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    Emotion and Sound

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    That's like, what was first: the chicken or the egg?

     

    So who was the person that has put melancholic sounds on certain movies and pictures? I think conditioning is part of it, but I don't think it can explain all... Like you said, thé test would be: find a person that never heard music in it's life and ask him... But does that kind of people exist?

     

     

    i dont think so

     

     

    perhaps it was a person who didn't intended to create a melancholic vibe with his sounds, but sucked so hard that people felt pity with him

     

     

     

    otherwise, i think all music is created on a visceral level

     

    if it doesnt feel as it was intended to, the sounds need to be examined and re-arranged

     

     

    i dont believe feelings through a certain sound-design/composition can be triggered because of a standardised way of experiencing it

    (after some dude or dudesse decided to call his/her creation "the music where one must feel melancholic" for example)

     

     

    *edit*

     

    perhaps something interesting to read up on... something used for mental/cognitive purposes, through a binaural sound setup

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemi-Sync

    Emotion and Sound

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    sound is energy..

     

    waves of airpressure

     

     

     

    seems something impossible to me.. that exposure to any form of energy doesn't afflict anything at all

     

     

    so to start from that point.. i think you can go and think many different directions

     

     

    such as intensity, interval, tonelevels, and sequences or combinations of such

     

     

    nothing stronger than sound to intensify an impression or situation...

    look at movies for example ;)

    Psychedelic Techno?

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    some more

     

     

    Cari Lekebusch

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJxvGrofLgo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R637Z65k1w

     

    James Ruskin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmdkjFrTxRM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GblCVS6BUc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYnOER4EblI

     

    Andreas Kauffelt

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIUv2LGvLgE

     

    Ortin Cam

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Umcq93CW0

     

    Planetary Assault Systems

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_QcyiH7TmY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_LinQUhHnE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx7cLW45Qmk

     

    Surgeon

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrqIfs19dDY

     

    Oliver Ho

     

    Heiko Laux

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aEXpIkH_iQ

     

    Steve Stoll

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SmNfy6I9qg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb5tl7AUrts

     

    Jeff Mills

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIffAg-xBLM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ4MRTh8Tv8

     

    Damon Wild

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o54aQ3dJ5s

     

    (or some other Synewave techno: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMFlz0dVM1g )

     

     

     

    *edit*

     

    forgot:

     

    Plastikman

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IsUuHeV76U

    Techno or Trance?

    in Other Electronica

    Posted

    but you can't deny one of the main things in trance were (are?) the fat melodic leads and arpeggios allover the tracks, in Techno the melodies are way different...

     

    well ok

     

     

    i get your point, and i agree to disagree

    >as in: to me, i have a different view about it

    and it's all about personal preferences here, so not much use to discuss further i think :)

     

     

     

    some arpeggio techno btw:

    Techno or Trance?

    in Other Electronica

    Posted

    Fine. Then everything is Electronic Music, No genres. Fuck those. Discussion over ;)

    :)

     

     

     

    genres are practical to talk about, and approach music

     

    but if your wanting to make a statement about a genre, your not talking about the music itself anymore ;)

    Techno or Trance?

    in Other Electronica

    Posted

    it's tekno (or freetekno or hard techno or however you want to call it) which is a subgenre of techno. just a bit faster (and imo better) than the commercial stuff (for which RTP posted a really nice expample) ;)

    some good techno (prolly sounds like psytrance for some):

    ;-)

    Techno or Trance?

    in Other Electronica

    Posted

    No.

    Just because both genres started by House doesn't mean that are the same.

    It's like saying Goa is acid techno.

     

    Goa has a lot of characteristics of the old Techno-Trance scene in Frankfurt

     

    it's all about perspective, and the scope from which u fund your arguments

     

    techno can be humongously different than trance if u want

     

    but there're more than plenty of examples where they overlap completely

    Techno or Trance?

    in Other Electronica

    Posted

    The biggest question of all! :D

     

    Techno or Trance?

     

    First of all when I mean techno and trance I don't mean exclusively the classic techno and trance scenes. I mean the overall styles of these genres that can be present in any other dance genre.

    For example Psychedelic Trance and Psychedelic Techno etc.

     

    Second I didn't add a 'both' choice for obvious reasons. I guess 90% of the members here like both of them, but the question is which one you prefer the most?

     

    it's like you're not eager to point your finger at it, while the whole equation u are using does it for you

     

    first of all... both techno AND trance are in fact house music

    second.. i know of techno tracks that're way more hypnoticising and trance-inducing than any of the stereotypes behind the image "trance-music" nowadays

     

    but, that's what it's all about .. am i right ?

     

    you wanna talk about 2 stereotypes in versus mode, while not referring to the stereotypes intrinsically

     

    cause basically, both are made of the same essence

    only the shift in timesetting and the movement through generations changed parts of the interpretation behind the names, the style, and the mindset

     

     

    how can anyone possibly choose?? both genres are totally different...

    that's just what people made of it

    the electronic scenes are filled with apartheid nowadays ;)

    they all believe their own music reaches the farthest beyond all the heavens

    and that theirs is a unicum

    zieg ubermüsicmenschen ;)

     

    okay... perhaps i'm exagerating now.. :P

     

    but if it would be a discussion about techno vs trance, universally speaking

    then i just don't see this discussion going anywhere but sinking under the heavy payload of disinformation and propagandistic misunderstood archetypical drawings of those

    "retarded scenes that also seem to exist for some sort of stupid reason"

     

     

     

    i love both.

    i can only conclude with these words as well (but i don't really look at them as two opposite or different things µ

    but i guess that could just as well be my preoccupation with earlier stuff talking....

    Gabber, Hardcore...

    in Other Electronica

    Posted

    No schranz by Picotto. Schranz, by definitionm given to it by Sven Vath quite a few years ago, has very little to do, if anything at all, with the music output crafted by Mauro Picotto.

     

    Yes, I agree, some amazing tunes on BXR, but that doesn't make it schranz, naturally.

     

    I don't think the definition of schranz has changed; a decade ago tracks like Dandu Groove by Chris Liebing and Die Eigene Achse and The Chains Of Babylon by Johannes Heil were referred to as schranz. Today, staying true to the german definition, producers from that country are at the forefront of this style of techno. Names like Sven Wittekind, Viper XXL, Marco Remus, Frank Kvitta, Felix Krocher, Robert Natus, and naturally the brasilian Pet Duo, with their mentor DJ Rush, who resided in Berlin, close to where the scene is large!

     

    well.. there are more technoid tracks of him, and there are more hardtrance-oid tracks of him

     

    the technoid part i could definitely place in the schranz section

     

    but it all depends how hard one narrows a genre down to rational definitions i guess ;-)

    Gabber, Hardcore...

    in Other Electronica

    Posted

    Hey RTP, Mauro Picotto is not schranz by Darkarbiter's definition, and mine neither.

     

    Very few italian producers/DJs spin that kind of aggro techno, namely Andrea Leme and Jamal.

     

    Picotto is mainly representing the atrocious hardstyle stuff, which sounds like hard techno coupled with melodies created on a "Fisher Price - my first synthesizer" software...

    He has occasional excursions in the realm of techno, some of them being quite amazing, and I evoke the Taotek EP which he produced with Riccardo Ferri, and its title track, which did wonders on dance floors world wide a few years back.

     

    Picotto made some Schranz, and some hardstyle stuff

     

    , for example hardstyle/hardtrance

     

     

    but schranz nowadays just has a different meaning i guess

     

    heard some good stuff of him on the BXR label, but that's ages ago :)

    Where does this all come from?!?!

    in General Psytrance

    Posted

    it's really too much, and in some sense, it really is too dark. What I am fascinated by much, much more is the "light" side of psychedelic music I don't see people talking about much... How this music opens up one's mind (particularly under the influence...) to beautiful psychedelic experiences, perhaps only seen by those who are members of indigenous cultures of the past.

     

    i love dark music

    but dark psy just aint dark to me

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