva. Gonna try tal uno-lx too and see which sounds closest, currently my spire version sounds the best but it's not fully there yet. Thanks, I'll send you a pm.



    BTW such a very cool topic it became I did not expect it to be so fun already even if its mostly talk at this point. I need to put up or shut up I guess :P


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  9. On 6/25/2020 at 7:01 PM, AstralSphinx said:

    Yes the MC-202 is very cool, particularly for acid lines since it has accent, which the SH-101 lacks. However it needs a mod in order to work better, as it has a weak CPU or flawed design or something that introduces massive lag when controlling it externally if I remember correctly. I love the form factor/portability of it compared to the SH-101.

    any progress on the MFG stuff? =) ofc, you could chose any track you want, but you specifically asked for MFG so  :) i think if anyone can do it its you. Im still working on the dancing galaxy lead, i think the sound itself is pretty much close to being finished, just need the right amount of noise and filtering, but the notes.... maybe the tuning wasnt perfect on the original dancing galaxy; cause it seems borderline microtonal at times; or im just in way over my head with that one. i even put the original to 100bpm to more easily recreate the pattern but i think the tuning isnt fully perfect on the original causing that slight microtonal feel.... Or its just a vibrato and nothing more complicated than that, but yeah it aint easy thats for sure... And whatever I come up with sounds super stale in comparison..



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  10. 11 hours ago, Basilisk said:

    You're probably thinking about Future Prophecy, which was pretty much an X-Dream cover band [edit] around when they released Shadows. Plenty of Israeli projects around the turn of the millennium took a lot of inspiration from X-Dream; I'd say Cosma was the best of the lot (in that he learned from X-Dream and created his own unique sound), but there are plenty of others that might scratch the itch.

    Yes!!! It was future prophecy! Phew finally I can put it to rest. Thank you. 

  11. 25 minutes ago, Multi-Media said:

    Well there was this style "industrial-noise" already 25+ years ago,



    that i can understand; it was faaar from -2db lufs - even your example "datsik + virtual riot" i can understand, it was within the range of acceptable 'musicality', in my opinion. but that "HEKLER - frequency jammer" i couldnt understand at all. and i think im just getting too old and thats exactly what my dad said about goa trance when it arrived :D "how can you listen to this noise its just DUM-TS-DUM-TS-DUM-TS and everything sounds the same"

  12. Just checked the Youtubes you guys linked. What in gods green earth is that. The kick and snare seems fairly coherent and punchy but the rest is just distorted noise I can't imagine it sounding any better on the dancefloor. Kids these days man what can you do. I blame deadmau5. While he has some very good melodies and quite nicely produced I think it's his fault that this generation thinks squashing everything sounds good. (as far as dubstep and generic edm go anyway) 

    Deathstep is a good name for it, Holy crap it's unlistenable



    Yeah you may be right I will concede :)

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  13. On 6/25/2020 at 11:39 PM, Padmapani said:

    it's probably not the synths. i also read in other music production forums and often see people mention unironically that they stack multiple instances of ott (from ableton's "over the top" compressor preset) over each other. no wonder everything sounds flat and lacks atmosphere afterwards. some dubstep producers even posit that it's essential for the aggressive tone of their music to limit it to somewhere between -2 and -3 lufs. that's just insanity.

    isnt it the xFer OTT plugin that inspired the ableton Over the top preset? chicken and the egg scenario perhaps.

    i was under the impression the xfer plugin came first. anyway it doesnt matter, and youre right. it does flatten things out but when used in moderation its an easy cheat code to get a sound sounding fatter and bigger than it really is. ive not yet heard any dubstep in the -2db lufs range but then again i dont listen to much dubstep id rather keep my sanity =) (at least whats left of it :P)

  14. Your input in the thread has been amazing and at least you participate : ) 

    edit: everyones input has been amazing :) 


    Well if you feel like going towards MFG instead, thats fine with me I love mfg, how about the crazy alien sounds of We Are The Machines? :) pick any lead or sound from there, should be plenty of fun ^^ 

    the bassline is really great, and it sounds like a juno for sure. speaking of cool basslines, transwave did their basslines with the mc-202 IIRC; which is pretty much like a different version of the sh-101. pwm with the sub oscillator mixed in high. evident in all transwaves stuff and sounds really good =) 

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  15. 7 hours ago, AstralSphinx said:

    Indeed, ask him ;) he is/was a member here :) I remember atleast that he was a veeery long time ago.

    I'm gonna play around some more with recreating some AP sounds tonight, this time I will listen to the actual album at the same time, way easier to get the detune right that way. By playing along to the album.

    What sounds besides the leads interest you the most? Point me to some track/album/sound :) The FX as you've allready touched upon was an integral part of their signature sound. The ping pong delay from the Alesis Quadraverb was very popular among the goa trance producers of the golden era, and if my memory serves me right I think Filteria used that one as well. This unit was/is very affordable, and gives a very good spatial 3D sound to the synthesizer sounds run through it when combined with a hall reverb. As can be heard here with Hallucinogen:


    And here with I Savastano on the TB-303 + SH-101 or the Juno-106. 

    The Alesis Quadraverbs ping pong delays can be reproduced easily on all kinds of delay plugins, particularly on Native Instruments Replika and Replika XT.

    the Eventide Harmonizer was also instrumental in getting that Hallucinogen sound. 

    Ah, Id love to see the Etnica/Pleadians leads re-created i find those to be particularily hard to do and ive not yet gotten fairly close. And the jd-800 was apparently the main focus in their tracks and when you think of the etnica sound; its the jd-800 that was responsible for the bulk of it. Apparently. Anyway maybe the leads of Time Dilation or Zeta Reticuli could be a big challenge, but then again the same leads are in most of their stuff.

    Yes replika XT is for sure the 90s goa sound (as far as delays go anyway), i urge everyone to get that one!

  16. 17 hours ago, Multi-Media said:

    Watch the video above, I saw a Nord (1 or 2?), 2 x something from Walddorf (1x Microwave), a 303, some "rompler" it looks like from Roland (JD/JV something?) and an EMU Morpheus ah and 2 x Oberheim something. Guess you guys can identify more...

    The JD800 was very good especially for pads iirc. I believe there is a rack version (990). In theory one needs only 2 good samplers.. like F242 they had the Emulators mostly. And Depeche also...they were used a lot in their tracks, more samplers than synths. Well for more moving sound like Goa, of course a real synth with many knobs is desired.

    yes, i will watch the video :) they likely had the JV-1080 rompler which was very popular at that time. Oh ofc the EMU line, like the EMU Emulator II for example.. 


    The jd-800 was more than pads and samples, think of 4 different VAs, romplers, additive and (i dont know if they had FM capability) all in one. And 4 sources so each source could be a saw wave or a sample from the rom, or -- well see i dont know more than that about the jd-800. yes the rack version was the 990. Etnica made many of their signature sounds with the JD - someone said once, maybe it was Draeke. and filteria said once that the lead from Spiritual Healing was made with the JD aswell. so much more than pads =)


    and hallucinogen had the very unique british synth called OSCar; looks really really wierd but sounds absolutely fantastic; youtube it and you will instantly recognise the simon sound in there.

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