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  1. 4 points
    Goa is for Kamasutra Forest psy for a "Treesome" HA! Darkpsy for S&M in a dark Dungeon(Celler) Twilight for a Vampire Cosplay sexytime while Girl has her period Hi Tech for Virtual Reality hentai sex Progressive Psytrance is for a Gangbang in a LGBTQ Club Fullon is for mastrubation to 90s Anime Girls while crying...(because of loneliness) Progressive Trance for playing the game Twister naked(so called Gaytwister) Psybreaks for running through the city on MDMA with a boner
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    i cannot think of a single occasion that wouldn't instantly be better if psytrance was playing. even if there is no special synergy between whatever you're doing and psytrance. that's true for anything. think of it this way, if you fall from a ladder and break your arm it's shit. but if you fall from a ladder while psytrance was playing you can say: it's shit that i broke my arm while falling from a ladder but at least logic bomb was playing
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    Since we're all mostly using Bandcamp here on Psynews, I didn't find any topic where we can share the findings, so after a friend of mine told me yesterday about full-discography by Bluetech for only $5 over at Bandcamp I was thinking about making a topic here where we can share some good findings. I'll leave the Bluetech link here and will continue to share my own findings (in psychedelic trance, chillout, dub styles). Feel free to drop your own name your price / free goodies from Bandcamp Bluetech - https://bluetech.bandcamp.com/
  4. 3 points
    Label: Biijah Records Country: Guatemala Released: 08 Feb 2019 Style: Psy-Trance Bandcamp Tracklist: 1. Ritualtool - RustyBass 08:18 2. Propagul - Alien Seeds 08:44 3. Full Face - Coconutrees 07:00 4. Mubali - Fu, Interrupted 07:26 5. Smuds - Turn A Sphere Inside Out 07:33 6. Ohmpapa - Mutchi Swutchi 08:48 7. Shivattva - Samurai Lifestyle 07:45 8. NoizeBug - Underground Religion 10:37 9. Scope vs PsyVader - Bluemoon 07:54 Biijah Records, although a relatively unknown label from Guatemala, is a long-running imprint that has been releasing some fantastic darkpsy material since 2010. This is the second compilation titled Alien Seeds that gathers some very talented producers that deliver real goods. It takes a lot to make me enjoy darkpsy, as it isn't my favorote branch of psy-trance, but Alien Seeds 2 has some amazing productions and I've eventually decided to write a full track-by-track review. REVIEW 1. Ritualtool - RustyBass 08:18 The opening track of the compilation is quite good. In the first half it plays with some spooky voices, and then switches gears to more traditional psy-tools. What I like about it is that it always stays subdued, which kind of works here pretty well. 4/5 2. Propagul - Alien Seeds 08:44 It takes some time before Propagul puts something edible on the table, but even then this track tends to get a bit dull. I like some of the parts though. 3/5 3. Full Face - Coconutrees 07:00 Here's an unusual number. The track follows an unconventional structure and is in a constant flux. The way its built makes it really interesting, because you never know what's coming next. Usually, I don't like tracks that have no clear path, but in this rare case it works in the favor of the piece. 4/5 4. Mubali - Fu, Interrupted 07:26 "Who the hell is interrupting my Kung Fu?" - the phrase that literally interrupts the track in the middle after a strong start. Then, it sort of rejects everything that it had built and throws everything out the window opting for a different path. The mood changes in the second half, it gets more disturbing, but no less interesting. Mubali is a well-known name in the darkpsy scene, so I'm not suprised to hear another great piece from him. 4/5 5. Smuds - Turn A Sphere Inside Out 07:33 Ooh, love the beats on this one, chunky and metallic. No really, the rhythm drives this whole track, and it's really amazing. The bassline changes throughout as well, and the rest of the track is set up in such a way that it complements the kick and the bass. This is a fascinating piece of psychedelic music. 5/5 6. Ohmpapa - Mutchi Swutchi 08:48 There are glimpses of fun in this track, but not by much. 2/5 7. Shivattva - Samurai Lifestyle 07:45 This track is teasing me with good moments, but never reveals itself entirely for me to enjoy it properly. 2/5 8. NoizeBug - Underground Religion Underground Religion starts with a hindu chant, which reminded me of EU's The Prayer. I'm not sure if it's the same one, but it really sets a certain mood for a track. It gets really freaky by the middle point, and I'm not sure I like everything that I hear. It's a 50/50 for me, so I'll go with the rounded up score on this one. 3/5 9. Scope vs PsyVader - Bluemoon 07:54 The last piece is quite unusual in a good way. the second half sounds especially cool and original with its prominent sound effects and melodic snippets. Overall, a great finisher to a solid compilation. 4/5 --- Alien Seeds 2 is by far the best darkpsy compilation that I've heard recently. It's got tracks with different levels of intensity, and there are some real gems here. Not all the tracks worked for me, but most did and that's more than enough for me. The best piece on the compilation is Smuds "Turn A Sphere Inside Out." I like tracks that work both in your bedroom and on the dancefloor, and that's what Smuds achieves here with excellence. 3.5/5
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    Is Psysex meaningless trance music?
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    Yeah, t-shirts have arrived (and I'm already wearing mine) and I hope next week we will have complete material ready to go up on the Bandcamp.
  12. 2 points
    Katedra - We Are Not Alone (Global Sect Music, 2019) Listen 2 tracks & Pre-orders СD & Merch: https://globalsect.bandcamp.com/album/katedra-we-are-not-alone Human civilization, gradually overcoming the difficulties of evolutionary development, enters a new space age for itself. Very soon we will begin to explore the space of the Solar System and rush beyond its borders towards the Far Worlds. What secrets have a cold and unexplored Cosmos prepared for us? Will we be able to find a new home or make first contact with intelligent life? These questions still have to get answers to our descendants, but already now, looking at the starry sky late at night, in the mind, sometimes, there is a feeling: We are not alone... After several years of creative process, we are pleased to present to you the debut album of Ukrainian musician Ostap Hirnyak. This disc is literally saturated with alien goa-trance vibrations and will send you on an unforgettable space journey to other worlds and life forms. "I am grateful to all the friends who helped and supported me throughout my creative activity." (с) Katedra Tracklist: 01. The MoonShip (mix 2019) 02. First Contact 03. Ring of Fire 04. Nagual 05. You Are Not Alone 06. Alienated Hallucination 07. Radiointerference (mix 2019) 08. The Edge Of Spaces Cover art: Ahankara Art & Andrei Verner Mastering & Mixing: One Day Mastering Studio Release date: 25 march Released by Global Sect Music.
  13. 2 points
    Ultimate Xperience (U.X.) is not a prolific producer. Their original CD was released in 1997 on Dragonfly Records. That CD, "Ultimate Experience", was something above and beyond the bog standards of the time. The Pleiadians also released I.F.O. during that same time. It was an exciting time to be alive, turned on, and plugged into the global psychedelic music scene. U.X.'s "Ultimate Experience" was, and is, such an incredibly powerful album. It has earned its place in a very special category of Goa... sci-fi, gothic, industrial, dark, cyberpunk, hard... that few other artists share. Juno Reactor & Mandra Gora are in this place... It is now March of 2019, and we have now been blessed with Kris Kylven's "magnum opus". The Realm Of A New Dawn is not just another release. This is something to be experienced many times over, with different levels of consciousness. The release is in two parts, Lazarus Rizing & Ad Vitam Aeternam. Disc One : Lazarus Rizing 1. Andromeda. 145 BPM : Opening track of the Lazarus Rising disc. Beautiful, sweeping pads open up a lush soundscape. A voice enters, then the beat. This is UX sound, but much more refined. The mastering is done very well, all of the synths sounds clear, crisp, and beautiful. As the track progresses with more layers and complexity, Kris slides in some of his magic at the 9 minute mark opening the soundspace up even more. Very cool effect. Excellent opening track. 2. Kingdom Of Heaven (Invictus Mix) 145 BPM : Voices open up this one. And then a very aggressive, driving trance explodes. This is sci-fi/gothic Goa done right. There is a mysterious and hauntingly beautiful quality to the way everything is put together, and then we are pulled into space.... with this orchestral sounding section. The build up to the coda is great, everything is on point, another solid track. 3. Across Thee Universe (Space Time Continuum) 145 BPM : The deadly secrets of a place we call, the Universe. There are a lot of haunting voices in this one, a close listen is required to pick up on what is being said. The trance itself is great, the melting synth lines... this is dark music, but absolutely beautiful. Very refined UX. Great track. 4. Lazarus (Sanctum) (Mix XIII) 145 BPM : This track is epic. NOW RISE! 5. High Energy Protons (Deus Ex-Machina Mix) 142 BPM : This is definitely the best remix of High Energy Protons I've ever heard. While it definitely is High Energy Protons, it's brought to a higher level. Nearly 12 minutes long, and none of it dull. Absolutely solid music. 6. Radio-Activity (eXtinction 13) 120 BPM : This is the first downtempo track of the album. It fits very well within this Gothic space opera. Like so many tracks on the album, this one is stellar. 7. Genesis 120 BPM : Back to trance,but with a more gentle tempo. This track has a very optimistic feel, the pads and other synth sounds are sweeping and lush. The lady's voice is most excellent and her message is interesting. The strange rhythms of the trance are so good... Disc Two : Ad Vitam Aeternam 1. Jezebel (From Here To Eternity) 145 BPM : Personal favorite track. This is just... magic for my ears and mind. Very powerful. Dare I say, perfect track? The breakdown, and rise before the coda is pure sorcery. 2. The Night Ceatures (Mix XIII) 147 BPM : Another monster track. Very cinematic. Beautiful voices, electric synth lines driving a pounding trance right through you. 3. Prophecy (Thou Shall Not Fear) 145 BPM : Haunting opening pads, and choir, along with a VERY UXian synth line. It has a wicked sound. There is something Kris Kylven does with synths that I adore... a clear example is from his track "Morphogenesis" (as Syb Unity Nettwerk Experience). A wicked vibration. 4. Temple Of Love 147 BPM : A classic Gothic dance track from the late 80's re-imagined. Kris Kylven's voice has an ethereal quality over the pounding trance, and sounds so close to the original I assumed it was Mr. Eldritch himself singing. Outstanding remix. 5. Blaze Of Glory 157 BPM : Following Temple of Love, this track is just perfect. industrial, Gothic Goa. The guitar is done very tastefully. This is not "Butt Rock" Goa, this is refined. 6. Lux Aeterna 140 BPM : The beat on this one is delicious. All of the voices, the strings... another outstanding track with Middle Eastern sounds throughout. 7. The Ark Of The Convenant 134 BPM : Middle Eastern sounds throughout. Excellent down tempo track that feels like a coda to this most excellent album... but it isn't as that honor goes to Children Of The New Dawn (Farewell). 8. Children Of The New Dawn (Farewell) 64/128 BPM : The album comes to a conclusion with this down tempo piece. Again, we have optimism here, as our journey through the darkness ends in peace. Perfect ending to an incredible album. There is nothing weak here. Every track has something to say, and says it well. Jezebel is my personal choice for "best track", but this is a very close competition. I will listen to this over the weekend with very enhanced ears and provide a more detailed analysis, but as it stands, this is a must buy. It is the perfection of UX, it is a cybernetic, cinematic journey through sci-fi hyperspace. If you're a fan of UX, Juno Reactor, Mandra Gora, Johann Bley, Transwave, Syb Unity Nettwerk, X-Dream... or just really amazing psychedelic soundscapes in general... buy this album. It is the album of the year. After multiple listens, this is my favorite album of all time. The mastering is so good, all of the sounds are in their respective places, everything compliments everything. Damn sexy! Ultimate Xperience did not disappoint in the least. 11/10 Kris Kylven is a genius Buy it here
  14. 2 points
    OH YEAH!!!!!! and YEAH FOR MY CD BUNDLE and oh f#$k yeah i got to wait but YEAH it's gonna arrive eventually what a great YEAH it's been for goa and yeah i know who james is! THANKS JAMES FOR CLEARING THAT ALL UP, JUST ADDED TO THE TALLY!
  15. 2 points
    Already got this one, the art style is just amazing. Hopefully it won't be too hard. (I know, I know: get gud).
  16. 2 points
    I don't even beat off while listening to psytrance..it just doesn't work for me
  17. 2 points
    Obvously answer is make meaning so msuc uyes. No yes.
  18. 2 points
    Most of the Ultimate Xperience's collectors bundles from pre-orders are already on it's way to the new owners. Last few ones will be shipped tomorrow and on Thursday, as well as the standard CD pre-orders. Keep your eyes on your mailboxes where you'll be notified exactly when we ship the items. Now it's time to get back to James Hetfields ''yeahs'' and envelopes. #TuesdayMerchDayWithMetallica
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    UX is definitely the new Juno Reactor ! It's already a lengendary album for me !
  21. 2 points
    On March 3 (yikes, that's tomorrow!) I'll release I released two mostly unheard tracks of mine produced in 2018 as a short EP on my Bandcamp: Get on Bandcamp Both tracks were in a near-done state for the Spectral Flux album, but I felt that they didn't fit the rest really well. The first track, Horus, I would describe as heavily Ra-influenced, even though I only really noticed that while composing the melodies. But indeed, that lead to the name and also cover art . So if you like to think in categories, it would probably fall in the Suntrip-esque "newschool" category, which may be a bit untypical for my sound . Charm may remind you of Wormhole from my album, the vibe is also a bit mysterious but overall happier I'd say. More oldschool-ish sound than Horus, but fitting the overall atmosphere. With this EP, I'd like to close a the second "chapter" of Veasna if you will. I see how the way I compose, arrange and produce music is changing, similar to how it did between the Energy and Spectral Flux releases. So whatever comes in the future may sound somewhat to a lot different, I don't dare to make predictions! Samples: By the way: Those who supported my campaign for the 5ynergy EP and replied to my message will receive a free download code for the EP. Again, many many thanks! It certainly failed because of my lack of advertisement, but the release fell in the major working phase for my master's thesis and I wasn't prepared for a CD release - it was a very spontaneous endeavour after @thanosp81 approached me with the idea. I simply couldn't put the amount of energy in it that I would have liked . Anyway, Kickstarter is extremely sensitive about backer information - which is good. However, that makes it impossible for me to just give an individual key to every backer. I received a few e-mails, but for those who didn't do it, please send me a mail or PM here on the forum!
  22. 2 points
    Ka-Sol first released his tracks in 1998 and imo together with BOTFB are the pioneers of Forest. To my understanding and experience (as I first started to listen to psy in 1998 so I was there when all this subgenres started to appear) is that what we used to call Forest was the sound of BOTFB, Ka-Sol or even Logic Bomb and Hux Flux. It was basically a Goa trance/old school Psytrance derivative. It was mostly after Derango that Forest became more fx driven than full melodic (in spite the fact that Derango tracks still have melodies). Meanwhile Darkpsy was born in 2001-2002 mostly from Acidance records and Parvati first two releases. AFAIK nobody was mentioning Forest when we talked about that. This is why I believe that around 2004-2005 Forest and Darkpsy met and for some became interchangeable, but when it comes to origins they are from different branches. I meant Tales From The Dark Forest from Stoneage records that featured Derango and released in 2003. Then in 2004 they solidified their unique sound together with Dronebixie and others. But again this is to my personal understanding of how things went. After all things like that didn't pop out out of nothing.
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    3 is just impossible... I'll give you 5 in no particular order (except Deviant Electronics, Mr.Walsh takes the cake for me) Deviant Electronics 1. Catharsis 2. Viral Spiral 3. Phenomenon Anon Marcello Bonifacii (so, Ominus/Encens/Aeternum) 1. Ensanity [Aeternum] 2. Spiritual Transgression [Encens] 3. Mindbender [Ominus] Green Nuns of the Revolution 1. Two Vindaloos & An Onion Bhagee (most insane climax ever) 2. Magellanic Cloud (just about as mad as Two Vindaloos) 3. Thunder Thighs/Fire (those two essentially tie for me - Fire is also a mad escalation and Thunder Thighs is the most fun and funky goa track I've heard) Extra I - Psychaos 1. Dense Dawn - no need to say anything... 2. Spatial Distortion - very phat and eeeeevil 3. Science Fiction/S.E.T.I. both are timeless classics, can't just pick one Extra II - Nervasystem 1. Initiation 2. Rotating Rama - that bassline is just....no words 3. Cybermat/Dimension Expansion Nervasystem is just generally great with the long, building tracks
  24. 2 points
    I'll probably pick Target Eye instead of NBK but that's a matter of taste. Shockwave is amazing.
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    Good morning everyone! We are so excited to let you know that we finally released new ULTIMATE XPERIENCE (UX) album - The Realm Of A New Dawn today! You can get full album only at our Bandcamp page, via link below. We would like to thank you all who supported this release during the pre-orders. You should recieve the link to download digital copy of the album, just make sure to check your e-mail inbox (all physical items and CD's from pre-orders will be shipped on March 10th 2019). Expect more great news about this and other releases on our label in the upcoming days and don't forget to have a great and inspiring weekend. Download / buy: https://neogoarecords.bandcamp.com/album/the-realm-of-a-new-dawn
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    Check out Electric Universe. Most of his latest stuff can be found on bandcamp. EU's style is some of the best full-on I've ever heard, and also super energetic. edit: here's his latest production
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    Astral Projection: (any order) -12,000 suns (Iridium) -No one ever dreams -Liquid sun Juno Reactor: (any order) -Zwara -Rotorblade -Pistolero Chi-A.D.: (any order) -Anno Domini -Black light -Eye am the I I'll break the rules! Logic Bomb: (any order): -The third revelation -Shadow of the beast -Secure the orbs Cosmosis: (any order) -Higher access -Howling at the moon -Karma (laughing Buddha)
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    하이. 접니다. AZ NHJO HYENNRO(아즈 노흐즈오 현느로)입니다. Hello peoples. Today I invent new genrestyle GOD TRANCE A->D haha This new genrestlye maybe soon nice popular hehe. GOD TRANCE GOTT TRANCE My friendly friends will make this genrestyle soon haha. www.aznhjohyennro.com www.aznhjohyennrorecords.com 0821097532747
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    Artist: Blue Hue Title: The Mandala Effect Label: Plateau 5 Records Date: January 1, 2019 Tracklist:- 1. Hitting Bowls 2. Positivictricity 3. Cosmic Interference 4. Mind Modem 5. Methamoprh 6. Mandala Effect 7. Dropping Society Ah summer time, where the sun flows through cities like gold, when cool nights are spent dancing under the ruby leaves while drinking iced tea made by the deities and spinning in our summer trappings. Condensation of diamonds forming on the outside of our glasses in while we were still free from the constraints of existence. I remember it so clearly, a better time. I'm certain. The Mandala Effect I can't tell you why this wasn't released by a bigger label than little old Plateau 5. I can't tell you why I haven't heard people talking about Blue Hue. I can tell why that should change right this second. With incredibly well produced lower ends, Driving rhythms, fun melodies and pretty bloody ripper album artwork if I may say so, The Mandala Effect makes for a worthy listen. Hitting Bowls starts the album off in cool style. the tibetan singing bowl sounds sends pure DMT into your head as it fills the space left by the other layers of the song. The melody floating in for the second half creates great energy and allows us to cruise through track. Positivictricity, go on, be honest with yourself, try and say that in one go. Another cruisy track is filled with soft layers that float around your head while the kickdrums pushes the track to it's final message about just being positive dammit! Cosmic Conference, the cosmos, home to all conferences known to life. Any conference ever had will happen right here, in our cosmos. Super clubby atmospheres and rumbles take this track into hyperdrive. The low end is THICK and fills the track with just enough space for the light high notes to sparkle along. The main lead melody could have been given a bit more emphasis but I aint saying i didn't enjoy it. Mind Modem brings us another big track that really blasts off at that 3:40 point. I was drifting through the first half of the track just having a daze then that break came and brought back to dance land. As Simon Cunninghurst would say 'Pretty dope' Methamorph this must be science for 'Absolute aggressive madness'. My favourite of all the extra clubby tracks. Super hot, I know it's true, no Mandala Effect here, just solid memory of a solid song. The Mandala Effect A longer track suggests to me that blue Hue has more ideas that he is willing to work with. And right I am, the main melody is super cool. Still light, but infectious. Dropping Society is the kind of track that starts and makes you think that you know what sort of song you are going to get. But as soon as the other layers start to seep in you quickly become lost in it's funkiness. Mandala Effect is a very very nice piece of art. The amalgamation of styles and techniques works really well here, resulting in more progressive club type tracks while remaining exciting for their entirety. The melodies are all cool, if not occasionally quiet but that's just the style of the album. this will be my next purchase for sure. It would be great to see more work released from Blue Hue. https://plateau5.bandcamp.com/album/the-mandala-effect
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    Shenmue is one of my favourite games, can Yakuza keep up?
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    Bloodborne without hesitation.
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    damn! that's a good show story
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    thanks dude!! I really appreciate it =)
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    Thank you so much for this. U.X.'s sound is incredible. I ordered the CD's a couple days back and have been enjoying the mp3s in the meantime. Absolutely stunning album. Not a weak track in the 15... with JEZEBEL being my absolute favorite of the album. Brilliant work, great art, and a more than worthy successor to 1997's "Ultimate Experience"
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    @Lightforce In my opinion, you should leave out every albums that are somehow hybrids of several genres. Don't forget your guide is aimed at beginners. That's why you should not include KOB - Identity Mash in the forest genre, the tracks you posted (especially Cousin It) have forest influences, but this album is not 100% forest. For me it's barely 20% or 30% forest at best. It is better if you include only albums that are a perfect representation of the genre: Derango - Tumult Dohm - From the dark poetry Shivattva - The tales of Harvia The same way I would not, for example, include Oforia if I want to define what pure Goa trance is, because his style was more robotic than Dimension 5 or Etnica. This way your PDF (and future website) will be more accessible to beginners. Great work!
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    Probably, Lousiana-swamped lovecraftian italo-disco? Herbert.West vs Proxeeus with touch of Joy Peters Trilithon
  39. 1 point
    I'm thinking to myself and trying to figure out how the hell noone's mentioned this gem so far There is so much great crazy goa. (I believed for the longest time the above track was IM's until I realised it doesn't sound Anything like IM)
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    Have you tried artists and releases from Sangoma, Bom Shanka Music, Looney Moon Records? No cheese at all! They are 90% twilight which is most psychedelic and most driving Psychedelic trance style to me and from which I suck inspiration for my Goa Trance
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    I just wanted to chime in and say that I've been quite impressed with how this project has developed over the years. Good job and I wish you much ongoing success! =)
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    Deviant Species - Advent of the Blue Radula --- great night time psy with a theme Captain Hook - Origin --- believe it or not, some nice proggy acid grooves in here Igor Swamp - Akrabadabra --- a strong contender for the Suomi Hall of Fame Nangijala - Fermented Behaviour --- came out of the nowhere, strong emotional Zenon stuff, my favourite 2018 release Juno Reactor and Infected Mushroom --- both releases are typical JR / IM, love 'em or hate 'em Fobi - This is not a test EP --- surprising catch, give this a chance if you're into deep and melodious darkpsy Abraxas (Cosmosis + Quantica) - Inner Worlds --- haven't heard yet, might be great Digital Reprints Releases --- strong work, big respect, unfortunately i was late with Cosmosis' release (any chance to get it somewhere???) Youth & Gaudi --- you can't go wrong with them LSD releases, i also missed the LP version dr trippy - Bhang! --- fun album, self-described as Punjabi Swamp Music, i really like this genre
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    Entry #16 https://www.discogs.com/Artha-Fluori-Dolby/release/2137690 F******* Great Goa Trance.
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    @Manuser Hey man, glad you liked the artwork! When Eylon told me about the EP name and general idea, I just had to go with some crazy ass sword on the artwork. I remember back in the days that I even had some Facebook posts about the artwork making process with pictures, etc. It was fun project for sure
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    yoo final with this piece! enjoy the trip the result a sci fi dnb with futuristic sounds enjoy
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    Mastering is officially done and music is ready to go to pre-orders process. Finally it sounds as it should guys Quote from UX / Ultimate Xperience Facebook:
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    Woah slow down Mr creative, that's gonna require extra work. Probably the direction I'll take eventually. I'm digging your set's though, do you perform?
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    Well, your username gives it away But yeah, I agree. I think it was their best album, at least before they went a bit more commercial.
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