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On 1/14/2021 at 2:27 PM, Open Source said:
All dark psy trance producers united, are a tiny little hair of my left nutball.
Psytrance is ending up in a boring, lineal and lack of affection genre.
When Goatrance started to fade out and Psytrance came into the scene, it was all lost in time and space.
I can't take a liking to this:
Gemini Spirit - Dark Euphoria (2021)
While I lost my mind with this:
The Delta - Thing (2000)
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It'll always be the 2000 remix for me. THe version is a real squeeze of the original track. Maybe some more arp-plucks? No. It's really OK the way it is. Lovely strings work.
When i was younger, I had a boyfriend who dedicated me one song of an over-sentimental love songwriter. Immediately, when he finised, I searched for the y.2000 remix of this track and I dedicated it to him willing he would learn something. He didn't. I left him. Music thrilled me more at that time. -
On 2/10/2017 at 9:04 AM, antic604 said:
Apparently he's unstuck already
Love that about today's internet - people come, ask for something and then never come back to reply
Hi! I LOL with your comment! But sadly, this is just the same as in real life.
I've read a post of someone asking for feedback on a track, but there's no song anywhere! These kind of posts makes me think of those awful paintings of "xxxx waz ere 9T3"...
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Hi!
I'm looking for a Goatrance track since late 90s... All I can remember and say is that in the track you've pointed we can hear what I'm talking about at 00:51
'Datura - Devotion (Karma Marga)'https://youtu.be/QnC2JR-AwSc?t=51s
I can also remember that the track I'm looking for had several sitars sounding among that fx'd vocal loop. "Dam, dam dam, oh oh weee...".
Could somebody help me in this neverending search?
Thanks in advance!
Woow, a lot of good stuff here, thanks everybody!
You can be shiva Yeah that's the spirit!!
This is a sound that needs to be recognized and reborn I have been inspired a lot by these sounds lately....
Nice mixes Oopie btw, maybe even better with track start points in the comments?
Those new beat and techno tracks have nice filter sounds (and are replicating that half step octave melody over and over in every tune), but I think the most interesting are the ones that already some more psychedelic influences... It's kind of interesting that after the psychedelic phase trance became kind of disco again with full-on.
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Hi! I've read your question and I've been looking for a good pair of headphones lately, because all I was doing with my Technics RP-880 (open, conceived for DJing) sounded so different in any other speakers that I had to change them. Nowadays I have a Beyerdynamic's pair of DT770 PRO (closed) and they sound perfect. They don't enhance the sound, any frequency, nothing. Just the sound, as-is. I had to retouch anything made with those Technics, listening to it with the Beyerdinamic
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Hi guys.
i am Event Horizon. a relatively new sort-of Goa psytrance producer.
i've published a short preview for some new project im on.
i would really like to hear your thoughts about that track. i never learned how to mix properly and i would like to have some thoughts
be harsh as possible ^^!
https://soundcloud.com/or_event_horizon/event-horizon-pcyans-wip-preview
Hey! Nice preview! The structure and sounds selected truly reminds to oldschool goatrance ('98). I must say this looks like if it was a rejected track of Prana, The Muses Rapt or MFG.
I would low a couple of decibels the distorted lead which starts at 2:16 - 2:17 and add to it some HI-pass-eq reverb. Add some closed charles line and the snares someone mentioned before.
Things I would change: Do not start from the beginning with the kick. Try to create some atmosphere before releasing the kick. Those vocal samples are perfect, mix them with the trippy sounds and a short loop of the main melody or lead or whatever would sound later. You know, to make an intro, some kind of atmosphere which guides the listener to prepare to what's coming later.
This track has lots of possibilities. I really liked it.
Keep on that work!
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Good to hear it works for you! What would you say differentiates it - in terms of work-flow - from Live 9? I tried both extensively and frankly both worked out very well for me, because of combined session (clips) and arrangement (timeline) views, but I wasn't very fond of Bitwig's interface, while I liked the simplicity of Live 9. Still, the underlying modularity of Bitwig is something great, e.g. being easily able to route certain parts of the sound via specified effects. In the end I purchased Live 9 Suite which even if more expensive (even with Christmas discount & upgrade from Live 9 Lite) seemed more 'complete', starting from the manual which was much better and clearer. Also, the amount of content - free tutorials, packs, M4L devices, etc. - is huge for Live 9, because it's on the market 14+ years, compared to Bitwigs 3+.
But in the future I'll really consider switching to Bitwig, because indeed it shapes up to be awesome, especially for music like ours.
The thing is that being the couple of a programmer since quite years ago makes me notice certain details. As of my point of view, Live's a great DAW, but I feel that they have been dragging bugs so long that they have decided to not pay attention to them anymore and carry on by other ways. I can't imagine why they have not implemented a multiple pattern edition function (multiclip edition), which I think helps a lot to those who hasn't learned anything about music in their first contact with the software. Beside's the price. I don't think that everybody could afford it.
But to answer your question: the workflow is boosted since there is no "technical" blockage. A simple example of this is the fact that you can search your plugin's presets from Bitwig. It is really helpful and saves time. Instead of loading a plugin and search into the plugin's presets, you can have a look at them at once, enter a search by words, bla, bla. But the best of this is that you instantly hear the sound. Much better than going into a plugin and dive into it, I think. Even the parameters of a plugin are "searcheable". And you have the option to choose which display mode fits you better. There are several other interesting things into Bitwig, but the thing is that each one could work whithin its comfort: work in where you feel comfortable. For instance, I would never be comfortable working into Rebirth, nor Cubase.
The problem out there is that I believe that people wants a DAW-for-all and make music just pushing one button. Much Goatrance was made with hardware, and to do that you would not need much more than Audacity (freely downloadable) and all your machines/effects (of course!). We all want to sit one day in front of the computer and push a button to "sound nice" but this does not work that way, I think. So I believe that having a software which offers what really helps in music making is something to consider: nice price, nice capabilities and nice usage, mixed with outstanding stability.
I don't think if others would like it too, but as Abba said: "I do, I do, I do...".
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Bitwig 2 was just announced: https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio/bitwig-studio-2.html
Hi there!
I have used/tryed several DAWs since mid-90s: FastTracker, Jeskola's Buzz, FruityLoops (and the later FL Studio), Ableton Live, Cubase, Studio One, Reaper... But the one which has fitted me like a glove has been Bitwig Studio. I'm impressed on how simple is being creative with this software. It boosts your workflow and it works really nice: no need to wait for minutes to load any plugin. But the reason why I decided to finally buy this one a couple of weeks ago was its integration into its application. I mean: You can duplicate clips/samples/whatever into the arrangement view, but also into the clip edition view, which can be individual or multiple. It's charming, because I finally found a DAW which is not too complicated (quick workflow) and that really cares in a matter of harmony (which is what music is all about, if somebody had forgotten it).
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I think it might be not so easy to answer? There's a lot of the kind that you might think "I don't like this" but it's not necessarily bad, just forgettable. Well, I was just recording one DAT tape late in the night, this track starts to play and... I started laughing it just sounds like every little thing done wrong.
Hi! I remember well that track. It came, if I am not wrong, in Fill your head with Phantasm Vol.4... what a shame track... If I can remember well, it was Eco System - Brainbow, shorter version in the compilation (thanks! haha)
Anyway, talking about tracks which seems to me a real disaster (beside the one you mentioned) is another one which came in that compilation, too.
It is Aether - Opti-Mystic:
How can a track which starts so nice, changes so interestingly at a minute and less than a minute after (about 1.55), it starts to get absolutely wrong each bar that counts.
Listening to that track was like: oh, what a nice groove to start with! Let's listen to the end, and a couple of minutes later it was like: ¬¬U
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For years, I've been trying to get that psychedelic Goa sound. That electronic sound: synthetic, but with a pinch of an organic feeling.
This is like love: the more you search for it, the less possibilities to find it. For some of us this achievement takes years...
The best way to start is trying any DAW which fails in your hands until you find the one which you feel comfortable with: Finding that Goa'ish sound could take you hours. So, any DAW which makes making things easier, is welcomed. I have tried lots of DAWs since mid-90's, I started with FastTracker, learning from those compo's I could find on the net: Atuiliqon Alchemy, Heatseeker...
The thing is mostly going to help you is to listen to the music. The more you listen to it, the more you will learn. Of course, you'll have to be a good listener with a good "musical" sense.
Besides the recommendation of vst plugins like... Sylenth1 (known by all), Albino3 (the same), Silverbox (303), Nexus (ROM based multi sampler/synth, I don't know), Dune2 , TAL-U-NO-LX (Pads), and EFFECTS, of course, we don't go anywhere without them!: ArsAcoustic Verb (really nice Reverb), any frequency shifter which gives you the Flanger, anything could give you a Ping-Pong Delay...
...IS the question: How could you control all those warping repetitive morphing midi notes? It's not easy if you're not organized and get some help, also. Goatrance is not child's play, hehe, but...Your very, very friends are the ARPEGIATTORS! Any could be ok, but I recommend you the BlueARP. It's blue, it's nice, it's handy and even better: free.
This is the starting point. Since here, your efforts would be very importants for developping any track, because sometimes not everything sounds "nice" at first (in the worst cases, even at the end).
Another thing would help you a lot could be scales (you know, from Cx to Cx+1, the only notes which are going to be used. E.g.: try Bhairav raga as scale: C3-Db-E-F-G-Ab-B). Do NOT use the rest of the keys in that octave. This is the indian feeling. Those mandalas, Ganesh, the incense smell, those hindi gods/goddess and all that stuff are in there. Its like Pandora's box, you just need to find the way to open the lock.
But remember, all this does nothing at all if you haven't listened enough.
Good luck, mate! =)
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As a DAW, i have tried Cubase, FL Studio, several others and Live, which is the one that fits to me. Cubase may be a beast, but I find it really messy to work with. FL Studio... just for loops, not for sequencing. WIN user, haven't touched a MAC in my whole life, so I can not talk about Logic.
As plugins... it's your choice. It depends on what sounds you are looking for.
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I went to a party a few months ago where Thierry Gotti from Spectral and Holeg Spies attended and when they came on stage they started rocking this weird blend of psy-trance and baddass heavy guitar with Thierry on the Guitar ofc. It was beyond epic. They created a very serious and unique atmosphere.
Also I heard similar tracks on local retro trance parties but I cant figure out which or whose tracks they were.
Post such tracks bellow if you know any.
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The first which came to my mind was "Drosophila", but there are not any guitar riffs, those are from silverboxes...
Instead of that one from S.U.N. Project, try "Out of my brain":
By the hand of The Delta, we have the remix of Johann Bley's "Stranded" (there are 303's, guitars and a stomping baseline):
Skazi has something more rock'ish than others, but, personally, I don't like, but that does not mean that you neither, so try this "Seek and destroy":
And the ultra-famous "xtc" by the same before:
Ops! I have just reminded another classic of all times, "Sex, drugs & acidtrance" by S.U.N. Project:
Try also these ones (not riffs, but guitars, more acoustic, but guitars):
Infected Mushroom - Statik Dancing:
Infected Mushroom - Deeply Disturbed:
And as you've been told up there, try Dark Soho:
"Unusual Ceremony":
Just for saying one, because I enjoy the whole album, "Sun Spot" (2000), which I strongly reccommend you, if you want to listen to some nice guitar tracks. They also have two albums: Combustion, which is not as strong as Sun Spot; and Light in the dark, with several guitar tracks, try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snkDx4T1jgQ.
If I am right, Dark Soho and S.U.N. Project were rock artists before they got in touch with Goatrance.
Hope you had a little luck with these all.
PLUR.
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I know this post is old, but I just wanted to let you know that sounds a-w-e-s-o-m-e. Thank you for sharing it with us! =D
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Hi everybody!
This is an absolute masterpiece. Can not stop repeating it once and another, and another... and so on...
Bohemian - Bohemian Love Stories:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-gYZV-k0_0
EDIT: Uhm... my browser does strange things...
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Hi there!
I have been listening to Goa for more than fifteen years and I have to admit I stopped to follow new releases as Goa disappeared and somebody tried to call it Psytrance. I think they are just opposed in the way to do the same thing: get into trance. Goatrance made me kneel for It, but Psytrance is too sharp, it sounds too metallic, industrial, too much distorted. I liked much more Goatrance as is. Its sounds were much more clear, bassdrums need not to be heavy, those synths... OMG! That were sounds that when you heard them, you thought: "it is... it's like... if somebody would have been working on some chemicals in their laboratory... I never thought those sounds or melodies would even exist!" That's the feeling, that's what you mention as a "cosmic feel". Those sounds and melodies were there, but it was not until those alchemists searched for them, or they even would found that sounds by pure chance. The result is this special sound that differs to all I heard before.It was not until year 2001 or so, it was when I realized that there was no more that exotic feeling it used to have guaranteed. The ambience was lost as Goatrance died. This was why I decided to go backwards in time, re-listening, discovering new tracks or sometimes, new brief artists with only a handful of tracks until 2009 I noticed oldschool Goa was back, as there were some people not yet totally convinced for the new Psytrance who worked on redefining this genre to its roots. Best notice for me. Hope it will finally lasts long...Although I had a nice small collection of DAT tapes my oldest sibling had brought back from Goa after being there from '88-'93 the compilation that for me then and to this day is PSYCHEDELIC trance is Tantrance 6. It truly is the no. 1 brain bending compilation & has such a cosmic feel to it.
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I must say those two tracks you mention are truly nice for a beginning! Nice start!
As you tell your story, I'll tell mine: I was a teenager back in late 9T's and I used to go to a certain fashion shop where you could buy from a pair of trendy boots or trainers to piercings, trendy clothes, albums and compilations in CD or even cassette, where they were usual to have flyers and one day I found one flyer with an advertisement of a records shop in which were a long list of music genres they were selling: Techno, House, Hardcore, Trance, Electro, Dub, Ambient, Goa, Acid, Experimental, Acid-Jazz, Hardtrance, Drum 'n Bass, bla, bla, bla... and I immediately thought: Uhm.... I know well all of them, but... wait... What's this? Goa? Uhm... I need to know what is this about, right there I asked the shop assistant for anything to carry home, and the rest is known yet.
Nice thread.
For me the compilation that made me fall in love with goa trance was Trance Asia Express http://www.discogs.com/Various-Trance-Asia-Express-The-Best-Of-Goa-Trance-Vol-1/release/166424
It is not a specialcompilation but the track electric pulsation by Electric Universe and Drosophila by S.U.N. Project were very special to me and the music sounded so much different to anything I heart before. it was really the compilation that made me fall in love with Goa. The sound was ver absolutely what I was looking for and I felll in love with it and since then have Goa Trance as my favourite genre.
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Hi! I do not want anyone to do anything, but I would like to say something from my experience and I think Music (in general) is always better being high, sorry for those who would feel offended.
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Hi everyone!
Thanks for reading me. I am an user of Psynews since it's erlier versions in 1998 or so... but I have not written very much around here.
I would like to know which was the Album, Compilation or Ep that was to blame for you to "fall in love" with Goatrance.
Note I specify Goa, not Psy, as I want to refer to people who knows and started with "that" pseudoorganic Goa-sound twenty years ago.
Hope this would become an interesting thread for all of us and for starting, mine was the compilation "Cosmic Conspiracy":
Cheers!
David.
Wat's the best software to make psytrance?
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Regarding to a DAW or to synths?
1st: DAW: any of them could do the job, it depends on you if music is good or not...
2nd: Synths: Psytrance? Goatrance? It depends on what you want to make. For Psytrance it could be good Serum (I'm not into Psytrance anymore, in fact). For Goatrance the best choice is something that emulates old hw stuff like Juno-106, Jupiter 8, 303, SH-101, Nord Lead... So try to get yourself with:
Juno-106 > TAL-U-No-LX
Jupiter 8 > TAL J-8
TB-303 > AudioRealism BassLine 2, for me, better than 3, less noise clicks (or maybe it would be better to get D16 Group Phoscyon, it has more tweaks in general and sounds perfect for me...).
SH-101 > D16 Group LuSH-101 (or maybe TAL Bassline-101, less CPU usage).
Clavia Nord Lead > People say that discoDSP Discovery Pro is a good choice, because it can import clavia's sysex files.
Of course, a TR-909 sample pack woud do the job for drums. And some effects such as a flanger, delay, chorus, phaser & some distortion (D16 Group Redoptor 2 works like a charm)
Besides all mentioned, I found that u-he Diva is an interesting choice for any analog "whatever" you want to sound. It's a multiple old gear's emulation which does its job perfectly.
Here I found a relation of hw stuff it emulates: https://larslentzaudio.wordpress.com/2020/04/18/the-u-he-diva-synthesizer/
Cheers and sorry for taking back to life an old thread.